Is it okay for a U.S. christian to own a liquor store?

Bible Highlighter said:

Again, your not getting it. A liquor store does not care who it sells their liquor to (as long as they are of legal age to do so). If it is an alcoholic, they will sell it to them and contribute to their destruction. The store owner does not care if the alcohol gets in the hands of kids. They know that this is going to happen as a result of their business. An adult is going to buy it for them at some point, and give it to kids; And these kids are going to get drunk (Which is a sin), and they can drive drunk and kill others, and they can fornicate more easily, or fall into unwanted fornication, pregnancy, etc.

Good job liquor store owner. You are destroying your community and not loving your neighbor!

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You are the one who isn't getting it. an alcoholic will go anywhere to get his booze. You are trying to say that just because there's a liquor store that someone is going to get drunk just because that store exists. A drunk is gonna get drunk whether or not a Christian owns that store or not. It is YOU who doesn't understand addiction and you are talking as if you do.

1Reformedman said:

I find it interesting you say "Houses are not exclusive to leading others to becoming a wife beater." The same is true for a Christian owning a liquor store in that just because a Christian does own such a store does not automatically mean everyone who walks through that door is an alcoholic nor does it mean that everyone who walks through that door is going to become an alcoholic just because a Christian owns the store.

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Again, that is a misconnect. A house does not lead others to wife beat. There is no connection there. Owning a liquor store is putting it in the hands of the community (that you know is going to lead others to get drunk - which is a sin). A person who owns a liquor store is ALWAYS going to get people drunk in his area by his store. There is not a liquor store on the planet that does not get people drunk. So a liquor store is making his community to sin. Owning a house does not tempt a person to fall into wife beating. There is no connection there. The house does not say.... "beat your wife." There are millions of people who own homes and do not feel influenced to wife beat by their owning a home or house. Yet, we know that those who own a liquor store, the people in the area are going to ALWAYS get drunk by that liquor store. It's a fact. The liquor store owner cannot prevent people from getting drunk. It will ALWAYS happen by the people in general who go to his store.

1Reformedman said:

That is directed to believers NOT unbelievers. You are trying to put a burden on the store owner that isn't his to carry. Its like you're trying to condemn a business owner. Its obvious you dont know that much about addiction or who is to blame for that addiction. You'd rather blame the store owner than the one who does choosing to do the drinking

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Sin destroys all people. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Bible Highlighter said:

Again, that is a misconnect. A house does not lead others to wife beat. There is no connection there. Owning a liquor store is putting it in the hands of the community (that you know is going to lead others to get drunk - which is a sin). A person who owns a liquor store is ALWAYS going to get people drunk in his area by his store. There is not a liquor store on the planet that does not get people drunk. So a liquor store is making his community to sin. Owning a house does not tempt a person to fall into wife beating. There is no connection there. The house does not say.... "beat your wife." There are millions of people who own homes and do not feel influenced to wife beat by their owning a home or house. Yet, we know that those who own a liquor store, the people in the area are going to ALWAYS get drunk by that liquor store. It's a fact. The liquor store owner cannot prevent people from getting drunk. It will ALWAYS happen by the people in general who go to his store.

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Most wife-beaters live in houses. Check the stats.

chevyontheriver said:

You and Paul should still talk.

Your article basically says wine is really grape juice and that if it were actually wine Jesus would have sinned by making wine. It's a hermetically sealed argument that does not allow words to have their normal meaning.

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It is an argument based upon a previously arrived at conclusion rather than one based upon examining the facts or paying attention to what was written before arriving at the conclusion.

John 2:1-10 1On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, 2and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine." 4"Woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied. "My hour has not yet come." 5His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you." 6Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons. 7Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. 8Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, 9and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."

Anyone that reads the Bible without some preconceived idea that wine is not wine would never come to the conclusion that when wine is mentioned in the Bible it actually refers to something other than wine. Jesus was accused of hanging around with drunkards not with people that drank too much grape juice. Did the apostles, after being accused of being drunk, say they only ever drank a thing called wine that was in reality grape juice so they could not ever have been drunk? No, they said it was too early to be drinking so being drunk at that hour was not likely.

Funny how the servant was amazed at the quality of the wine Jesus provided since he was used to the serving of the bad wine after people got drunk so they wouldn't be any the wiser about the quality. I wonder how those people could have gotten drunk on grape juice. Why , if they had not become drunk from drinking too much wine, would they be oblivious to the fact they were being given a beverage of poorer quality? How much grape juice would one need to consume before not noticing the next glass was not as good as the previous one?

