Three days and three nights in heart of earth?

His student · Dec 17, 2019

Der Alter said:
Irrefutable scriptural evidence has been posted more than once documenting that the first day of the week, i.e. Monday, was the third day from Jesus' resurrection.

You simply have to be kidding. :scratch:

prodromos · Dec 17, 2019

His student said:
You simply have to be kidding.

He meant Sunday

His student · Dec 17, 2019

prodromos said:
He meant Sunday

With the priests and Pilot supposedly posting a guard starting on Saturday for three days - I can understand how he could get a little mixed up.

I'm sure the guards would have as well.

prodromos · Dec 17, 2019

His student said:
With the priests and Pilot supposedly posting a guard starting on Saturday for three day

That is not what the Scriptures say.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Dec 17, 2019

prodromos said:
He meant Sunday

What I think he meant to say was that Sunday was the 3rd day since His crucifixion...

His student · Dec 17, 2019

prodromos said:
That is not what the Scriptures say.

I agree of course. It was Thursday not Saturday.

prodromos · Dec 17, 2019

His student said:
I agree of course. It was Thursday not Saturday.

Also not what the Scriptures say.

DennisTate · Dec 17, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
What I think he meant to say was that Sunday was the 3rd day since His crucifixion...

Yes... I meant crucifixion on Wednesday... burial late Wednesday afternoon before sunset.

Resurrection Saturday afternoon either seventy two hours from when the spirit of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus left his body..... .or from his burial..... I am not entirely sure which but assume from when his spirit left his body.

So I believe in a late Sabbath afternoon resurrection and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was already risen by Sunday morning when the women came with the spices that they had prepared on Friday..... that they could not prepare on Thursday due to it being an annual Sabbath the First Day of Unleavened Bread.

Der Alte · Dec 17, 2019

His student said:
You simply have to be kidding.

Typo I meant Sunday. Irrefutable scriptural evidence has been posted several times that Sunday was the third day from the crucifixion.

His student · Dec 17, 2019

Der Alter said:
Typo I meant Sunday. Irrefutable scriptural evidence has been posted several times that Sunday was the third day from the crucifixion.

Much better now. But you are mistaken when you say that it is irrefutable scriptural evidence. I have refuted it as have many others before me and as many after me will.

Der Alte · Dec 17, 2019

His student said:
Much better now. But you are mistaken when you say that it is irrefutable scriptural evidence. I have refuted it as have many others before me.

No you have NOT refuted anything. You have only stated your opinion .
Where we differ. There was only one Sabbath passion week, the weekly Sabbath.
1st ULB is never called a Sabbath in the OT.
I have searched the Jewish Encyclopedia and the Talmud 1st ULB is never called a Sabbath in either one.
1st and 7th ULB are holy convocations, no servile work is to be done. But the preparing and cooking of food was specifically permitted.
Since preparing/cooking of food was permitted 1st and 7th ULB did not have or need a day of preparation.
There was only one "preparation" in passion week, the day before the Sabbath.
All four gospels agree that Jesus was crucified on preparation.
At the time of Jesus' crucifixion up to the present day paraskeue/preparation was/is the Greek name for the day prior to the Sabbath i.e. "Friday."
The disciples on the road to Emmaus state that Sunday was the third day since Jesus' crucifixion..

Yeshua HaDerekh · Dec 17, 2019

DennisTate said:
Yes... I meant crucifixion on Wednesday... burial late Wednesday afternoon before sunset.

Resurrection Saturday afternoon either seventy two hours from when the spirit of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus left his body..... .or from his burial..... I am not entirely sure which but assume from when his spirit left his body.

So I believe in a late Sabbath afternoon resurrection and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was already risen by Sunday morning when the women came with the spices that they had prepared on Friday..... that they could not prepare on Thursday due to it being an annual Sabbath the First Day of Unleavened Bread.

The scriptures do not hold to your timeline. A Wednesday crucifixion is impossible according to scripture. He raised after the Sabbath sunset (Sunday which was Yom HaBikkurim).

DennisTate · Dec 17, 2019

Bob Carabbio said:
Exactly!!! but in the interest of compressing things conveniently into one weekend, instead of spreading it out with the consequent disruption of the work week, the Visible church invented the "any portion of a day is a whole day" foolishness - to force it to fit into a more "practical" time slot.

