Three days and three nights in heart of earth?

prodromos · Dec 18, 2019

Der Alter said:
I think Passover occurred on the weekly Sabbath, and that is why it is called a high Sabbath by John.

Not quite

He calls the Sabbath a high day. Scripture never makes mention of a "high Sabbath". It's a made up term by some proponents of the 72 hour interpretation.

Der Alte · Dec 18, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You think the 14th or the 15th was on the weekly Sabbath?

I'm not sure about Nissan 14 and 15 but the Sabbath and Passover were on the same day.

Mark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath
Luke 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Der Alte · Dec 18, 2019

prodromos said:
Not quite
He calls the Sabbath a high day. Scripture never makes mention of a "high Sabbath". It's a made up term by proponents of the 72 hour interpretation.

But they call that imaginary Sabbath, which supposedly occurs on Thursday [I think], the high Sabbath. My position is the high day is the weekly Sabbath because Passover fell on that Sabbath.

prodromos · Dec 18, 2019

Der Alter said:
But they call that imaginary Sabbath, which supposedly occurs on Thursday [I think], the high Sabbath. My position is the high day is the weekly Sabbath because Passover fell on that Sabbath.

Yes, agreed. I'm just pointing out that Scripture makes no mention of the term "high Sabbath"

klutedavid · Dec 18, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Unless ULB (15 Nisan) occurs ON the weekly Sabbath day. Don't forget Yom HaBikkurim, that is another event during the days of ULB... Leviticus 23:9-12

That is conditional on them entering the land that God has promised. That is a future event.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Dec 18, 2019

Der Alter said:
I'm not sure about Nissan 14 and 15 but the Sabbath and Passover were on the same day.

Mark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath
Luke 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

The day of preparation was the 14th with the 1st day of ULB on the 15th

Yeshua HaDerekh · Dec 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
That is conditional on them entering the land that God has promised. That is a future event.

Yom HaBikkurim was kept every year in the Temple

DennisTate · Dec 18, 2019

Der Alter said:
But they call that imaginary Sabbath, which supposedly occurs on Thursday [I think], the high Sabbath. My position is the high day is the weekly Sabbath because Passover fell on that Sabbath.

Yes... the First Day of Unleavened Bread corresponded with Moses leading Israel out of Egypt and the Last Day of Unleavned Bread corresponded with the division of the Red Sea or Reed Sea?

It was the fifteenth day of the first month so the time of the week was determined when the visible new moon was seen to give you the first day of the first month. Fifteen days after a visible new moon can be any day of the week. (I am biased toward Thursday for thirty one C. E., which I believe to be the year of the crucifixion, death, burial and resurrection of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

DennisTate · Dec 20, 2019

Dave L said:
Are semitic Christians in the Middle East anti semitic? Practically the entire Middle East comes from Shem through Abraham.

That is an excellent question?

Personally... I think that all of us still have some biases that we have not yet one hundred percent overcame yet.

I so thank you for the translation of this verse that you gave over in one of your other discussions. I was looking for that particular translation but could not find it:

Your opening post:
Closing the Gap in Dispensationalism.

My reply that is related to this topic:

Closing the Gap in Dispensationalism.

DennisTate said:
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is one sentence in there that I would like to draw attention to:

3) And one week shall establish the [new] covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away [on the cross]: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations [continued animal sacrifice]; and at the end of the time an end shall be put to the desolation.”

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This verse is one of the several reasons as to why I felt that a Wednesday crucifixion...... late Wednesday burial......Thursday an annual High Sabbath the fifteenth day of the first month on the Hebrew calendar........and late Saturday resurrection was such a logical theory.

Do you see my logic or do you think that I am way,way off on this?

Three days and three nights in heart of earth?

Wednesday is the fourth day of the week......the midst of the seven day weekly cycle.

Gen 1:14

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And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

At the beginning of the fourth millennial period God gave the world Messiah Yeshua -Jesus, Messiah the Passover Lamb and raised up His Bride, the church, symbolic of the moon.

(From what I have read Rabbi Akiva messed around with the Hebrew calendar due to his fear of all Jews going Messianic Jewish and believing in Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus as Messiah the Passover Lamb. The first chapters of Matthew indicate how it was common knowledge at that time that the Elijah and the Messiah were coming but most people did not yet understand that this was to be John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus).

Yeshua HaDerekh · Dec 20, 2019

DennisTate said:
(The first chapters of Matthew indicate how it was common knowledge at that time that the Elijah and the Messiah were coming but most people did not yet understand that this was to be John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus).

