Philippians 2:6

Jesus_is_Saint said:

Philippians 2:6, NIV: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;"

KJV 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Why Paul did not say Jesus is God, but in nature/form of God?
Which may imply Jesus is not equivalent to God, but just like God.

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You need to read the whole Bible to get the correct picture. For example, the Pharisees complained that Jesus was making Himself out to be God because only God can forgive sin. Jesus said, "OK, I heal people too." Psalm 103 - God forgives our sins and heals our diseases. What Lord Jesus did not say is "You've got the wrong idea. I'm just this guy who can do everything that God can do, but no, I'm not God". Jesus also said, "Before Abraham was, I am," That is one of God's names. It's how He identified Himself to Moses. There are other verses that declare that Jesus is God, albeit in human form.

In your quote we have how Jesus was in "the form of God" > not only "a" form.

Jesus is "the image of God" > 2 Corinthians 4:4 < not "an" image.

What matters is not the label we give to Jesus, though, but we need to feed on how Jesus is. Because this is how God is. And this is our example required of us. So, ones can stay busy away, elsewhere, only arguing and discussing what label to put on Jesus.

But Jesus says,

"He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (in John 14:9).

I understand this means that by seeing how Jesus is we see how God is. And who but God, really, can be the way God is?

And I personally understand that if Jesus is "the image of God", this is like to how an image of gold has nothing but gold in that image. There can be different forms of gold. But, of course, gold is material, can only go so far to be an image to help us understand God.

Because "God is love" (in 1 John 4:8&16). I think we can see how Jesus is all of how love really is. And we see how family caring and sharing love involves more than one person > father, child, and mother. Love is personal, and there are Persons of love. God is three Persons of the exact same and harmonious and creative family caring and sharing love.

So, the love meaning can help us, then, with this.

But . . . too . . . we need to feed on this, so we become and love like Jesus as much as it is possible for God to change us like this >

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

Jesus_is_Saint said:

Philippians 2:6, NIV: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;"

KJV 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Why Paul did not say Jesus is God, but in nature/form of God?
Which may imply Jesus is not equivalent to God, but just like God.

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To be the very nature of something, is to be that something. So, saying that Jesus was the very nature of God, is saying that Jesus is God. The NLT translation of this verse, is much better;

Jesus_is_Saint said:

Philippians 2:6, NIV: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;"

KJV 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Why Paul did not say Jesus is God, but in nature/form of God?
Which may imply Jesus is not equivalent to God, but just like God.

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I think the answer lies in the ancient mindset being addressed. Paul was battling the Gnostics and the various paganisms that on one side believed anything material was corrupt so no God would ever become human and on the other held to the deification of heroic humans (but that didn't make them actual gods).

More importantly, though, I think the verse should not be singled out, removed from its surrounding text and treated as if it stand alone and anything of doctrinal substance can be garnered in such a way. That practice is called proof-texting and proof-texting is always wrong. The answer lies in what happened: he became a servant in human appearance. This means he wasn't previously a servant. He wasn't previously human.

Jesus_is_Saint said:

Philippians 2:6, NIV: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;"

KJV 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Why Paul did not say Jesus is God, but in nature/form of God?
Which may imply Jesus is not equivalent to God, but just like God.

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It is true that something that is “Like Something” cannot be that “Something” that it is ‘Like’... else there would be no need to say it was ‘like’... simply say, ‘it IS’.

Moreover, IF Jesus were God (and ‘God’, as he/it* is defined for the context) then he could not separate himself from BEING GOD to become mortal man.
In addition, the misrepresented view claims that Jesus was ‘claiming equality’ with God. Now, think carefully... Something that IS something never has a need to claim EQUALITY with ... Himself/Itself*.

(*is “God” a Person (He), or is “God” a “thing” (It), “Essence and Nature” I hear and read from certain loud quarters. Scriptures states, “He”, and in any case, “Essence and Nature” are aspects ‘OF’ a Person or thing and would be stated as “It”.)

The pointer to the truth of the text is found in previous verses where the apostles are urged to:

• ‘Be like Christ Jesus’

That, though having POWER AND AUTHORITY to do great works, they should:

• ‘Humble themselves’

as Jesus did.