Yes.... that would definitely play a significant role in the final decisions of the churches.

prodromos · Dec 17, 2019

DennisTate said:
Yes.... that would definitely play a significant role in the final decisions of the churches.

The Eastern Orthodox Church has services every day of the week in the week leading up to Easter. His claim is nonsense. I often take some of my leave that week so I can attend as many of the services as possible. It is a big chunk off my annual leave and is anything but convenient.

Der Alte · Dec 17, 2019

DennisTate said:
Yes.... that would definitely play a significant role in the final decisions of the churches.

As I told Bob the church did not invent the "part of a day is as a whole day." When I first heard this several years ago I looked it up and where better to look it up than in the Jewish Encyclopedia.

Jewish Encyclopedia-Day
In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). "The day" denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; (c) the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath).E. G. H. M. F.
Jewish Encyclopedia online

Bob Carabbio · Dec 18, 2019

Der Alter said:
where better to look it up than in the Jewish Encyclopedia.

Better version: Jesus was killed on Wednesday afternoon, and interred before sundown which would be the beginning of Thursday night. He then remained in the "earth" until Sundown on Saturday and was ressurected after sundown which would be Sunday night, and met the ladies Early Sunday morning.

Der Alte · Dec 18, 2019

Bob Carabbio said:
Better version: Jesus was killed on Wednesday afternoon, and interred before sundown which would be the beginning of Thursday night. He then remained in the "earth" until Sundown on Saturday and was ressurected after sundown which would be Sunday night, and met the ladies Early Sunday morning.

Wrong! This merely ignores my post. All 4 gospels agree that Jesus was crucified on the day of Preparation which is "paraskeue" in Greek. "Paraskeue" was then and is today the Greek word for the day we call Friday.

Matthew 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
Mark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Luke 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

.....Maybe there were 2 Sabbaths and 2 preparation days? Does not work according to scripture. The first day of Unleavened bread occurred during passion week. You have it occurring on Wednesday. If that is correct then according to scripture there would have been a preparation day on Tuesday. Where did it come from?
.....1st and 7th ULB are called a holy convocation מקרא־קדשׁ /miqra kodesh . They are never called a Sabbath anywhere in the OT. If God had wanted 1st/7th ULB to be Sabbaths He would have called them that. But God did not, He called them holy convocations. Maybe some folks can make any day they want to a Sabbath?

Exodus_12:16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

Since the preparation and cooking food is specifically permitted on 1st and 7th ULB they do not have or need a day of preparation. So no day of preparation on Tuesday.

klutedavid · Dec 18, 2019

Bob Carabbio said:
Better version: Jesus was killed on Wednesday afternoon, and interred before sundown which would be the beginning of Thursday night. He then remained in the "earth" until Sundown on Saturday and was ressurected after sundown which would be Sunday night, and met the ladies Early Sunday morning.

Jesus cannot be interred before sundown on Wednesday afternoon and rise on Sunday night. Because that means Jesus rose on the fourth day.

klutedavid · Dec 18, 2019

Bob Carabbio said:
Better version: Jesus was killed on Wednesday afternoon, and interred before sundown which would be the beginning of Thursday night. He then remained in the "earth" until Sundown on Saturday and was ressurected after sundown which would be Sunday night, and met the ladies Early Sunday morning.

The first day of Unleavened is not a Sabbath day if you read the text carefully.

Leviticus 23:3
For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work.

We know the 'seventh day' is a Sabbath day and importantly a day of 'complete rest'.

Here is where you need to read carefully.

Leviticus 23:7
On the first day you shall have a holy convocation, you shall not do any laborious work.

The first day of Unleavened Bread is not a day of 'complete rest' and is also not the 'seventh day'. The verse above simply says not to do any 'laborious work'.

Leviticus 23:8
On the seventh day is a holy convocation, you shall not do any laborious work.

Same goes for the seventh day of the week of Unleavened Bread. Light work can be performed on the first and the seventh days of Unleavened Bread. No mention of 'complete rest' or 'Sabbath day'.

Bob Carabbio · Dec 18, 2019

Der Alter said:
Wrong! This merely ignores my post.

Exactly!!

Three days and three nights in heart of earth?

How long was Jesus in the heart of the earth?

Three days and three nights, seventy two hours. (His burial to his resurrection).

From his burial on Friday to Sunday morning

From the time his spirit left his body until seventy two hours later.

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