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The covenant of faith came 430 years before the law.

Galatians 3:6 (NASB) 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
I want you to use the "mind of Christ" not just regurgitate Scripture without explaining anything.
 
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The Romans crucified Yeshua not Joseph. Abraham was told to offer his son as a burnt offering. Why? Normally a test is given to determine what the student knows. Why was it important to offer up Isaac on the altar?
What did Abraham know?

Promised heirs 430 years in the future.
Gen 15:8 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

An inheritance secured after Abraham is dead....
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

An inheritance secured after the third generation
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Therefore Abraham had to believe in life after death, to realize this promise for himself. His heirs would receive it after he was dead. After the second generation was dead, after the third generation was dead.....

Third generation dies….
Ex 1:6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.

The heirs of the fourth generation
Ge 50:25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
Ex 13:19 And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you.

As Hebrews teaches....
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. {in faith: Gr. according to faith }

Israel the firstborn of God....
Israel as a nation were entrusted with the oracles of God. What was the oracle?

A double portion of inheritance to the sons of Abraham....

An inheritance in this world, in this life to the natural seed of Abraham (testament, gen 15)

An inheritance in the next world, in the next life for the seed of promise (testament gen 17)

So Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, as well as the third generation which died in Egypt, all which believed in the promise to Abraham himself,,,,had to believe in a resurrection to receive their inheritance.

Do you realize that Abraham knew years before the promise of Isaac that the first three generations of his seed were not the seed spoken of in the covenant he had before made with God?
 
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I want you to use the "mind of Christ" not just regurgitate Scripture without explaining anything.
The Holy Spirit is the best teacher... The Father reveals Himself in truth through scripture. Your rejection of it is telling.

You didn’t deal with the point I made plainly outside of the scriptures I posted - the covenant of faith came 430 years before The Law.


Romans 3:21 (NASB)
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,​

Romans 3:28 (NASB)
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.​

Since scripture clearly indicates the covenant of faith came (and was ratified) 430 years before the law, and since once a covenant is ratified, it can no longer be modified or have conditions added to it, we can surmise that the covenant of faith is not based on the law. Furthermore that the covenant of faith is completely & entirely apart from the law (as Romans 3 above says). Further that the covenant of faith has & does exist outside of and apart from the law, but that the law has never existed outside of or absent the covenant of faith. Therefore is the covenant of faith shown to be above & supreme even over the law. Therefore, faith does not testify to the law, but the law may testify reguarding faith because faith came first.
 
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What did Abraham know?

Promised heirs 430 years in the future.
Gen 15:8 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

An inheritance secured after Abraham is dead....
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

An inheritance secured after the third generation
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Therefore Abraham had to believe in life after death, to realize this promise for himself. His heirs would receive it after he was dead. After the second generation was dead, after the third generation was dead.....

Third generation dies….
Ex 1:6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.

The heirs of the fourth generation
Ge 50:25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
Ex 13:19 And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you.

As Hebrews teaches....
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. {in faith: Gr. according to faith }

Israel the firstborn of God....
Israel as a nation were entrusted with the oracles of God. What was the oracle?

A double portion of inheritance to the sons of Abraham....

An inheritance in this world, in this life to the natural seed of Abraham (testament, gen 15)

An inheritance in the next world, in the next life for the seed of promise (testament gen 17)

So Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, as well as the third generation which died in Egypt, all which believed in the promise to Abraham himself,,,,had to believe in a resurrection to receive their inheritance.

Do you realize that Abraham knew years before the promise of Isaac that the first three generations of his seed were not the seed spoken of in the covenant he had before made with God?
All of what you said explains why YHWH tested Abraham?
 
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The Holy Spirit is the best teacher... The Father reveals Himself in truth through scripture. Your rejection of it is telling.

You didn’t deal with the point I made plainly outside of the scriptures I posted - the covenant of faith came 430 years before The Law.