And what ‘Power and Authority’ is being spoken of? Well, remember Jesus’ baptism at the river Jordan? What happened?
At the river Jordan, Jesus was EMPOWERED with:

• The fullness of the Holy Spirit

And at Pentecost, the Apostles were EMPOWERED with:

• Individual amounts of POWERS AND AUTHORITIES of the Holy Spirit

And these are to use their God-Given powers and authorities, not for their own advantage or inflate their position in society or within their group, “but rather,” to deploy themselves in all humbleness towards the world. In essence: to put themselves last. Check out the start of Phil 1-2.
Thus, Phil 2 has nothing to do with ‘Jesus being LIKE GOD and IS God’ and should be clear from Jesus’ own words:
- “Why do you say I blaspheme when I ONLY said that I was the SON of God; why, even ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF (!!) called men of holy renown, ‘Gods’, and you do not claim that those men are ALMIGHTY GOD, do you?” (Paraphrased). “But in any case, to prove I am the Son, witness the work I do in the father’s name... am I not doing his work - you are not, you only think you are - so I am true Son. And, if you still don’t believe I am the Son, then at least believe in the works that is being done FROM THE FATHER and that it is i that is doing it - then you will reach the same conclusion!” (Paraphrased)...
to wit: definition of ‘Son’ is:
- ‘He who truly does the works of the Father’.
And please don’t say that ‘Only God can do the works of God’ and ‘Only the Son can do the works of the Father’. God, who IS the Father, empowers us through HIS Holy Spirit in measures amounts to do his works if we receive him through his Son, Jesus Christ.

Some translations read “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.” Others read: “he did not cling to his equality with God.” However, in still others, the latter portion of that passage reads or has the same thought: “who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.”-Philippians 2:5, 6.

Which thought agrees with the context? Verse 5 counsels Christians to imitate Christ in the matter here being discussed. Could they be urged to consider it “not robbery,” but their right, “to be equal with God”? Surely not! However, they can imitate one who “gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Compare Genesis 3:5.) Such a translation also agrees with Jesus Christ himself, who said: “The Father is greater than I.”-John 14:28.

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I find it extraordinary that anyone should mistranslated Phil 2 by way of claiming that these verses prove (or even point to claims) that Jesus is Almighty God. And notice that I say ‘Almighty’ God. Virtually no trinity based ideology uses the ‘Almighty’ title and thus makes their ideology nearer to saying that Jesus is ‘A GOD’. They won’t admit it but it is patently clear seeing that ‘Equal to God’ can never infer ‘IS God’.

Scriptures paints a picture of Jesus being ‘Subordinate’ to ‘His God, and Father’, whom he calls: ‘The One True God’. Trinitarians cannot dispute this ultimate claim and so, instead, try to deflect the truth of it by asking ‘How is Jesus our ONLY Lord if [Almighty] God is also stated by scriptures as being ‘only Lord?’. The answer is, simply, that ‘Lord’ is not a term that professes ‘ultimate’. There are indeed: ‘Many Lords’ (and ‘Many Kings’) and Jesus is indeed, ‘King of kings and Lord of Lords’ WITHIN HUMANITY but Almighty God: Yhwh, is ‘King of [All] kings and Lord of [all] Lords’ of all that exists eternally: hence Almighty God is entitled ‘God of all whom are called Gods’ (And just to make it clear: Jesus Christ is never referred to as having that title!)

Phil 2 is properly shown to show that:
- Jesus Christ was endowed with the ability to use the FULL POWER and Authority OF ALMIGHTY GOD. This was so by being ANOINTED with Almighty God’s HOLY SPIRIT. Notice that the Disciples (and later, Apostles) were also this endowed but each and everyone of them in limited manner according to their abilities
- Being thus endowed, Jesus could do almost anything Almighty God PERMITTED Jesus Christ to do and that Jesus FIRST PRAYED FOR (‘Father, I know you always hear me [when I pray to you for power]’)
- Being so empowered, Jesus was tempted to misuse these abilities - such as:

• saving his own life from starvation and jumping off the top of the temple; and ...
• gaining RULERSHIP OVER CREATION without going through the trauma of being disbelieved; scourged; beaten; and dying for mankind (to destroy the eternal death to all mankind by Adam)

