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Yes, I do assume, as you pointed out, that Abel did know the purpose of the sacrifice was to represent the coming Lamb of God.

I have seen extreme examples of such assumptions in others.

The most extreme so far was when I actually heard someone claim that, when David's first son born to Bathsheba was killed by God, David actually knew that that son represented Jesus as the son of God that died to take away his sin of adultery.
 
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I have seen extreme examples of such assumptions in others.

The most extreme so far was when I actually heard someone claim that, when David's first son born to Bathsheba was killed by God, David actually knew that that son represented Jesus as the son of God that died to take away his sin of adultery.
The most extreme assumptions I've seen here come from the Universalists.

The rules of interpretation do not apply to them. They see no need for context reading.
 
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There are not two different gospels, such a blasphemy has not place in the Bible, and should be rejected by the church no matter their end times views.

There is only one gospel, the gospel of Christ crucified for our sins, and salvation by grace through face and not through any of our works.

If anyone teaches any other gospel, they are preaching a false gospel, and are condemned.
 
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There are not two different gospels, such a blasphemy has not place in the Bible, and should be rejected by the church no matter their end times views.

There is only one gospel, the gospel of Christ crucified for our sins, and salvation by grace through face and not through any of our works.

If anyone teaches any other gospel, they are preaching a false gospel, and are condemned.

Luke 9:6
And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

What is the gospel that the 12 were preaching everywhere here?
 
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Luke 9:6
And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

What is the gospel that the 12 were preaching everywhere here?
Look at the context. Luke 8:1, Jesus preached the good news of the Kingdom of God. Luke 4:43, Jesus preached the good news of the Kingdom of God. Luke 5:32, "I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."

If anyone is trying to say that this gospel of the Kingdom of God somehow involves works salvation, then they should get this one great truth firmly fixed in their minds--if our salvation depends in any way on our works, we are doomed for Hell, because all of our works are filth, soiled in our sins; selfishness, greed, self-righteousness, pride, and all the other sins man leans toward.

There is no contradiction between Jesus and Paul.
 
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Look at the context. Luke 8:1, Jesus preached the good news of the Kingdom of God. Luke 4:43, Jesus preached the good news of the Kingdom of God. Luke 5:32, "I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."

If anyone is trying to say that this gospel of the Kingdom of God somehow involves works salvation, then they should get this one great truth firmly fixed in their minds--if our salvation depends in any way on our works, we are doomed for Hell, because all of our works are filth, soiled in our sins; selfishness, greed, self-righteousness, pride, and all the other sins man leans toward.

There is no contradiction between Jesus and Paul.

I am not saying that there is a contradiction.

I am just trying to show you that what you stated "There are not two different gospels, such a blasphemy has not place in the Bible" is silly.

Because its IN the bible that there were various good news, in the past, other than just "the gospel of Christ crucified for our sins, and salvation by grace through face and not through any of our works."

Think of gospel as "good news", and you will understand that.
 
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I am not saying that there is a contradiction.

I am just trying to show you that what you stated "There are not two different gospels, such a blasphemy has not place in the Bible" is silly.

Because its IN the bible that there were various good news, in the past, other than just "the gospel of Christ crucified for our sins, and salvation by grace through face and not through any of our works."

Think of gospel as "good news", and you will understand that.
What we have is an incomplete understandings of the gospel by people before Christ or during his life. Abraham did not have complete understanding of Christ's life and death, but God preached the gospel to him, "In you all the families of the world will be blessed". And Abraham was justified by faith, not by works, "Abraham believed God, and it counted as righteousness".

The same could be said of others before Christ, Hebrews 11:39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.

They were promised, and believed the promises, but we now have the promises fulfilled, we have the "something better" they did not yet have.

What I wrote was true, not silly. You will not find any true gospel in the Bible except the gospel of faith in Christ.
 