Romans 3:21 (NASB)
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,​

Romans 3:28 (NASB)
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.​

Since scripture clearly indicates the covenant of faith came (and was ratified) 430 years before the law, and since once a covenant is ratified, it can no longer be modified or have conditions added to it, we can surmise that the covenant of faith is not based on the law. Furthermore that the covenant of faith is completely & entirely apart from the law (as Romans 3 above says). Further that the covenant of faith has & does exist outside of and apart from the law, but that the law has never existed outside of or absent the covenant of faith. Therefore is the covenant of faith shown to be above & supreme even over the law. Therefore, faith does not testify to the law, but the law may testify reguarding faith because faith came first.
Where is it written "Covenant of faith"?
 
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Where is it written "Covenant of faith"?
Genesis 15:5-6 (NASB) 5 And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them." And He said to him, "So shall your seed (singular) be." 6 Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.
Genesis 15:9-10 (NASB) 9 So He said to him, "Bring Me a three year old heifer, and a three year old female goat, and a three year old ram, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon." 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, and laid each half opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds.
Genesis 15:17-18 (NASB) 17 It came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces. 18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, "To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates:

Genesis 17:2-7 (NASB) 2 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly." 3 Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying, 4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a multitude of nations. 5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations. 6 "I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. 7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed (singular) after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your seed after you.

Galatians 3:6-9 (NASB) 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

Galatians 3:14-17 (NASB) 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.

Galatians 4:21-28 (NASB) 21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. 27 For it is written, "REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR; BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR; FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND." 28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.

Romans 4:9-13 (NASB) 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:16-17 (NASB) 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written, "A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU") in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.​
 
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Genesis 15:5-6 (NASB) 5 And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them." And He said to him, "So shall your seed (singular) be." 6 Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.
Genesis 15:9-10 (NASB) 9 So He said to him, "Bring Me a three year old heifer, and a three year old female goat, and a three year old ram, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon." 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, and laid each half opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds.
Genesis 15:17-18 (NASB) 17 It came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces. 18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, "To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates:

Genesis 17:2-7 (NASB) 2 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly." 3 Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying, 4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a multitude of nations. 5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations. 6 "I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. 7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed (singular) after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your seed after you.

Galatians 3:6-9 (NASB) 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

Galatians 3:14-17 (NASB) 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.

Galatians 4:21-28 (NASB) 21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. 27 For it is written, "REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR; BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR; FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND." 28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.

Romans 4:9-13 (NASB) 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:16-17 (NASB) 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written, "A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU") in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.​
I do not see the words "Covenant of faith" in any of the scriptures you posted.
 
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I do not see the words "Covenant of faith" in any of the scriptures you posted.
I want you to use the "mind of Christ" not just scan for catch phrases. ;)

Clearly Galatians indicates two covenants whereby someone could be justified as righteous; works of the law, and faith in the gospel.

Galatians 2:16 (NASB) nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.​

it presents these to ways of justification to righteousness as two covenants.

Galatians 4:24 (NASB) This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.​

It says the promise (oath, covenant) was given to Abraham 430 years before the law.

Galatians 3:14-18 (NASB) 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.​

so we know Faith was a covenant God made with Abraham 430 years before The Law was given. I call it the covenant of faith because that name is a literal description of the Abrahamic covenant spoken of in Romans & Galatians. But you are correct that the phrase “covenant of faith” is not a specific phrase the Bible uses. It uses the term “promise” or “oath” or “blessing” in Abraham’s covenant to describe what I call the covenant of faith.

I think it’s justifiable to use the word covenant interchangeably with promise because both the New Testament and the Tanakh do this.

Nehemiah 9:7-8 (NASB) 7 "You are the LORD God, Who chose Abram And brought him out from Ur of the Chaldees, And gave him the name Abraham. 8 "You found his heart faithful before You, And made a covenant with him To give him the land of the Canaanite, Of the Hittite and the Amorite, Of the Perizzite, the Jebusite and the Girgashite-- To give it to his descendants. And You have fulfilled Your promise, For You are righteous.​
 
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I want you to use the "mind of Christ" not just scan for catch phrases. ;)

Clearly Galatians indicates two covenants whereby someone could be justified as righteous; works of the law, and faith in the gospel.