Bible Highlighter said:

That would be like a person owning a strip club or a DVD inappropriate content shop. It's not the owner's fault if people go to his shop he provides so as to lead them into sin? Yeah, okay.

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You are the one trying to blame the store owner instead of the one who wilfully goes to a store and buys the alcohol that he then consumes willfully. You continually show you know little if anything about addiction. An addict will go wherever he needs to go to get the substance he plans on abusing. There is nothing in the bible that says Drinking alcohol is wrong. Drinking to excess is biblically wrong. Notice its the excessive consumption not the consumption of alcohol itself that is wrong biblically. Notice nothing in the bible says Don't own a liquor store. There were winemakers back in Jesus' day. Heck, at the wedding at Capernaum he made the best (tasting and likely most potent) wine last.

jimmyjimmy said:

Most wife-beaters live in houses. Check the stats.

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Again, there is no correlation or connection between owning a house and wife beating. That would be like saying that the reason why people wife beat is because they breath oxygen. The house does not tempt people to wife beat. The house does not say to people, "Hey, beat your wife!" Millions of home owners have never admitted to saying that the reason why they wife beat is because they owned a home. Such an argument does not compute.

Bible Highlighter said:

Again, that is a misconnect. A house does not lead others to wife beat. There is no connection there. Owning a liquor store is putting it in the hands of the community (that you know is going to lead others to get drunk - which is a sin). A person who owns a liquor store is ALWAYS going to get people drunk in his area by his store. There is not a liquor store on the planet that does not get people drunk. So a liquor store is making his community to sin. Owning a house does not tempt a person to fall into wife beating. There is no connection there. The house does not say.... "beat your wife." There are millions of people who own homes and do not feel influenced to wife beat by their owning a home or house. Yet, we know that those who own a liquor store, the people in the area are going to ALWAYS get drunk by that liquor store. It's a fact. The liquor store owner cannot prevent people from getting drunk. It will ALWAYS happen by the people in general who go to his store.

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a liquor store owner doesn't make anyone come into his store and purchase alcohol and then force that person to drink to excess. You proved just now you dont know anything about addiction. Alcohol is found in grocery stores, gas stations, liquor stores, walmart, Sams club, and many other places. Your assertion is utterly misplaced and unbiblical, IMO.

Bible Highlighter said:

Sin destroys all people. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

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2 Peter 3:9 is not a salvation passage its a verse in a passage about the 2nd coming of Jesus.

grasping the after wind said:

It is an argument based upon a previously arrived at conclusion rather than one based upon examining the facts or paying attention to what was written before arriving at the conclusion.

John 2:1-10 1On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, 2and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine." 4"Woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied. "My hour has not yet come." 5His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you." 6Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons. 7Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. 8Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, 9and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."

Anyone that reads the Bible without some preconceived idea that wine is not wine would never come to the conclusion that when wine is mentioned in the Bible it actually refers to something other than wine. Jesus was accused of hanging around with drunkards not with people that drank too much grape juice. Did the apostles, after being accused of being drunk, say they only ever drank a thing called wine that was in reality grape juice so they could not ever have been drunk? No, they said it was too early to be drinking so being drunk at that hour was not likely.

Funny how the servant was amazed at the quality of the wine Jesus provided since he was used to the serving of the bad wine after people got drunk so they wouldn't be any the wiser about the quality. I wonder how those people could have gotten drunk on grape juice. Why , if they had not become drunk from drinking too much wine, would they be oblivious to the fact they were being given a beverage of poorer quality? How much grape juice would one need to consume before not noticing the next glass was not as good as the previous one?

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Read this CF thread here:

The Bible and Older Dictionaries say that 'wine" is also grape juice.

Bible Highlighter said:

Again, there is no correlation or connection between owning a house and wife beating. That would be like saying that the reason why people wife beat is because they breath oxygen. The house does not tempt people to wife beat. The house does not say to people, "Hey, beat your wife!" Millions of home owners have never admitted to saying that the reason why they wife beat is because they owned a home. Such an argument does not compute.

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The liquor store owner doesn't say "Go drink in excess" either. You just dont see how wrong your assertion is about owning a liquor store.

1Reformedman said:

a liquor store owner doesn't make anyone come into his store and purchase alcohol and then force that person to drink to excess. You proved just now you dont know anything about addiction. Alcohol is found in grocery stores, gas stations, liquor stores, walmart, Sams club, and many other places. Your assertion is utterly misplaced and unbiblical, IMO.