Jesus DID NOT misuse his empowerment. Indeed, he told [the] Satan that: man should live by the word of Almighty God; Not to Test Almighty God (Jesus was not ‘tested’ but rather, was ‘tempted’. Satan insinuated to Jesus that GOD would save him - how can that suggest Jesus IS God?); All worship was to the Lord your God (Yhwh).
Clearly, Jesus was not saying that Satan should worship HIM (Jesus) instead. Jesus was clearly stating A DIFFERENT PERSON: His God; His Father.
I know Trinitarians claim that Jesus was being too modest to include himself as being THAT GOD WHO ALONE SHOULD BE WORSHIPPED. But not only is this total nonsense but notice that only TWO PERSONS are mentioned (not only here but many times when Trinitarians claim a tri-unity God they actually only mention TWO PERSONS... check it out!!)

So saying, Jesus laid aside his almighty powers and did not assume EQUALITY WITH ALMIGHTY GOD. Instead... Jesus first petitioned Almighty God BEFORE carrying out every miracle. He called upon the Almighty God to EMPOWER him WITH the Holy Spirit - and this power of the Almighty is channeled through Jesus to enact the miracle (Note that anyone who tries wrongfully to empower themselves with Holy Spirit does not eventually come off well.)

So, Phil 2 is quite clearly stating that the apostles should have it in mind that which was in Jesus, that though they may be endowed with the power of God, they should seek not to BE GOD-LIKE (in the form of) in use of the powers but rather make yourself as nothing and only using such powers for the glory of almighty God (This death [of Lazarus] was so that the raising up of him would show the power of Almighty God... not the power of Jesus Christ. Notice that after many miracles, the healed person went off ‘Praising [almighty] God’ - not Jesus Christ!)

And after all that is said above, does anyone read the verses after (vs. 9 etc.):

• 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
  • If Jesus were equal to Almighty God (or Almighty God, himself!) then how could he be EXALTED by HIMSELF to a HIGHER PLACE!
  • Jesus is given a ‘name’ that is above all names... what is that name... it is ‘YHWH’... not to say he is ‘THE YHWH’ but that he, Jesus, is NOW (in heaven) ETERNAL and IMMORTAL and now will ‘NEVER CHANGE’... he ‘IS’ (from the verb: to be, and suggests a never changing state of being!) Note that Trinitarians try to claim this is as Jesus was... no, it is as he BECAME shortly before (40 days or so) being taken up to heaven.

• 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
  • ‘Bowing’ is NOT WORSHIP! Bowing MAY be PART of worship but it is not MANDATORY AS WORSHIP! Worship is far more than a bow - even human kings and high priests and masters, were bowed down to: King David was bowed to at his bedside by his wife (Solomon’s mother) but no one says that David was ‘Worshipped’. The Jews were actively seeking to arrest Jesus and his supporters for blasphemy yet no one tried to arrest him when the Jews witnessed Jesus being ‘Bowed down to’ - that which Trinitarians claim was ‘Jesus accepting worship’!!
• 11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
  • Note the precedence: The glory of God: the Father, is greater than Lordship of Jesus Christ (Yet trinity claims that both (both? I thought there were three??) are completely and absolutely the same: what is their definition of ‘Equal’?

Jesus_is_Saint said:

Jesus is God, he has the perfect image of God.

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Jesus is the perfect image of God.

- Man was made in the Perfect image of God:
Gen 1:27: “So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them”

Adam was made in the image of Almighty God.

Being the image of Almighty God apportions him the title of ‘Son of God’ (Luke 3:38... Trinitarians do not like this verse and even claim it does not say that Adam is Son of God... which is odd seeing that the verse is the last in a line of every one of the Male persons in line leading down from Jesus Christ. The same contextual usage states ‘Son of...’ so if Adam is not ‘Son of...’ then neither are anyone else and Jesus cannot be ‘Of David’ along the attributed heritage line. There should have been no need to state the obviousness in the previous statement but trinity fallacy demands their ideology be outed!)

