Sorry Ted but I don’t remember where my comments addressed Senator Graham.Hi RLH
JUst a note to add to one of your posts:
Can we really trust Sen. Graham to be telling us some truth? I don't think there is anyone who has proven themselves to be more 'of two minds' than Sen. Graham. So, the question still remains and to date, Sen Graham has not answered: Was he telling the truth to us when he proclaimed Donald Trump to be a race-baiting, bigot whose nomination would effectively destroy the Republican party? Or is he telling us the truth now about 'who' Donald Trump is?
Personally, I have a hard time knowing when he might be telling me something that he really believes to be true, or trying to sell me some party line that he knows he has to say in order to ingratiate himself with the President. For me, Sen. Graham is the epitome of a politician who would sell his soul to any position so long as he believes it would ensure him another term in office.
How do we know? It's the same question asked in pretty much every legal trial where someone has changed their testimony. How do we know which testimony, of the two that you've given, is the truth? After that, now that we know that the person will lie to us, knowing that one of the two testimonies is not the truth. How do we then know, in future testimony, that anything else they say would be the truth? For me, Sen. Graham has clearly shown himself to be a man without particularly strong convictions. That he seems clearly ok with telling people what he believes they want to hear for his own benefit, despite any truth that may be involved. Personally, I'm hoping that he and President Trump both leave Washington on the same train. They are the swamp! They are the consummate politicians bought by lobbyists to tell us what's in their best interests, over and above any truth.
The swamp will have been drained when our legislature restores the nation with some assurance that the politicians who claim to speak for the majority of their electorate...really do. When we outlaw lobbyists offering similar quid pro quos as to what President Trump has made. An 'I'll do this for you if you'll do that for me' arrangement exists between many of our legislators and the 'special interest groups' that have their ear. That form of governance has now made it all the way to the top of our government and it's pretty blatant. For me, President Trump has not drained the swamp, but has rather dug out more solid earth to allow the swamp to grow larger.
Draining the swamp is just another of his many failed campaign planks. Along with replacing the ACA with a better and less expensive healthcare system. Paying off the national debt in 8 years. Building his 'great wall of Trump'. Enact term limits for Congress. Invest in infrastructure.
God bless,
In Christ, ted
I won’t address Robertson as I don’t know much about his ministry and former comments.It's that way for other conservative leaders who also loyally support Trump, like Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and Jerry Farwell, Jr. Hypocritical double standards have become the norm.
James Dobson condemning Bill Clinton for his sexual scandals and adultery, "Character does matter. You can't run a family, let alone a country without it. How foolish to believe that a person who lacks honesty and moral integrity is qualified to lead a nation and the world." (Source)
James Dobson endorsing Donald Trump: "I’m not under any illusions that he is an outstanding moral example. It’s a cliché but true: We are electing a commander-in-chief, not a theologian-in-chief.” Source: I’m an evangelical. The religious right leaders who support Trump don’t speak for me.
Here is another example: The televangelist Pat Robertson once called Clinton a "debauched, debased, and defamed" politician who turned the Oval Office into a "playpen for the sexual freedom of the poster child of the 1960s." It’s difficult to understand how Robertson could tell Trump recently, “You inspire us all.” - Article excerpt from: Trump-Loving Christians Owe Bill Clinton an Apology
On the above? Everyone one of our elected members of Congress both House and Senate (maybe not the freshmen yet) has changed positions throughout the years. Everyone of the Democrats in the House said the exact opposite about impeachment in 1998 but favor it now under the conditions they said we should not back in 1998. So not many hands are clean on this.Can we really trust Sen. Graham to be telling us some truth? I don't think there is anyone who has proven themselves to be more 'of two minds' than Sen. Graham. So, the question still remains and to date, Sen Graham has not answered: Was he telling the truth to us when he proclaimed Donald Trump to be a race-baiting, bigot whose nomination would effectively destroy the Republican party? Or is he telling us the truth now about 'who' Donald Trump is?
77% of Evangelicals supported Donald Trump in 2016. The other 23% work at Christianity Today.OP: LOLOL
So he does ask for forgiveness as part of his church liturgy.
As we measure it out it will be measured out to us.
On the above? Everyone one of our elected members of Congress both House and Senate (maybe not the freshmen yet) has changed positions throughout the years.
Hi RLH,Sorry Ted but I don’t remember where my comments addressed Senator Graham.
Edit: or was your intent to expand the conversation?
Pastor Bob Dylan?
Communion for all Christian churches even the Roman Catholic Church is a time of repentance and seeking God’s Grace. Trump is not Catholic but does attend a church which is liturgical. Which means there is a calling of repentance before receiving communion.If you think communion is "asking for forgiveness", we've located the problem.
No problem Bro but he did indeed change his tune about the time of the Kavanaugh hearings.Hi RLH,
Oops on me. I mixed up my Grahams.
God bless,
In Christ, ted
Good quote.Dylan became a Christian in1978; this is a reference to Joshua 24:15
And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
77% of Evangelicals supported Donald Trump in 2016.
The other 23% work at Christianity Today.
Evangelicals were the lowest population group to vote for Trump. Yes 80% percent is huge but a smaller piece of the pie. In fact Trump got a lower share than did Romney, McCain and Bush. He only surpassed Dole.Actually, 78% supported him then. By March 2019, evangelical support for Trump fell to 69%, a nine-point drop. And that matters, because it's the only religious group that has a majority favoring Trump.
Evangelical approval of Trump remains high, but other religious groups are less supportive
The Evangelical vote we speak of is 10 million strong and only 7% of voting US citizens.Twenty-four million people work at Christianity Today?
The real story in 2016 was the huge swing in Notional Christians in the last three months before the election. This group does not identify as being Evangelical nor “born again” and do not frequently attend church. It has been a lock step surety for Democrats since Clinton won them over in 1992 and grew in 1996.
Don’t think Barna looks at it like that. The group identifies as Christian and goes to church.Aren't they also known as Nominal Christians or CINO?
Don’t think Barna looks at it like that. The group identifies as Christian and goes to church.