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Again, it is no different than owning a DVD inappropriate content shop. The owner is not forcing people to fornicate by his DVD's but he knows that they will do so. The same is true with a liquor store owner. He does not force them to get drunk, he does not have to, he knows the liquor he will sell lead many in his community to get drunk as a matter of fact. Drunkenness is a sin that cause people to not inherit the kingdom of God.

Bible Highlighter said:

Read this CF thread here:

The Bible and Older Dictionaries say that 'wine" is also grape juice.

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Yes, wine does at times mean grape juice but at other times it doesn't and its you who is missing the point. The drinker is to blame for his exessive drinking not the liquor store owner.

Bible Highlighter said:

Again, it is no different than owning a DVD inappropriate content shop. The owner is not forcing people to fornicate by his DVD's but he knows that they will do so. The same is true with a liquor store owner. He does not force them to get drunk, he does not have to, he knows the liquor he will sell lead many in his community to get drunk as a matter of fact. Drunkenness is a sin that cause people to not inherit the kingdom of God.

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again youre conflating and showing You dont know spit about addictions

1Reformedman said:

The liquor store owner doesn't say "Go drink in excess" either. You just dont see how wrong your assertion is about owning a liquor store.

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It doesn't matter what he tells them. He knows the people in his community WILL EVENTUALLY GET DRUNK as a matter of fact! There is not one liquor store owner whose liquor does not get people drunk in his area. If a Christian owned something that could lead people into sin, why would they want others to go to hell by their store?

1Reformedman said:

Yes, wine does at times mean grape juice but at other times it doesn't and its you who is missing the point. The drinker is to blame for his exessive drinking not the liquor store owner.

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While a person is ultimately responsible for their own sin, a person can lead others into sin, as well.
This is what the DVD inappropriate content shop owner and liquor store owner have in common.

Bible Highlighter said:

Again, that is a misconnect. A house does not lead others to wife beat. There is no connection there. Owning a liquor store is putting it in the hands of the community (that you know is going to lead others to get drunk - which is a sin). A person who owns a liquor store is ALWAYS going to get people drunk in his area by his store. There is not a liquor store on the planet that does not get people drunk. So a liquor store is making his community to sin. Owning a house does not tempt a person to fall into wife beating. There is no connection there. The house does not say.... "beat your wife." There are millions of people who own homes and do not feel influenced to wife beat by their owning a home or house.

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YOu said, "Yet, we know that those who own a liquor store, the people in the area are going to ALWAYS get drunk by that liquor store. It's a fact. The liquor store owner cannot prevent people from getting drunk. It will ALWAYS happen by the people in general who go to his store. ."

That entire comment is a continuous series of BASELeSS ASSERTIONS!!! A claim to fact without any facts being presented. Your opinion isnt a fact .

1Reformedman said:

Yes, wine does at times mean grape juice but at other times it doesn't and its you who is missing the point. The drinker is to blame for his exessive drinking not the liquor store owner.

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If you owned guns, and sold one of your to another people legally.....and that person went and killed someone with it......Would you really feel absolutely nothing concerning your part in it? Im not talking about any blame......but anything more than just remorse for the death of a soul?.......like a desire to not have the device you sold, be used in a murder?

1Reformedman said:

YOu said, "Yet, we know that those who own a liquor store, the people in the area are going to ALWAYS get drunk by that liquor store. It's a fact. The liquor store owner cannot prevent people from getting drunk. It will ALWAYS happen by the people in general who go to his store. ."

That entire comment is a continuous series of BASELeSS ASSERTIONS!!! A claim to fact without any facts being presented. Your opinion isnt a fact .

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So you honestly believe that there is a liquor store out there in the US that does not result in people getting drunk off the liquor they sell over the many years they were in business? I find that hard to believe. That would be like saying no man who went into a DVD inappropriate content shop did not fornicate in his mind as a result of the DVD inappropriate content shop owner. It's ridiculous to say so otherwise.

Bible Highlighter said:

It doesn't matter what he tells them. He knows the people in his community WILL EVENTUALLY GET DRUNK as a matter of fact! There is not one liquor store owner whose liquor does not get people drunk in his area. If a Christian owned something that could lead people into sin, why would they want others to go to hell by their store?

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You claim matter of fact and that is nothing more than a straw man argument. You cant prove that is an alleged fact. I am the only person in my family to ever become an alcoholic. All of my family members visited the same liquor store for a period of over 45 years and yet Im the only one who chose to become an addict. You are speaking about something you know nothing about. That much is apparent. You're making yourself look really under-educated here. You should digress to those who actually know about this subject.