What does ‘image of God’ means? It’s not what Trinitarians say nothing can explain because their imagery is false. It is, in fact, all the qualities that are above those of the general creatures of Earth. I’m not going to list them as everyone knows what they are - we live in this world and can see the differences.

What happened to Adam, though, was that he sinned and therefore fell away from some aspect of the image of God.

For sure, simply sinning splits us away from the PERFECT IMAGE of our Almighty God. Jesus, The Christ, Born in the SAME sinless and Holy state (by means of the Holy Spirit - not the sperm seed of a sinful man) remained SINLESS and Holy and therefore WAS PERFECT as man can be and thus retained the title of ‘Son of God’.

This ‘Son of God’ is a title that is given to All who ‘Do the works of the Father’. Adam, before he sinned, obeyed his Spiritual Father completely. Jesus, from his birth, obeyed his spiritual Father completely - even unto his death on the cross! Who else could say to the Jews: ‘I call myself the Son of God... [because]... I am doing the works of my Father’ (paraphrased).

What was the REWARD that Jesus earned for his sacrifice of an unblemished life - the perfect pure blood scapegoat for the sin of Adam. You all know that was the point, don’t you?

The reward - from HIS GOD, and Father? What REWARD can be awaiting the Almighty God who is the owner and creator of all things? Well, perhaps it wasn’t a reward for ALMIGHTY GOD... Jesus the God, as Trinitarians say... perhaps, the created world was ‘made for’ HIM WHO IS PERFECT (Human) SON OF GOD... A perfect human RULER over a perfected created world?

Is this why Almighty God, the Father, remains ruler over the Spiritual world of Heaven?

If Jesus were almighty God... Ruler of heaven and earth ... is he now been demoted to being ONLY ruler over creation (‘Firstborn* over creation’)

*You are aware that ‘Firstborn’ means ‘Most beloved of the Father’?

JustAskin said:

Scriptures paints a picture of Jesus being ‘Subordinate’ to ‘His God, and Father’, whom he calls: ‘The One True God’.

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This is true, and in no way diminishes Jesus as almighty , echad eternally , without beginning, without end,
with the Father.

Jesus_is_Saint said:

Why Paul did not say Jesus is God, but in nature/form of God?
Which may imply Jesus is not equivalent to God, but just like God.

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Yahushua (Jesus) is not equivalent to Yahuweh Sovereign Creator. Remember each Talks in Scripture, and each 'talks' (not needing words though, except for our (human) sake - in Spirit, no words are needed unless Yahuweh Decides they are needed)
And They are echad, one, without change eternally in this regard.

AvgJoe said:

To be the very nature of something, is to be that something. So, saying that Jesus was the very nature of God, is saying that Jesus is God. The NLT translation of this verse, is much better;

6) Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.
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I like the NLT it is very readable.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

This is true, and in no way diminishes Jesus as almighty , echad eternally , without beginning, without end,
with the Father.

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I really must protest at persons who make unsubstantiated claims like in the quote above.
No attempt is made to provide evidence of the claim that Jesus is Almighty nor actually could there be any evidence (hence it is not offered).
No one who is ‘Almighty’ can be classed under the themes of:
1) Not knowing his future
2) Unable at first try to make a blind person see
3) Not know who touched them in a crowd - Jesus has to keep asking before a shy woman offered herself up as the individual
4) Not know who are his left and right hand associates are to be
5) Pray for help to do what the Almighty could do
6) Die
7) Be MADE immortal: The Father made him so after the same raised Jesus from being dead in body (all mankind subject to SAME STATE... trinity tries to make out that Jesus was different... not so!!)
8) Be made to sit in a seat of honour (The right hand side of the Majesty... who then is ‘The Majesty’?)
9) Be GIVEN (loaned, in fact) the Power and Authority to reign over heaven and earth - and then, having accomplished the task, HAND IT BACK to Him who gave it (The Father)... Who is the owner of ‘The Power and Authority’?
10) Jesus acquires the throne of David. This is obviously a spiritual throne which means rulership over mankind, and in fact, the whole of creation. Is it reasonable to ask why an ALMIGHTY GOD would wish to acquire not only what he already owns but to denote himself to become ruler over a lesser kingdom than he already rules over?

