Three days and three nights in heart of earth?

His student · Dec 14, 2019

David Kent said:
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Sorry I used the wrong words. I should have said: "In the end the Sabbath." I take that as twilight between Sabbath and first day. They arrived at the grave "while it was yet dark. I have no doubt that they would have set out as soon as the sabbath was over. Jesus' body was put in the grave at twilight, as the sabbath was approaching, and was raised exactly 72 hours later, at twilight. That satisfies all timings, In three days, On the third day, Three days and three nights and After three days.

Exactly so.

There is no way that the women, or anyone else for that matter, would approach the grave expecting to roll the stone away until there was absolutely no doubt the full 3 days and nights had past and the guards had finished their work - lest they lose their heads.

For what it's worth - the guards were in all likelihood Romans because the scriptures tell us that the priests told them “if this comes to the governor’s ears, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” . It is not likely that they would be adhering to any Jewish "partial day and night" theories when standing their guard.

In any case, as you correctly point out - the scriptures make it a point to say it three different ways - bracketing it down for us to exactly 72 hours - no ifs, ands, or buts.

Der Alte · Dec 14, 2019

His student said:
Exactly so.
There is no way that the women, or anyone else for that matter, would approach the grave expecting to roll the stone away until there was absolutely no doubt the full 3 days and nights had past and the guards had finished their work - lest they lose their heads.
For what it's worth - the guards were in all likelihood Romans because the scriptures tell us that the priests told them “if this comes to the governor’s ears, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” . It is not likely that they would be adhering to any Jewis "partial day and night" theories when standing their guard.
In any case, as you correctly point out - the scriptures make it a point to say it three different ways - bracketing it down for us to exactly 72 hours - no ifs, ands, or buts.

Repeating something over and over while ignoring anything which proves you wrong does not make your conclusions right.

Justin [A.D. 110-165.] The First Apology Chap. LXVII
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. ...
But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration

JacksBratt · Dec 14, 2019

Der Alter said:
It appears that you found a book somewhere that supports your assumptions/presuppositions and ignore what the Bible says.
The first and seventh days of ULB are NEVER called a sabbath anywhere in the Bible they are both called מקרא־קדשׁ /holy convocations. They differ from a Sabbath in that the preparation and cooking of food is specifically permitted. Neither one is a Sabbath because some anonymous Rabbi says they are.

Exodus 12:16
(16) And in the first day there shall be to you a holy convocation, and in the seventh day a holy convocation; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done by you.

I found "a book"?

Seriously?

High Sabbaths - Wikipedia
Keith Hunt - SEVEN ANNUAL SABBATHS
The Two Sabbaths of Passover

JacksBratt · Dec 14, 2019

Der Alter said:
Repeating something over and over while ignoring anything which proves you wrong does not make your conclusions right.

Hearing something told to you over and over and not accepting it..... does not change the fact that it is truth.

JacksBratt · Dec 14, 2019

Der Alter said:
Repeating something over and over while ignoring anything which proves you wrong does not make your conclusions right.

Do you believe that there was another High Holy Day during the week of Christ's crucifixion?
Does this day fall 72 hours before they found the stone rolled away?

His student · Dec 14, 2019

Der Alter said:
Repeating something over and over while ignoring anything which proves you wrong does not make your conclusions right.............................................

Exactly so.

Then why do you keep posting that quote over and over again? That makes 5 times now that I've read it as quoted by you.

By the way - assuming for the moment that the quote from Justin's First Apology is accurate - all that a quote from the second century A.D. proves is that the incorrect tradition concerning the crucifixion and resurrection started fairly early in the Christian era.

Der Alte · Dec 14, 2019

JacksBratt said:
Do you believe that there was another High Holy Day during the week of Christ's crucifixion?
Does this day fall 72 hours before they found the stone rolled away?

There was a high Sabbath because Passover fell on the weekly Sabbath.
Lots of folks want to make 1st ULB a Sabbath but if God wanted to call 1st ULB a Sabbath that is what He would have called it but He didn't He called 1st and 7th ULB a holy convocation. Scripture previously provided but ignored since it didn't fit some folks agenda.
1-7 ULB are similar to a Sabbath, servile work is prohibited but the preparation and cooking of food is specifically permitted on both. Just in case some folks forgot no, zero, none work can be done on the Sabbath.

Der Alte · Dec 14, 2019

His student said:
Exactly so.
Then why do you keep posting that quote over and over again? That makes 5 times now that I've read it as quoted by you.
By the way - assuming for the moment that the quote from Justin's First Apology is accurate - all that a quote from the second century A.D. proves is that the incorrect tradition concerning the crucifixion and resurrection started fairly early in the Christian era.

Unlike you I quote credible, verifiable, historical evidence NOT unsupported opinion. If you think Justin or anything else I post is wrong PROVE IT, don't just make unsupported claims. I think I can say without chance of contradiction if you found something in the ECF which supported you, you would quote it in a heartbeat.

