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Lost4words · Dec 20, 2019

keras said:
As Daniel 12:4b says:.... knowledge will be increased.
We do know much more about our world and the universe and with the benefit of hindsight, we can discern what the prophets are telling us about God's plans for our future.

Your unsupported opinions display a closed mind. We are told to study the prophesies and they will enlighten our minds. 2 Peter 1:19

Maybe you over study them and interpret them wrongly.

Duke Nukem · Dec 20, 2019

Peter was wrong. Actually he was wrong quite a few times. Once Paul had to straiten him out and also God had to set him straight on certain matters.
Peter once said that scoffers would come in the last days , he said this because scoffers were scoffing at him THEN because he believed the last days were THEN.

claninja · Dec 20, 2019

Duke Nukem said:
Peter was wrong. Actually he was wrong quite a few times. Once Paul had to straiten him out and also God had to set him straight on certain matters.
Peter once said that scoffers would come in the last days , he said this because scoffers were scoffing at him THEN because he believed the last days were THEN.

Was Paul also wrong?

1 corinthians 10:11 Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.

Was John wrong?

1 john 2:18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.

Was James wrong?
James 5:8-9 You too, be patient and strengthen your hearts, because the Lord’s coming is near. Do not complain about one another, brothers, so that you will not be judged. Look, the Judge is standing at the door!

keras · Dec 25, 2019

claninja said:
Was Paul also wrong?

1 corinthians 10:11 Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.

Was John wrong?

1 john 2:18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.

Was James wrong?
James 5:8-9 You too, be patient and strengthen your hearts, because the Lord’s coming is near. Do not complain about one another, brothers, so that you will not be judged. Look, the Judge is standing at the door!

Jesus said: It is not given to you, to know the times and seasons.....
The Disciples didn't know when Jesus would Return, so their thinking and their hope, was that it could be soon.
They were wrong, as is proved by the nearly 2000 years now passed since then.

So your continual harping on the error of the Disciples, made to suit your preterist beliefs, shows your denial of plain facts, Biblical and of history.

Lost4words · Dec 25, 2019

Jesus said "This generation".

That doesnt mean in hundreds of generations time!

keras · Dec 25, 2019

Lost4words said:
Jesus said "This generation".

That doesnt mean in hundreds of generations time!

Jesus said: When you see all these things, then you know the end is near; at the very door. Truly I tell you, the present generation will see it all. Matthew 24:33-34
Did the generation in Jesus' time see it all? No, what they saw was the conquest and dispersion of Judah by the Romans.
Jesus referred to the generation present when the fig tree budded, that is: when Judah once again occupies Jerusalem.
WE are the people who will see all the end times events.

Be ready for dramatic things to happen!

Lost4words · Dec 25, 2019

keras said:
Jesus said: When you see all these things, then you know the end is near; at the very door. Truly I tell you, the present generation will see it all. Matthew 24:33-34
Did the generation in Jesus' time see it all? No, what they saw was the conquest and dispersion of Judah by the Romans.
Jesus referred to the generation present when the fig tree budded, that is: when Judah once again occupies Jerusalem.
WE are the people who will see all the end times events.

Be ready for dramatic things to happen!

'YOUR' interpretation as usual

Merry Christmas friend

David Kent · Dec 25, 2019

Charlie24 said:
Are you saying the anichrist has already come?

Of course Antichrist has come. Less than 200 years ago, the NEW futurist teaching came in from the Jesuits. Before that time all the Reformation churches recognised the Papes as Antichrist. They were correct. Not only after the reformation, but also before. The Waldensisna, the Hussites and the Lollards all could see it. But stan has blinded many peoples eyes.

Charlie24 · Dec 25, 2019

David Kent said:
Of course Antichrist has come. Less than 200 years ago, the NEW futurist teaching came in from the Jesuits. Before that time all the Reformation churches recognised the Papes as Antichrist. They were correct. Not only after the reformation, but also before. The Waldensisna, the Hussites and the Lollards all could see it. But stan has blinded many peoples eyes.

There have been many Antichrists who have come as the Bible states.

THE Antichrist is yet to come. He will sit in the temple and declare he is God.

He will also be destroyed by Christ at His coming.

This is yet future!

David Kent · Dec 25, 2019

keras said:
Jesus referred to the generation present when the fig tree budded, that is: when Judah once again occupies Jerusalem.

No he didn't. He was refering to the Abomination of Desolation, when they saw thaose things that is the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem, they should leave Judea. Luke makes it clearer when he says, "When you see the Fig tree and ALL THE TREES burst into life, then you know that summer is near" so when they saw the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem then they would know that its desolation was near.
Eusebius said that the christians in Jerusalem left the city in accordance with the command of Jesus and not one Christian died in the war. "This generation" cannot mean any other than the generation Jesus was addressing. especially as he used a very similar term in Matthew 23 when speaking of the woe on the Pharrisees.

David Kent · Dec 25, 2019

Charlie24 said:
There have been many Antichrists who have come as the Bible states.

THE Antichrist is yet to come. He will sit in the temple and declare he is God.

He will also be destroyed by Christ at His coming.

This is yet future!

And what is the Temple of God? The Church is!!
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 2 Corinthians 6:16

Charlie24 · Dec 25, 2019

David Kent said:
And what is the Temple of God? The Church is!!
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 2 Corinthians 6:16

The temple in Jerusalem.

I don't think we are reading the same Bible.