Galatians 2:16 (NASB) nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.​

it presents these to ways of justification to righteousness as two covenants.

Galatians 4:24 (NASB) This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.​

It says the promise (oath, covenant) was given to Abraham 430 years before the law.

Galatians 3:14-18 (NASB) 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.​

so we know Faith was a covenant God made with Abraham 430 years before The Law was given. I call it the covenant of faith because that name is a literal description of the Abrahamic covenant spoken of in Romans & Galatians. But you are correct that the phrase “covenant of faith” is not a specific phrase the Bible uses. It uses the term “promise” or “oath” or “blessing” in Abraham’s covenant to describe what I call the covenant of faith.

I think it’s justifiable to use the word covenant interchangeably with promise because both the New Testament and the Tanakh do this.

Nehemiah 9:7-8 (NASB) 7 "You are the LORD God, Who chose Abram And brought him out from Ur of the Chaldees, And gave him the name Abraham. 8 "You found his heart faithful before You, And made a covenant with him To give him the land of the Canaanite, Of the Hittite and the Amorite, Of the Perizzite, the Jebusite and the Girgashite-- To give it to his descendants. And You have fulfilled Your promise, For You are righteous.​
 
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I want you to use the "mind of Christ" not just scan for catch phrases. ;)

Clearly Galatians indicates two covenants whereby someone could be justified as righteous; works of the law, and faith in the gospel.

Galatians 2:16 (NASB) nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.​

it presents these to ways of justification to righteousness as two covenants.

Galatians 4:24 (NASB) This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.​

It says the promise (oath, covenant) was given to Abraham 430 years before the law.

Galatians 3:14-18 (NASB) 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.​

so we know Faith was a covenant God made with Abraham 430 years before The Law was given. I call it the covenant of faith because that name is a literal description of the Abrahamic covenant spoken of in Romans & Galatians. But you are correct that the phrase “covenant of faith” is not a specific phrase the Bible uses. It uses the term “promise” or “oath” or “blessing” in Abraham’s covenant to describe what I call the covenant of faith.

I think it’s justifiable to use the word covenant interchangeably with promise because both the New Testament and the Tanakh do this.

Nehemiah 9:7-8 (NASB) 7 "You are the LORD God, Who chose Abram And brought him out from Ur of the Chaldees, And gave him the name Abraham. 8 "You found his heart faithful before You, And made a covenant with him To give him the land of the Canaanite, Of the Hittite and the Amorite, Of the Perizzite, the Jebusite and the Girgashite-- To give it to his descendants. And You have fulfilled Your promise, For You are righteous.​
You are the one using catch phrases "Covenant of faith" not found in Scripture. We are told not to add or subtract. You have done both to somehow justify your doctrine. You should use words interchangeably that do not have the same meaning. If you decide to be honest and truthful you will admit that "Covenant of faith" is not found in Scripture.
 
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You are the one using catch phrases "Covenant of faith" not found in Scripture. We are told not to add or subtract. You have done both to somehow justify your doctrine. You should use words interchangeably that do not have the same meaning. If you decide to be honest and truthful you will admit that "Covenant of faith" is not found in Scripture.
You & I both know that the Abrahamic covenant is the promise of the spirit through faith. What difference is it if I say Abraham’s promise or Abraham’s covenant and if I say that covenant concerns faith?

Galatians 3:6-9 (NASB) 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

Romans 4:3-14 (NASB) 3 For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7 "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED. 8 "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT." 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified;
 
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How was the "law of commandments CONTAINED in ordinances"? When you contain something you hold within; you control it. The law of commandments were CONTAINED or held within so that the law could be controlled.


Great. It have been abolished at the cross.
 
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You & I both know that the Abrahamic covenant is the promise of the spirit through faith. What difference is it if I say Abraham’s promise or Abraham’s covenant and if I say that covenant concerns faith?