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Greetings to All:

This Mystery topic is dedicated to building a strong doctrinal foundation by carefully examining the differences between the Gospel of the Kingdom; and our Word of the Cross gospel message for today. God gathers members to the Kingdom Bride; (John 3:29) through the first gospel described below and members to the Mystery Body of Christ; through Paul’s Gospel #2 below.
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This is NOT our gospel for today. Nobody has been saved by this Gospel message for almost 2000 years.
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I. Gospel of the Kingdom (Matt. 4:23, 9:35, 24:14, Acts 8:12). Gospel to the Circumcised. Galatians 2:7.

1. The good news that the kingdom of heaven is at hand; (Matthew 3:2, Matthew 4:17, Matthew 10:7). i.e., preaching the kingdom; Acts 20:25.
2. According to Prophecy; seen by the OT Prophets. Isaiah 40:3, Malachi 3:1.
3. Obtain eternal life by keeping the commandments. Matthew 19:16-17.
4. Water baptism (during confession) for the forgiveness of sins; Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38. (John’s Baptism; Acts 19:3; name of the Father; John 1:6, 33, Matthew 28:19.)
5. Baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus; (Acts 8:16, Acts 19:5),name of the Son; (Matthew 28:19 = my CF.com Baptisms Thread)
6. Receive the Spirit through the baptism in the name of the Holy Spirit; (Matthew 28:19) through the laying of hands (Acts 8:17, Acts 19:6).
7. Justified by works and not by faith alone; James 2:20-24.
8. Kingdom disciples are under Mosaic Law (Matthew 5:18, James 2:10).
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This is our gospel for today that many believe is the only gospel of the New Testament with inclusions from Gospel #1. This gospel message was revealed to Paul (Gal. 1:11+12) AFTER his conversion in Acts 9. Note that Christ preached the Gospel of God; in Mark 1:14-15, which is gospel #1 above.
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II. Paul’s my gospel; (Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25, etc.). Gospel to the Uncircumcised. Galatians 2:7.

1. The Gospel of the Grace of God. Acts 20:24.
2. According to the revelation of the Mystery; NOT seen by the OT prophets. Romans 16:25.
3. Saved by God’s grace through faith APART from works. Ephesians 2:8-9.
4. Sins forgiven through the redemption IN Christ (Romans 3:24) and His shed blood (Ephesians 1:7).
5. Our one baptism (Ephesians 4:5) is done by the one Spirit; (Ephesians 4:4) into the one body; (1Corinthians 12:13), which is into Christ’s body; 1Corinthians 12:27.
6. We receive the Spirit when hearing (Romans 10:17*) and believing (Ephesians 1:13-14) Paul’s Gospel by hearing with faith; Galatians 3:2.
7. We are justified by faith apart from works. Romans 4:4-6.
8. We are under grace and not under law. Romans 6:14.

The two-gospels hypothesis says that God sent John the Baptist, Jesus Christ and the Twelve in three separate ministries to preach the “Gospel of the Kingdom” starting with John the Baptist who came first as Elijah (Matt. 11:14) to fulfill OT prophecy (Mal. 3:1+, 4:5-6). John the Baptist received the Holy Spirit while in his mother’s womb (Luke 1:15) by way of his father Zacharias who was chosen “by lot” (Luke 1:9) to go behind the second veil on the Day of Atonement. Jesus Christ took the Holy Spirit baton from John the Baptist in the Jordan River (Matt. 3:1+), when Christ began to “increase” and John “decreased.” John 3:29-30. Jesus Christ preached the “Gospel of the Kingdom” far and wide to pass the Holy Spirit (Helper) baton to the Disciples on the Day of Pentecost, after making the plan known, saying:

“But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.” John 16:7-11.​
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The left side of the color-coded Prophecy / Mystery Timeline finds “John the Baptist” (Elijah) stepping through the “Second Veil” that separates the Old Testament as the “Holy of Holies” of God’s Living Word. John preaches the Gospel of the Kingdom in the Father’s ministry followed by Jesus Christ doing the same thing under the Son’s ministry. Christ must leave to begin the Book of Acts (Acts 1:9-11), so that He could then send the Helper (Holy Spirit) back to begin preaching the “good news about the kingdom of God” (Acts 8:12) under the Ministry of the Holy Spirit. Israel allowed John the Baptist to die in prison (Matt. 14:10) and Israel demanded Christ’s crucifixion (Matt. 27:22-23), but Israel would murder Stephen (name means “Crown”) using their own hands (Acts 7:54-60) to commit the “transgression” (Rom. 11:11) that Christ warned about concerning the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 12:30-32).