And where in scriptures does any verse suggest that Jesus Christ is ‘eternally, without beginning or end, with the Father’?

This is just concocted by someone who has no idea what he is saying but feels that speaking wrongfulness gets him credits.

‘Son’ is not, contextually, an offspring of God because ‘God does not PROCREATE’. God only CREATES.
He created ‘Spirit Sons’, we call ‘Angels’ to do his bidding. These are highly intelligent beings with enormous strength that MUST DO what Almighty God bids them do... they cannot fail (as in ‘Must not fail’) else they are destroyed. They exist only to do Gods bidding. And as ones who do the bidding, the Will, of God, they are rightly awarded the title of ‘Son of snd ‘Sons’ of God.
Hence, you see, from the spiritual (and God is Spirit) perspective, anyone, human or angel, who does the bidding or will, of the Almighty God, is ‘Son of God’.
Adam, before he sinned, ‘walked’ with God, hence he is afforded the title given in Luke 3:38 as, ‘Son of God’. Because he sinned, he fell away from that title. As seen from numerous examples throughout the scriptures, the first son of the patriarchs sinned, but another is brought up to become the favoured son. This is known as the ‘Firstborn Son’ (and note that it is not the ‘First BORN’ Son. This is because ‘Firstborn’ means ‘The most beloved of the Father’.
On a common level the first born would also be the firstborn (the Male child that opens the womb) - scriptures tells that the child that opens the womb of his mother is the delight of the Father. Look at Ishmael; he wasn’t born of the covenant but was still the favoured child of Abraham. This was until Ismael sinned against Isaac. So do you see how the first born loses his ‘firstborn’ status and another Son is brought up in position to replace him as the most beloved of the Father.
Are there any other examples you can think of? There are two that are hugely significant:
- Adam, first son of humanity, firstborn until he sinned. Jesus, another son (and the Last born via the Holy Spirit, as was Adam) of humanity becomes ‘firstborn’ in his stead: ‘This is my son in whom I am well pleased’ and ‘This day you have become to me a Son, and I to you, a Father’... this is an ADOPTION STATEMENT. How is Jesus God if he is adopted as man TO GOD?

Jesus_is_Saint said:

Philippians 2:6, NIV: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;"

KJV 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Why Paul did not say Jesus is God, but in nature/form of God?
Which may imply Jesus is not equivalent to God, but just like God.

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The theological language we use has been honed and refined through the fires of controversy. Without controversy, there's usually no need to be be more clear and precise in our language--but with controversy, with false teaching, it becomes necessary to refine our language to be as clear as possible so that we do not give false teaching any quarter.

So when St. Paul writes in the first century he is writing at a time before any of the major Christological controversies which arose in the early centuries of the Church had taken place; the very things which required the Church to respond and refine the language necessary to speak truth against error.

-CryptoLutheran

1. Jesus_is_Saint said:

   Philippians 2:6, NIV: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;"

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Jesus_is_Saint said:

KJV 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Why Paul did not say Jesus is God, but in nature/form of God?
Which may imply Jesus is not equivalent to God, but just like God.

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You are absolutely right that Paul did not say Jesus is God.

Jesus Christ, himself, did not say he was God.

Jesus DENIED that he claimed to be God.

Jesus Christ stated that he had only called himself, ‘The Son of God’.

No disciple ever called Jesus, ‘God’.

The so-called ‘Thomas affair’ wherein Thomas was supposed to have cried out in astonishment with the words, ‘My Lord and My God’ do not resonate as an utterance of declaration of ‘Seeing Almighty God’.

And here are three thought on this matter:

1. Jesus quite emphatically told Thomas that he (Jesus) was ‘Flesh and Bone’. Yet we know that Almighty God is ‘SPIRIT’. If Jesus was indeed ‘Almighty God’, is the scriptures lying about the visible nature of God?
2. The other disciples in the room... why didn’t they cry out in anguish or exhilaration at ‘Seeing’ without dying ‘Almighty God’ standing before them
3. Straight after, time wise, the disciples went BACK to their ‘day jobs’. If someone had seen almighty God standing afore them... no ‘day job’ could ever thereafter be the norm for them

So, please consider these three and wonder at the truth or lie of them

Trinitarians forget that no man has seen the almighty God, indeed, no one has seen ‘The Father’, and lived. Trinitarians turn the truth of God unto a lie for the desperation of the continuation of false ideology.

