For the older folks, did you support impeachment of President Clinton in the 90s?

Go Braves said:

Wondering if those opposed to impeaching Donald now were also opposed to impeaching President Clinton 20 years back.

It's interesting reading the statements from Lindsey Graham, Mitch, from the 90s and how their current stance is diametric.

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Except that Clinton did actually commit perjury for which he later admitted to and had his law license suspended for 5 years. Plus his articles of impeachment were about his committing perjury which is a violation of the law that any person can be charged with...

Go Braves said:

If Donald Trump testified under oath about things relating to his impeachment, do you think he wouldn't perjure himself?

If Donald had gone to law school and if he had actually managed to pass the bar exam & get a law license, he'd face ramifications from the bar in addition to impeachment. But of course Donald never went to grad school.

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What exactly would he perjure himself to?....even Zelensky denies any QPQ.....

Go Braves said:

Wondering if those opposed to impeaching Donald now were also opposed to impeaching President Clinton 20 years back.

It's interesting reading the statements from Lindsey Graham, Mitch, from the 90s and how their current stance is diametric.

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Five Democrats voted to impeach Clinton. 10 Republicans in the Senate voted to acquit him and the impeachment was ultimately not upheld. It was a little more bi-partisan than this time around.

This time round no Republicans will vote to impeach and a few democrats will also vote no on impeachment. No Republican senators will vote him guilty and a few democratic senators will also likely vote him "not guilty". If anything in this is bi-partisan it will be in support of the President.

Go Braves said:

little speeches about how what Donald did was wrong but they're going to keep their toes on their Republican line.

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I don't recall hearing speeches like that....citations?

Go Braves said:

Glad there were Democrats with the integrity to vote on behalf of their country, not just in alignment with their party. Wish modern Republicans would follow that instead of just making little speeches about how what Donald did was wrong but they're going to keep their toes on their Republican line.

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Impeachment has always had some bi-partisan support. It really says something that there is no republican division on this issue but there is division among the democrats.

Go Braves said:

If he had the guts to repeat under oath all that he says on Twitter, there's no doubt about it he'd be perjure himself.

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And if politicians were put under oath for all the things they promise to constituents and fail to deliver all of them would be in jail. No one care about what he says on Twitter. Zelensky himself stated no QPQ....why is that not good enough for you?

civilwarbuff said:

What exactly would he perjure himself to?....even Zelensky denies any QPQ.....

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As has been pointed out, that is an incorrect, albeit hopeful understanding of what he said. What he stated is that he refused to allow the Ukraine to be put into a power up power down relationship, which is what Trump was wanting. So in fact, he was kind of suggesting that in fact Trump DID in fact do a QPQ just that he wasn't going to get dragged into that kind of relationship.

Ukraine president says 'no blackmail' in phone call with Trump
Realy?....

rambot said:

As has been pointed out, that is an incorrect, albeit hopeful understanding of what he said.

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told reporters Thursday his controversial July call with President Trump involved no bribe, blackmail or quid pro quo, as impeachment-minded Democrats claim.

Zelensky spoke at a daylong event with media inside a Kiev food market, and said he believes the transcript released by the White House is accurate and that he knew the U.S. had withheld $400 million in military aid due to concerns about corruption and concern for American "taxpayer money." But the issue, he said, was never linked to Trump's desire that Kiev rekindle an investigation into an energy company with ties to former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden.

"There was no blackmail," Zelensky said. "They blocked this money and nobody asked us [for] anything,"
Ukraine president says 'no blackmail' in phone call with Trump

Trump is playing a game of misdirection, and winning.

Wrong again.....

Go Braves said:

Ukraine still hasn't received the aid they were promised by the US.

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The State Department released military aid to Ukraine before President Trump announced that he had stopped withholding it on Sept. 11, Bloomberg reported reported Saturday, citing five people familiar with the matter.

State Department lawyers had found earlier this year that the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and therefore Trump could not legally block the aid, Bloomberg reported, noting that this determination resulted in the release of the $141 million.
Ukraine aid was released sooner than Trump said: report

Go Braves said:

President Clinton certainly should not have lied under oath about having a consenting extramarital affair. That's the legal side of things. Of course morally that was wrong too. Donald Trump has flagrantly committed adultery.

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I just want to point out that the allegations against President Clinton have been much more serious than merely being involved in a consensual extramarital affair. He was asked about Monica Lewinsky during the Paula Jones lawsuit--the latter had accused him of sexual harassment. She was an Arkansas state employee while Clinton was governor there, and claimed that he had had her escorted to his room in a hotel by state troopers, where he propositioned her and exposed himself to her.

There have been at least four accusations of sexual misconduct against Clinton: Jones's allegations of harassment, Willey's of groping her, Milwee's of sexual assault, and Broaddrick's rape accusation. (There is a decent chance that the Willey and Broaddrick allegations are false, but there's a much bigger issue going on with Clinton than consensual affairs. Assuming any of the affairs were truly consensual, given the power imbalance involved.)

Go Braves said:

Wondering if those opposed to impeaching Donald now were also opposed to impeaching President Clinton 20 years back.

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Just impeachment or impeachment and removal too?