The Apostle Paul (Saul) was raised up in response to Steven’s murder and saved by God’s grace through faith apart from works on the road to Damascus in Acts 9 to become a “chosen instrument of Mine” (Acts 9:15) to be given our gospel for today (Gospel of the Grace of God) via “a revelation of Jesus Christ:”

“For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.” Galatians 1:11-12.​

God tricked Satan into killing Jesus Christ by offering the “Gospel of the Kingdom” to Israel and Jesus Christ as the King. Satan stopped the kingdom from becoming a reality 2000 years ago, but God’s Plan all along kept hidden “in” Him was to raise Jesus Christ from the dead “and” us with Him part of the “Mystery of Christ” taught exclusively in the Pauline Epistles to the Gentiles. Do you see just one good news message preached in the New Testament, or do you see two? Good luck in the debate. Blessings, Terral

In the light of some of the wild and weird theories floating around out there, it is important that we address some key issues:

· How many different types of salvation are there in Scripture?
· How many different Saviors are there in Scripture?
· How many different peoples of God are there in Scripture?

Essentially, what we need to establish is: does God have two or more separate peoples that are saved in two distinct ways or does He have one unitary chosen people going back to the beginning of time that are saved by faith in Christ?

The answer to each of these questions is a very definite “one.”

The mistake many people make in regard to this subject is that they attribute to the natural what pertains exclusively to the spiritual. They totally misunderstand the heart of God and the global focus of His plan of redemption for mankind from the beginning. First, man has never in history been saved on the grounds of his race, some supposed innate qualities he possesses or any religious efforts; it has always been by grace through faith.

The sound Bible student will know that mere natural birth has never been sufficient to secure one’s salvation or favor with God. We see this both in the Old and the New Testament.
 
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No as Paul taught in Galatians the law was only valid till faith came. Now that faith came Israel no longer needed the schoolmaster (the law). The dispensation of the Mystery was that jew and Gentile werein one body equally. But that is not the gospel- that brings Jew and Gentile into one body.

He was not talking about OT/NT, but rather unsaved/saved. Man – in all generations – inherited Adam’s awful sinful nature, which ultimately separates him from a holy God. We are born rebels against God and His plan and purpose for our lives. This is crystal clear for those who do not have to impose their private interpretation upon the sacred pages. The Old Testament saints could no more save themselves or change themselves than those in the New Testament.

Without the enablement of the Spirit of God, the unsaved in the old economy were dead in sin. They had no capability of changing themselves. Man’s mind and heart were corrupted by sin. They were deaf to the voice of God. They were blind to God’s truth. They were ignorant to spiritual matters. Man’s nature from Adam and Eve has been to run from God. He is seen doing that throughout the Old Testament.
 
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What we have is an incomplete understandings of the gospel by people before Christ or during his life. Abraham did not have complete understanding of Christ's life and death, but God preached the gospel to him, "In you all the families of the world will be blessed". And Abraham was justified by faith, not by works, "Abraham believed God, and it counted as righteousness".

The same could be said of others before Christ, Hebrews 11:39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.

They were promised, and believed the promises, but we now have the promises fulfilled, we have the "something better" they did not yet have.

What I wrote was true, not silly. You will not find any true gospel in the Bible except the gospel of faith in Christ.

abraham was preached the good news but that good news content is not what you have stated.

read genesis 12, 15 and 17 for the actual content of that good news.
 
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abraham was preached the good news but that good news content is not what you have stated.

read genesis 12, 15 and 17 for the actual content of that good news.

