LDS Elder Bednar shows how the brethren avoid difficult questions: No pre-prepared questions allowed

mmksparbud said:

That was the price He paid for becoming human---He retained His humanity. That is what you guys do not comprehend---the price that Jesus actually paid for us. You diminish Him.
I was talking about prior to His incarnation. He had no heavenly mother. He always was God with the Father.
You do not get it---Had Jesus not overcome sin---He still would have retained His Godhood. His Father would have taken Him back into heaven with Him. His humanity would have died, not His divinity. You can not kill God---He is from everlasting to everlasting. He would not haver been able to cleanse us of our sins, we are the ones that would have lost out if Jesus had failed. We would have been lost forever. He was showing us how to overcome sin, as He did through His Father, so can we. He overcame all the temptations that Satan tempted Him with. He was of Himself, already prefect for He was God. He came not to overcome sin with Hi8mslef, but to overcome what Satan hurled at Him.

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Peter1000 said:

We believe that having a body of flesh and bone and spirit it necessary to living with God eternally. It was not a price he had to pay for being human. He had to be human and to be born with a body of flesh and bone and spirit to fully become God.

Jesus had to have the same earthly experience as all the spirit children of God had. He was a God and so his experience was a little different than ours, but none the less he had to overcome like we have to overcome, or he would not have been our Savior. He did, so it is a mute point.

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mmksparbud said:

All I can say is that you are totally and completely wrong. Jesus was fully God---as God He created everything there is---He certainly could not have created anything if He wasn't God. Why is it that the LDS have to continually diminish how great Jesus is---what a huge price He paid in order to save us? You make it seem like a side issue that He had to do in order to become God, when He was already God and perfect and created this world in it's perfection. Everything that JS has come up with was to diminish the Father, So, and Holy Ghost. It is certainly proof enough for anyone to see that he was no prophet of God. That is why there are so many LDS that are leaving the church and I hope many more will do so. For only Satan wants to diminish the Godhead and in the process exalt man, they become gods, too. Your Jesus simply is not the true one and can not save anyone.

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Peter1000 said:

If he was fully God, why did he have to overcome anything in order to sit with God in His throne?

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Peter1000 said:

I love church history, and I have been a student of our history for many years. One of the things that was interesting to me about church history, is the apostles went out and formed churches all over the Mediterranean area. As they organized a church they called, and ordained elders, and from those elders they eventually chose one of them to be the bishop of that church.
So I wondered, even as a young boy what the succession of the apostles looked like and so I got on the internet to check it out and I was somewhat disappointed in the succession of the apostles because it pretty much ended by 110ad, and the succession became a succession of bishops and not apostles.

So I have always thought that the only way a bishop could be ordained was by an apostles, using the bible as the modal. But by 110ad, the apostles were gone and the bishops were ordained by other bishops. There was a succession of bishops, but more importantly there was not a succession of apostles. I always thought there was something fishy about that. What do you think?

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Gracia Singh said:

Friend, you are so patient and kind. I urge you to check out true Early Christian History. The Eucharist, the role of Mary, the Liturgy, Sub Tuum Praesidium, the Incarnation, the Communion of Saints, the Sacraments, the role of Bishops and their lines of succession, and early church buildings. God bless you, friend.

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mmksparbud said:

All I can say is that you are totally and completely wrong. Jesus was fully God---as God He created everything there is---He certainly could not have created anything if He wasn't God. Why is it that the LDS have to continually diminish how great Jesus is---what a huge price He paid in order to save us? You make it seem like a side issue that He had to do in order to become God, when He was already God and perfect and created this world in it's perfection. Everything that JS has come up with was to diminish the Father, So, and Holy Ghost. It is certainly proof enough for anyone to see that he was no prophet of God. That is why there are so many LDS that are leaving the church and I hope many more will do so. For only Satan wants to diminish the Godhead and in the process exalt man, they become gods, too. Your Jesus simply is not the true one and can not save anyone.

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Phoebe Ann said:

True believers don't turn their backs on Jesus; we love Him!

Ich bin klein
Mein herz ist Dein
So niemand kann da wohnen
Als Jesu allein.

Hebrews 13
5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

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