David Kent · Dec 25, 2019

The popes sit at the head of the church, (they claim) making out they are God,
Calvin said "when you see the claims of Christ and then the claims of the pope, one would have no difficulty in recognising antichrist, theough he were a ten year old boy." It seem that what a ten year old boy could see in those days, many christians are blind to today.

David Kent · Dec 25, 2019

Charlie24 said:
The temple in Jerusalem.

I don't think we are reading the same Bible.

I have just quoted from it. If you don't have that in your bible, then obviously we don't.

The temple was destroyed by the Roman armies (The people of the prince who came.) It can never rebuilt an called the Temple of God, because Christ died as a sacrifice once and for all. If a temple is rebuilt it would be a temple of Satan.

Charlie24 · Dec 25, 2019

David Kent said:
I have just quoted from it. If you don't have that in your bible, then obviously we don't.

The temple was destroyed by the Roman armies (The people of the prince who came.) It can never rebuilt an called the Temple of God, because Christ died as a sacrifice once and for all. If a temple is rebuilt it would be a temple of Satan.

We have a completely different understanding of scripture.

Been in this foxhole before.

Good luck!

keras · Dec 25, 2019

David Kent said:
No he didn't. He was refering to the Abomination of Desolation, when they saw thaose things that is the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem, they should leave Judea. Luke makes it clearer when he says, "When you see the Fig tree and ALL THE TREES burst into life, then you know that summer is near" so when they saw the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem then they would know that its desolation was near.
Eusebius said that the christians in Jerusalem left the city in accordance with the command of Jesus and not one Christian died in the war. "This generation" cannot mean any other than the generation Jesus was addressing. especially as he used a very similar term in Matthew 23 when speaking of the woe on the Pharrisees.

You confuse first century events with ones prophesied for our time.
Such as Judah going back to occupy Jerusalem. They are the 'fig tree that buds', as they have over the last 72 years.
In no way can the Roman army be called the 'fig tree'.

Jesus' Words to Christians, are for us today, as much as they were then.
Why must you so vehemently deny a final fulfilment of the prophesies in the future?

Marilyn C · Dec 25, 2019

Briefcase said:
In Acts 2:15, Peter quotes the prophecy of Joel 2:28f about the last days and emphatically says: “This is that” which was spoken by the prophet Joel.

“This is that” does NOT mean “this is not that!”

Peter not only affirmed the last days had arrived in the first century, he repeated it in Acts 3. He said that all of the prophets from Samuel forward, “foretold these days” (Acts 3:24).

Hebrews 9:26 deals a crippling blow to the idea that the last days are yet future. The writer says Jesus, “has appeared once, at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

The question is at the end of what age did Jesus appear?

He surely did not appear at the end of the Christian age.

Jesus appeared under the Law (Gal 4:4), in the fullness of time. Thus, he appeared in the last days of the age of the Law, the last days of Israel, the last days of the Jewish age.

Paul insisted he was living in the end of the age (1 Cor 10:11 and Heb 1:1).

If the Jewish age was to end and the Christian age has no end, what age was about to end? (Heb 1:1; Js 5:3; 1Pet 1:20; Jude 18; 2Pet 3; 1 Jn 2:18)

What last days were they living in?

Time statements are consistently used, literally through the Bible, but the language of the “Day of the Lord” is consistently metaphorical throughout the Bible. There is not one example of “The Day of the Lord” language, ie: coming on the clouds, with fire, the Shout, The Trumpet, etc ever being fulfilled literally.

Hi Briefcase,

1 Peter 4: 7.`at hand,` - to make near, to approach.

Since the Lord ascended to the Father`s right hand, the drawing of things to a conclusion starts. The Lord is interceding for His Body, while the Father is bringing His enemies to His footstool.

`The Lord (Father) said to my Lord, (Jesus), "Sit at My right hand till I make your enemies your footstool." (Ps. 110: 1)

And there is a pre-appointed time for this -

`And He has made form one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has DETERMINED THEIR PREAPPOINTED TIMES, and the BOUNDARIES of their dwellings.` (Acts 17: 26)

So....`the end of all things `approaches;...`(I Peter 4: 7) And that couldn`t be said prior to the Lord `s ascension, however now it is a pre-ordained track to a conclusion of Christ ruling over all.

Marilyn.

David Kent · Dec 26, 2019

Charlie24 said:
We have a completely different understanding of scripture.

Been in this foxhole before.

Good luck!

You should try to get out of it.

Charlie24 · Dec 26, 2019

David Kent said:
You should try to get out of it.

I think my last post was an attempt to do just that.

David Kent · Dec 26, 2019

keras said:
You confuse first century events with ones prophesied for our time.
Such as Judah going back to occupy Jerusalem. They are the 'fig tree that buds', as they have over the last 72 years.
In no way can the Roman army be called the 'fig tree'.

Jesus' Words to Christians, are for us today, as much as they were then.
Why must you so vehemently deny a final fulfilment of the prophesies in the future?

I separate those that are fulfilled from thos that are not fulfilled yet.
The fig tree does not represent anyone. When you see the fig tree and all the trees, bud, (Luke) then you will know that all these things are near.

Those things referred to the destruction of the temple by the Roman armies. All those things would come upon the Generation that Jesus was addressing, Christians. He had already pronounced the woe to the unbelievers in Matthew 23. Again it was be fulfilled within that generation, but they were not given the sign that the believers. The Jewish believers knew what the abomination of desolation was, so when Matthew and Mark say, "let the reader understand", they did understand and flee the city. Gentile Christians probably would not understand, so Luke makes it plain. Christians were to flee the city and country when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies. Then they would know that its desolation is nigh.

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