Not so! I think a lot of people have got confused with this subject of true Israel over the years because they fail to recognize the centrality of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Many get tangled up in the activities of national Israel, old covenant rituals, laws, locations and traditions and fail to see that these only served as temporary pointers to the coming of the Messiah and the introduction of the new covenant. All of the old covenant promises and covenants find their fulfillment in the person of Jesus Christ. He is the realization of every single Old Testament type.

Jesus was not a stranger to the Old Testament saint. Jesus explicitly confirmed: “Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad” (John 8:56). The great patriarch and father of the faith looked expectantly for Jesus. He saw Christ’s coming with the eyes of faith. Jesus is written all over the old covenant narrative.

Moses is another that is said to be looking for Jesus by faith. Hebrews 11:23-26 says, “By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.”

The Bible is indeed one single Book telling one single story about one central character: Jesus Christ. The Old Testament prepares the way for Christ and points the ancient believers in the direction of Him. The New Testament on the other hand is the realization, arrival and revelation of the Messiah.
 
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He was not talking about OT/NT, but rather unsaved/saved. Man – in all generations – inherited Adam’s awful sinful nature, which ultimately separates him from a holy God. We are born rebels against God and His plan and purpose for our lives. This is crystal clear for those who do not have to impose their private interpretation upon the sacred pages. The Old Testament saints could no more save themselves or change themselves than those in the New Testament.

Without the enablement of the Spirit of God, the unsaved in the old economy were dead in sin. They had no capability of changing themselves. Man’s mind and heart were corrupted by sin. They were deaf to the voice of God. They were blind to God’s truth. They were ignorant to spiritual matters. Man’s nature from Adam and Eve has been to run from God. He is seen doing that throughout the Old Testament.

Very true!

But OT saints were saved by grace through faith and that not of themselves. As it is written, Jesus is the lamb slain from the creation of the earth! OT saints were saved just as we- by grace! The object of their faith was different in differing dispensations- but all had to place their confidence in God who saves!
 
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Very true!

But OT saints were saved by grace through faith and that not of themselves. As it is written, Jesus is the lamb slain from the creation of the earth! OT saints were saved just as we- by grace! The object of their faith was different in differing dispensations- but all had to place their confidence in God who saves!

I agree!
 
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Not so! I think a lot of people have got confused with this subject of true Israel over the years because they fail to recognize the centrality of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Many get tangled up in the activities of national Israel, old covenant rituals, laws, locations and traditions and fail to see that these only served as temporary pointers to the coming of the Messiah and the introduction of the new covenant. All of the old covenant promises and covenants find their fulfillment in the person of Jesus Christ. He is the realization of every single Old Testament type.

Jesus was not a stranger to the Old Testament saint. Jesus explicitly confirmed: “Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad” (John 8:56). The great patriarch and father of the faith looked expectantly for Jesus. He saw Christ’s coming with the eyes of faith. Jesus is written all over the old covenant narrative.

Moses is another that is said to be looking for Jesus by faith. Hebrews 11:23-26 says, “By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.”

The Bible is indeed one single Book telling one single story about one central character: Jesus Christ. The Old Testament prepares the way for Christ and points the ancient believers in the direction of Him. The New Testament on the other hand is the realization, arrival and revelation of the Messiah.

Its true indeed that Jesus was all over the OT, but if you want to insist that all the OT saints also understood that during their times on Earth, as you did, (1 Peter 1:10-12), well, no one can stop you from reading into scripture.
 
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Hi Notreligus:

I'm not going to try to keep up with Terral and his endless cut and paste material and endless supply of charts.... [snip]

Please forgive, but nothing in your post addresses one thing presented in the OP of this thread leaving every word standing by default.