Der Alte · Dec 14, 2019

JacksBratt said:
I found "a book"?
Seriously?
High Sabbaths - Wikipedia
Keith Hunt - SEVEN ANNUAL SABBATHS
The Two Sabbaths of Passover

My bad I checked again it was not a book it was a short article written by DJ. Love, whoever he is. It must be true it was on the internet.
Wiki is about as reliable as the scribblings on a public facility wall. Every article has [Edit] links. Anybody can add, change, delete anything without review.

His student · Dec 14, 2019

Der Alter said:
Unlike you I quote credible, verifiable, historical evidence NOT unsupported opinion. If you think Justin or anything else I post is wrong PROVE IT, don't just make unsupported claims. I think I can say without chance of contradiction if you found something in the ECF which supported you, you would quote it in a heartbeat.

I do quote verifiable, historical evidence not supported by opinion. It's called the Bible with the words of Jesus Christ accurately quoted.

It and He said that He would be resurrected "in 3 days", "on the 3rd day", and "after 3 days"- i.e. exactly 72 hours after being put into "the heart of the earth" for 3 days and 3 nights in fulfillment of the prophecy of Jonah.

I did not make a judgment as to the accuracy of the quote of Justin. What I did do was tell you quite truthfully that the quote proves nothing but that the tradition held by most of Christianity for the last 1900 years or so started quite early in the Christian era.

What you seem to be unable or unwilling to grasp is that quotes from over 100 years after the fact and from a modern "Jewish Encyclopedia" do not hold a candle to the preponderance of evidence shown in the scriptures themselves related to the events in question.

You obviously are dug in with your opinion as to the accuracy of the traditions so often taught in the church. I am quite sure of my position as well. So be it brother.

I have no more trouble with you holding that position than I do with Martin Luther, Max Lucado or the Pope holding that position.

I hope to see you all on the other side of this life and compare notes with the Lord Himself after watching the video.

prodromos · Dec 14, 2019

His student said:
It and He said that He would be resurrected "in 3 days", "on the 3rd day", and "after 3 days"- i.e. exactly 72 hours after being put into "the heart of the earth" for 3 days and 3 nights in fulfillment of the prophecy of Jonah.

Except that none of those expressions equate to 72 hours and most of them can't.

His student · Dec 14, 2019

prodromos said:
Except that none of those expressions equate to 72 hours and most of them can't.

Of course they do.

But go ahead on with your traditions. It's all good brother.

David Kent · Dec 14, 2019

It seems the unbelieving chief priests and Pharisees remembered what Jesus said
Matthew 27:62-63

Der Alte · Dec 14, 2019

His student said:
I do quote verifiable, historical evidence not supported by opinion. It's called the Bible with the words of Jesus Christ accurately quoted.
It and He said that He would be resurrected "in 3 days", "on the 3rd day", and "after 3 days"- i.e. exactly 72 hours after being put into "the heart of the earth" for 3 days and 3 nights in fulfillment of the prophecy of Jonah....

Does "in 3 days,""on the 3rd day," "after 3 days" and "3 days and 3 nights" mean the same thing? "In 3 days," does not include the night of the 3rd day. "On the 3rd day" does not include the night of the 3d day. After 3 days would be more than 72 hours, But Jesus used four different terms to refer to the same event.
And you have yet to provide any credible evidence of any kind, including scripture, which supports two sabbaths in passion week.

Der Alte · Dec 14, 2019

David Kent said:
It seems the unbelieving chief priests and Pharisees remembered what Jesus said
Matthew 27:62-63

They said "after 3 days" which is more than 72 hours.

prodromos · Dec 14, 2019

His student said:
Of course they do.

But go ahead on with your traditions. It's all good brother.

You are obviously deeply entrenched in yours.

David Kent · Dec 14, 2019

Der Alter said:
They said "after 3 days" which is more than 72 hours.

No it is not. At the expiry of 72 hours is after 72 hours had expired.

David Kent · Dec 14, 2019

The third day as 72 hours is scriptural, Genesis 1:4-13

JacksBratt · Dec 14, 2019

Der Alter said:
There was a high Sabbath because Passover fell on the weekly Sabbath.
Lots of folks want to make 1st ULB a Sabbath but if God wanted to call 1st ULB a Sabbath that is what He would have called it but He didn't He called 1st and 7th ULB a holy convocation. Scripture previously provided but ignored since it didn't fit some folks agenda.
1-7 ULB are similar to a Sabbath, servile work is prohibited but the preparation and cooking of food is specifically permitted on both. Just in case some folks forgot no, zero, none work can be done on the Sabbath.

Did this sabbath fall 72 hours before they found the stone rolled away?

Der Alte · Dec 14, 2019

David Kent said:
No it is not. At the expiry of 72 hours is after 72 hours had expired.

And 72 hours is not three days?

Three days and three nights in heart of earth?

How long was Jesus in the heart of the earth?

Three days and three nights, seventy two hours. (His burial to his resurrection).

From his burial on Friday to Sunday morning

From the time his spirit left his body until seventy two hours later.

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