Yet John said he was NOT Eliyahu HaNavi. He said he was "one crying in the wilderness..."
Shabbat Shalom

DennisTate · Dec 20, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Yet John said he was NOT Eliyahu HaNavi. He said he was "one crying in the wilderness..."
Shabbat Shalom

My guess is that John was incorrect....and of course Messiah Yeshua - Jesus knew more than John did even about John's role.

Matthew 17

10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elijah must first come?

11 And he answered and said, Elijah indeed cometh, and shall restore all things: 12 but I say into you, that Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but did unto him whatsoever they would. Even so shall the Son of man also suffer of them.

13 Then understood the disciples that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

DennisTate · Dec 21, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Yet John said he was NOT Eliyahu HaNavi. He said he was "one crying in the wilderness..."
Shabbat Shalom

One interesting aspect of this is that it is OK for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to hide some information from even his most trusted Special Forces personnel, such as John the Baptist. I believe that John did not know that he was the Elijah for that time period...... but Messiah Yeshua - Jesus did know it.... and the same thing could happen in our time period. The real final Elijah who has such a massive To Do List may not even realize that he is leading this.

Did John the Baptist accomplish all of the follow massive feats?

Personally, I do think that he did.... but in our time period it will be even more obvious, especially if the theory is true that the final Elijah will be one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation???

Douay-Rheims Bible, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) Chapter 48

[1] And Elias the prophet stood up, as a fire, and his word burnt like a torch. [2] He brought a famine upon them, and they that provoked him in their envy, were reduced to a small number, for they could not endure the commandments of the Lord. [3] By the word of the Lord he shut up the heaven, and he brought down fire from heaven thrice. [4] Thus was Elias magnified in his wondrous works. And who can glory like to thee? [5] Who raisedst up a dead man from below, from the lot of death, by the word of the Lord God.

[6] Who broughtest down kings to destruction, and brokest easily their power in pieces, and the glorious from their bed. [7] Who heardest judgment in Sina, and in Horeb the judgments of vengeance. [8] Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee. [9] Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. [10] Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Dec 21, 2019

Der Alter said:
I'm not sure about Nissan 14 and 15 but the Sabbath and Passover were on the same day.

Mark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath
Luke 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

The day of preparation was Friday the 14th, Pesakh, the day the lambs were killed. The 15th, Shabbat, was the 1st day of Unleavened Bread. Yom HaBikkurim, was on Sunday, the day He rose from he dead.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Dec 21, 2019

DennisTate said:
One interesting aspect of this is that it is OK for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to hide some information from even his most trusted Special Forces personnel, such as John the Baptist. I believe that John did not know that he was the Elijah for that time period...... but Messiah Yeshua - Jesus did know it.... and the same thing could happen in our time period. The real final Elijah who has such a massive To Do List may not even realize that he is leading this.

Did John the Baptist accomplish all of the follow massive feats?

Personally, I do think that he did.... but in our time period it will be even more obvious, especially if the theory is true that the final Elijah will be one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation???

Douay-Rheims Bible, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) Chapter 48

Eliyahu was taken alive into Shamayim. John was killed, beheaded. The 2 Witnesses will be killed, so it could be Eliyahu but not likely John.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Dec 21, 2019

DennisTate said:
My guess is that John was incorrect....and of course Messiah Yeshua - Jesus knew more than John did even about John's role.

Matthew 17

10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elijah must first come?

11 And he answered and said, Elijah indeed cometh, and shall restore all things: 12 but I say into you, that Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but did unto him whatsoever they would. Even so shall the Son of man also suffer of them.

13 Then understood the disciples that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

He came in the "spirit" of Eliyahu

DennisTate · Dec 22, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Eliyahu was taken alive into Shamayim. John was killed, beheaded. The 2 Witnesses will be killed, so it could be Eliyahu but not likely John.

Good point... in heaven we can meet both Eliyahu/ Elijah..... as well as John the Baptist and speak with them at the same time and they are both unique individuals.

What exactly the human spirit or soul can fully do... .and the full topic of pre-existence of our human spirit or soul is a huge topic... .but I tend to avoid it here on CF.

Three days and three nights in heart of earth?

How long was Jesus in the heart of the earth?

Three days and three nights, seventy two hours. (His burial to his resurrection).

From his burial on Friday to Sunday morning

From the time his spirit left his body until seventy two hours later.

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