Galatians 3:6-9 (NASB) 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

Romans 4:3-14 (NASB) 3 For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7 "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED. 8 "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT." 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified;
Covenant of faith? Yes I think this is not far off...
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
What law????
Ro 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
 
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Covenant of faith? Yes I think this is not far off...
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
What law????
Ro 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Ephesians 2:12 (NASB) remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

Hebrews 8:6 (NASB) But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

Hebrews 9:15 (NASB) For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


Romans 4:13 (NASB)
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:16 (NASB)
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

Galatians 3:14 (NASB)
in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:22 (NASB)
But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

The law of faith is to say “the rules that govern the promise of the spirit by faith.” It isn’t a law that is part of Moses law, but rather a promise God made to Abraham in Abraham’s covenant.
 
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Ephesians 2:12 (NASB) remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

Hebrews 8:6 (NASB) But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

Hebrews 9:15 (NASB) For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


Romans 4:13 (NASB)
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:16 (NASB)
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

Galatians 3:14 (NASB)
in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:22 (NASB)
But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

The law of faith is to say “the rules that govern the promise of the spirit by faith.” It isn’t a law that is part of Moses law, but rather a promise God made to Abraham in Abraham’s covenant.
Um, I don't know that I would say it was not part of Moses law though. I would say it was the law which the faithful walked from the beginning, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, etc. Which law was not abolished by the latter covenant of Sinai. So no, it was not law from Moses, but was law which was retained when Moses law was added.
Hence Paul speaking of Whole law, which the nations were never subject to.
 
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Um, I don't know that I would say it was not part of Moses law though. I would say it was the law which the faithful walked from the beginning, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, etc. Which law was not abolished by the latter covenant of Sinai. So no, it was not law from Moses, but was law which was retained when Moses law was added.
Hence Paul speaking of Whole law, which the nations were never subject to.
Of course Moses’ law may have testified concerning the covenant of faith, but once it was ratified (as it was in Genesis 15), it can no longer be modified or have conditions added. So it was locked in place 430 years before The Law of Moses was given, and so Moses’ law didn’t modify or change it... but merely testified about it.
 
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Completely false.


Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
Galatians 3:12
Yes, the law is not based on Faith (Faith is referring to Jesus Christ ) Galatians 3:22-25...But the law is based on anyone who does what is says....you already sum up the the two covenants in one sentence...one is based on man's efforts or righteousness through works, the other is Christ works or Righteousness through Faith....
 
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Of course Moses’ law may have testified concerning the covenant of faith, but once it was ratified (as it was in Genesis 15), it can no longer be modified or have conditions added. So it was locked in place 430 years before The Law of Moses was given, and so Moses’ law didn’t modify or change it... but merely testified about it.
I see the scripture saying something different....
Genesis 15 and Genesis 17 are distinct covenants....The women Hagar and Sarai are an allegory for them.
Additional law was by the Sinai covenant...So no covenant is being altered here. Rather a distinct covenant brought with it additional law.
Allegory for this covenant is Hagar Genesis 15.....
Sinai covenant not made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
De 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.


Covenant Genesis 17 Sarah is an allegory......
Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Ga 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Ga 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.





Heb 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
Heb 6:16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
Genesis 17 Sarah....With an oath
Heb 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath

Sinai covenant priests were without an oath......
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) {without … : or, without swearing of an oath }
Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
 
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Covenant of faith? Yes I think this is not far off...
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
What law????
Ro 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Hello, Yes you're right......covenant with Abraham is the covenant that requires Faith...so Faith is the Law that justify Abraham in Genesis 26 so also is the Law that we as Christians should follow...
The covenant with Abraham is sometimes called "the everlasting covenant", "covenant of love" or "covenant of the promise "...the requirement for that Covenant is "Faith " as you mentioned in Romans. ..and the command for that same covenant is Love...or in one sentence is "Faith" express through "Love"...Galatians 5:6
 
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