In one moment it is fully believed that no man has seen God and in the next moment it is believed that they HAVE SEEN GOD as Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Yet they never admit that the critical person, the Father, HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN by man.

It is not too difficult even for a child to work out that ‘The Father must therefore be God’.

And to justify Jesus denying that he claimed to be God, the term:

• ‘Son of God’

means

• ‘Anyone who does the works of the Father’

Jesus declares this definition to the Jews who were so enraged that they did not ‘hear’ Jesus’ statement of fact:

• ‘If I am NOT doing my fathers works...’ (if I am NOT the Son of God)

Here there are TWO definitions bound up:

1. ‘Son of God’ is him doing his Father’s work (That which thd Father taught and showed him to do)
2. The Father IS GOD

Add this to Jesus’ other words:

• ‘Father,... this means life, that they should believe that YOU are the ONLY True God, and in Jesus Christ the one YOU SENT’ (my emphasise, obviously!)

God cannot SEND one (of himself), indeed, GOD cannot send any of himself because ‘GOD’ according to trinity ideology, is ‘ESSENCE AND NATURE’. Each PERSON of the trinity, trinity says, SHARES in the ESSENCE AND NATURE. None is greater nor lesser than the others, it goes on to say. Yet we later learn that the trinity three are RANKED in some unknown ORDER... how can co-equality have RANK ORDER!!!?

Jesus is ETERNALLY (if believed) LESS THAN the Father. The Holy Spirit is SUBORDINATE TO BOTH Jesus and the Father!! What on earth or in heaven does ‘Co-Equality’ mean then?

In reality, trinity ideology has been DEVELOPED over millenia but in its continual modification brought about by the massive errors in its doctrine, it has developed sticking plasters to attempt to cover over its failings. But, like all ‘sticking plasters’ they come apart when tested. What on earth or in heaven (yes, again!) does ‘Eternally Generated’ mean in regard to Jesus being ‘Born by God from eternity’. Here, the trinity crowd thought they’d found a solution to his Jesus came into existence... ‘God from God’, they said... until they were tested on it and realised it was silly because whenever, even from eternity, Jesus was ‘Born’, that STILL MAKES JESUS A CREATION of God... Jesus is thus ‘A creature’. Shock!! Oh dear!!!!
So the doctrine was changed to say Jesus was ‘Eternally generated’ by God and therefore was ‘NEVER BORN’. Well, if Jesus was eternally generated, why did he fear death and weep tears of blood the night before even to ALMOST [‘running away’]: ‘Father, if there could be another way!’???? Wouldn’t he have known that the Father would ‘regenerate’ him?
Moreover, do you hear anything in their doctrine here about a THIRD PERSON intervention? No... look forward to them adding THAT into their doctrine at some stage!

Soory, I can write a lot... I’ll stop here!!

JustAskin said:

You are absolutely right that Paul did not say Jesus is God.

Jesus Christ, himself, did not say he was God.

Jesus DENIED that he claimed to be God.

Jesus Christ stated that he had only called himself, ‘The Son of God’.

No disciple ever called Jesus, ‘God’.

The so-called ‘Thomas affair’ wherein Thomas was supposed to have cried out in astonishment with the words, ‘My Lord and My God’ do not resonate as an utterance of declaration of ‘Seeing Almighty God’.

And here are three thought on this matter:

1. Jesus quite emphatically told Thomas that he (Jesus) was ‘Flesh and Bone’. Yet we know that Almighty God is ‘SPIRIT’. If Jesus was indeed ‘Almighty God’, is the scriptures lying about the visible nature of God?
2. The other disciples in the room... why didn’t they cry out in anguish or exhilaration at ‘Seeing’ without dying ‘Almighty God’ standing before them
3. Straight after, time wise, the disciples went BACK to their ‘day jobs’. If someone had seen almighty God standing afore them... no ‘day job’ could ever thereafter be the norm for them

So, please consider these three and wonder at the truth or lie of them

Trinitarians forget that no man has seen the almighty God, indeed, no one has seen ‘The Father’, and lived. Trinitarians turn the truth of God unto a lie for the desperation of the continuation of false ideology.