Blessings,

Terral
 
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Hi Dan (and Notreligius):

Thank you for writing. You wrote saying,

Hi and I see that you quoted Gen 3:21 and since you repudiate DISPSATIONALISM , can you present what Gen 3:21 really means ?

dan p

Adam and Eve's experiences from Genesis 2:7 through Genesis 3:20 take place in "heaven" near where the Lamb (Lord God) is standing in the "center of the throne" in Revelation 7:17. Genesis 3:21 marks the beginning of Adam and Eve's most recent incarnation in human skins, which made procreation possible to begin Genesis 4. BTW, Notreligius confuses me as being a Dispensationalist which is not the case. I come here to debate with Dispy's who at least see that God deals with members of different dispensations-households in different ways.

Blessings,

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Hi Nolidad:

Thank you for writing on the Two Gospels topic. You wrote

You are absolutely correct in that there are two gospels. during the first part of Jesus' life- He told the disciples to go out and preach the gospel of the Kingdom (repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand). This was the legitimate offer of the long promised and prophesied kingdom to Israel! the leadership rejected it in Matt. 12 by committing the unpardonable sin and Jesus withdrew the kingdom offer for a future generation.

Amen. Congratulations for seeing the Gospel of the Kingdom "and" the Gospel of the Grace of God preached only after God raised Christ from the dead. Seeing the differences is the only way to ensure the doctrinal precepts are not mixed together creating a good news message that God sent to nobody.

Blessings,

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Hi Nolidad:

Thank you for writing on the Two Gospels topic. You wrote



Amen. Congratulations for seeing the Gospel of the Kingdom "and" the Gospel of the Grace of God preached only after God raised Christ from the dead. Seeing the differences is the only way to ensure the doctrinal precepts are not mixed together creating a good news message that God sent to nobody.

Blessings,

Terral

Amen!

Too often people see a word like "gospel" and assume that every time the word appears it has to refer to the same thing all the time!

We know it is not true and that there are many different "good news" that we speak of!

I find it interesting that the gospel of the kingdom coupled with the gospel of grace or salvation will be coupled together and preached during the tribulation era! For once again the messengers are fully aware that Jesus is soon to return and establish His kingdom here on earth!
 
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Amen!

Too often people see a word like "gospel" and assume that every time the word appears it has to refer to the same thing all the time!

We know it is not true and that there are many different "good news" that we speak of!

I find it interesting that the gospel of the kingdom coupled with the gospel of grace or salvation will be coupled together and preached during the tribulation era! For once again the messengers are fully aware that Jesus is soon to return and establish His kingdom here on earth!

It is fine-and-dandy stating this, but where is your Scripture? Show us Scripture that teaches (1) a rapture of the Church, (2) immediately followed by a literal seven-year tribulation, (3) immediately followed by a further Coming of Christ? Well, we live in a day where people just swallow what they are taught! They do not search it out for themselves.
 
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Hi Nolidad:

Thank you for writing on the Two Gospels of the NT topic. You wrote:

No as Paul taught in Galatians the law was only valid till faith came. Now that faith came Israel no longer needed the schoolmaster (the law).
We definitely disagree. Those obeying our Gospel of the Grace of God receive the "faith of Jesus" (Rom. 3:26) to represent those to whom "faith has come." This is "dispensational truth" for members of Christ's Body saved by God's grace through faith apart from works. However, Israel of the flesh and the Kingdom Bride (Peter, John, James, etc.) remain very much under Mosaic Law, as Christ teaches in Matthew 5:17-19 and as James teaches in James 2:10.

The dispensation of the Mystery was that jew and Gentile werein one body equally. But that is not the gospel- that brings Jew and Gentile into one body.

Perhaps you are referencing the "administration of the mystery" (Eph. 3:9) concerning the "dispensation/stewardship of God's grace" from Ephesians 3:2. The key here is that Gentiles 'and' Jews obeying our gospel are members of Christ's body and are not under law but under grace. Romans 6:14. Unbelieving Jews remain very much under Mosaic Law, while Gentiles "who do not have the Law" (Rom. 2:13-14) and just not members of Christ's Body like those obeying our gospel.

Blessings,

Terral
 
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