In one moment it is fully believed that no man has seen God and in the next moment it is believed that they HAVE SEEN GOD as Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Yet they never admit that the critical person, the Father, HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN by man.

It is not too difficult even for a child to work out that ‘The Father must therefore be God’.

And to justify Jesus denying that he claimed to be God, the term:

• ‘Son of God’

means

• ‘Anyone who does the works of the Father’

Jesus declares this definition to the Jews who were so enraged that they did not ‘hear’ Jesus’ statement of fact:

• ‘If I am NOT doing my fathers works...’ (if I am NOT the Son of God)

Here there are TWO definitions bound up:

1. ‘Son of God’ is him doing his Father’s work (That which thd Father taught and showed him to do)
2. The Father IS GOD

Add this to Jesus’ other words:

• ‘Father,... this means life, that they should believe that YOU are the ONLY True God, and in Jesus Christ the one YOU SENT’ (my emphasise, obviously!)

God cannot SEND one (of himself), indeed, GOD cannot send any of himself because ‘GOD’ according to trinity ideology, is ‘ESSENCE AND NATURE’. Each PERSON of the trinity, trinity says, SHARES in the ESSENCE AND NATURE. None is greater nor lesser than the others, it goes on to say. Yet we later learn that the trinity three are RANKED in some unknown ORDER... how can co-equality have RANK ORDER!!!?

Jesus is ETERNALLY (if believed) LESS THAN the Father. The Holy Spirit is SUBORDINATE TO BOTH Jesus and the Father!! What on earth or in heaven does ‘Co-Equality’ mean then?

In reality, trinity ideology has been DEVELOPED over millenia but in its continual modification brought about by the massive errors in its doctrine, it has developed sticking plasters to attempt to cover over its failings. But, like all ‘sticking plasters’ they come apart when tested. What on earth or in heaven (yes, again!) does ‘Eternally Generated’ mean in regard to Jesus being ‘Born by God from eternity’. Here, the trinity crowd thought they’d found a solution to his Jesus came into existence... ‘God from God’, they said... until they were tested on it and realised it was silly because whenever, even from eternity, Jesus was ‘Born’, that STILL MAKES JESUS A CREATION of God... Jesus is thus ‘A creature’. Shock!! Oh dear!!!!
So the doctrine was changed to say Jesus was ‘Eternally generated’ by God and therefore was ‘NEVER BORN’. Well, if Jesus was eternally generated, why did he fear death and weep tears of blood the night before even to ALMOST [‘running away’]: ‘Father, if there could be another way!’???? Wouldn’t he have known that the Father would ‘regenerate’ him?
Moreover, do you hear anything in their doctrine here about a THIRD PERSON intervention? No... look forward to them adding THAT into their doctrine at some stage!

Soory, I can write a lot... I’ll stop here!!

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Question: "What are the strongest biblical arguments for the divinity of Christ?"

Answer: That the New Testament is full of references to the divinity of Christ is difficult to deny. From the four canonical Gospels through the book of Acts and the Pauline Epistles, Jesus is not only seen as the Messiah (or Christ) but also equated with God Himself. The apostle Paul refers to the divinity of Christ when he calls Jesus our "great God and Savior" (Titus 2:13) and even says that Jesus existed in the "form of God" prior to His incarnation (Philippians 2:5-8). God the Father says regarding Jesus, "Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever" (Hebrews 1:8). Jesus is directly referred to as the Creator Himself (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17). Other biblical passages teach Christ's deity (Revelation 1:7; 2:8; 1 Corinthians 10:4; 1 Peter 5:4).

While these direct citations are sufficient to establish that the Bible claims Jesus is divine, a more indirect approach may prove to be more powerful. Jesus repeatedly placed Himself in the place of Yahweh by assuming the Father’s divine prerogatives. He was often doing and saying things that only God has a right to do and say. Jesus also referred to Himself in ways that hinted at His deity. Some of these instances provide us with the strongest proof of Jesus' divine self-understanding.

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