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Since when is faith based on Torah ? Who teaches that ?
Your faith should be lawful. You disagree? A man should not use his faith to inherit another man's wife (Matthew 22:28). You know the law is both holy and good.
 
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Your faith show be lawful. You disagree? A man should not use his faith to inherit another man's wife (Matthew 22:28). You know the law is both holy and good.
Again, would you print out the text, the words, of the verse when 'quoting' from Scripture. It does not come out on all screens, especially cell phones.

Genesis 15:6

Could you print out the text , with context if needed too ?
It does not render on some screens, especially on cell phones.
 
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Yeshua never gave up his righteousness
I disagree. The Bible clearly says he did.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Galatians 3:13 (NASB) Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"--

Isaiah 53:6 (NASB) All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.

Numbers 21:8 (NASB)
Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live.”
John 3:14 (NASB) "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;

To redeem is to purchase or exchange. Do you suppose the serpent on the standard was to represent Christ’s righteousness?

Don’t think that Jesus raised himself from the dead by his own power or righteousness. He submitted himself to be raised from the dead by God the Gather through the covenant of faith in order to demonstrate its effectualness.


Hebrews 13:20 (NASB)
Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord,​

Genesis 17:7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your [seed] after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your [seed] after you.​

Galatians 3:16 (NASB) Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ.


Acts 13:26 (NASB) "Brethren, sons of Abraham’s family, and those among you who fear God, to us the message of this salvation has been sent.

Acts 13:30 (NASB) "But God raised Him from the dead;

Acts 13:33 (NASB) that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ‘YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.’​

Do you think the law was the everlasting covenant or the Abrahamic covenant - the covenant of faith? Why would God need to promise salvation to Jesus?

Galatians 3:8 (NASB) The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU."​

Galatians 3:18 (NASB) For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.​

Galatians 3:19 (NASB) Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.​

The promise of salvation by faith was a promise made to Abraham, but to his seed (singular) meaning Christ. Why would God need to promise Jesus Salvation (righteousness through faith) if Jesus was going to keep his righteousness?
 
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I disagree. The Bible clearly says he did.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Galatians 3:13 (NASB) Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"--

Isaiah 53:6 (NASB) All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.

Numbers 21:8 (NASB)
Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live.”
John 3:14 (NASB) "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;

To redeem is to purchase or exchange. Do you suppose the serpent on the standard was to represent Christ’s righteousness?

Don’t think that Jesus raised himself from the dead by his own power or righteousness. He submitted himself to be raised from the dead by God the Gather through the covenant of faith in order to demonstrate its effectualness.


Hebrews 13:20 (NASB)
Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord,​

Genesis 17:7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your [seed] after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your [seed] after you.​

Galatians 3:16 (NASB) Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ.


Acts 13:26 (NASB) "Brethren, sons of Abraham’s family, and those among you who fear God, to us the message of this salvation has been sent.

Acts 13:30 (NASB) "But God raised Him from the dead;

Acts 13:33 (NASB) that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ‘YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.’​

Do you think the law was the everlasting covenant or the Abrahamic covenant - the covenant of faith? Why would God need to promise salvation to Jesus?

Galatians 3:8 (NASB) The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU."​

Galatians 3:18 (NASB) For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.​

Galatians 3:19 (NASB) Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.​

The promise of salvation by faith was a promise made to Abraham, but to his seed (singular) meaning Christ. Why would God need to promise Jesus Salvation (righteousness through faith) if Jesus was going to keep his righteousness?
The Romans performed the crucifixion not a Torah overseeing priest. A priest that honors Torah know that human sacrifice is an abomination (Leviticus 20:2)
 
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The Romans performed the crucifixion not a Torah overseeing priest. A priest that honors Torah know that human sacrifice is an abomination (Leviticus 20:2)
He wasn’t the “man of God who takes away the sin of the world” but rather “the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” If you wont accept 2 Corinthians 5 and Galatians 3 passages, then your opinion is not based on scripture, but on pride.

Jesus was the priest who offered himself as the lamb... the Romans were not the priest.


John 1:29 (NASB)
The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Hebrews 7:11-28 (NASB) 11 Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. 13 For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests. 15 And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, 16 who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is attested of Him, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK." 18 For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. 20 And inasmuch as it was not without an oath 21 (for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him, "THE LORD HAS SWORN AND WILL NOT CHANGE HIS MIND, ‘YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER’"); 22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant. 23 The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing, 24 but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. 25 Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. 26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.​
 
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Why was Abraham told to offer his son on the altar as a burnt offering?


Because God testing him to see if he would obey Him, even if it meant sacrificing the only thing he wanted in his life. A son; an heir.

...for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”


To also foreshadow the sacrifice of God’s Son on that same mountain.



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He wasn’t the “man of God who takes away the sin of the world” but rather “the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” If you wont accept 2 Corinthians 5 and Galatians 3 passages, then your opinion is not based on scripture, but on pride.

Jesus was the priest who offered himself as the lamb... the Romans were not the priest.


John 1:29 (NASB)
The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Hebrews 7:11-28 (NASB) 11 Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. 13 For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests. 15 And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, 16 who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is attested of Him, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK." 18 For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. 20 And inasmuch as it was not without an oath 21 (for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him, "THE LORD HAS SWORN AND WILL NOT CHANGE HIS MIND, ‘YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER’"); 22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant. 23 The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing, 24 but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. 25 Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. 26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.​
Do you understand that John was the son of a priest? Your understanding of Scripture is not cogent. A priest made a priest by an oath; Abraham was given a promise by an oath. The lesser is blessed by the greater.
 
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What are ordinances?


Requirements.

Example: before the law was added, the Sabbath was a day for man to rest.

The ordinance that came with the law for the Sabbath was death to anyone who violated the Sabbath day, even to gathering sticks to make a fire.


Once the law was abolished, the requirement to stone people to death for working on the Sabbath was abolished.


Not the Sabbath, the ordinance.


Now the Sabbath is a day set aside for man to rest.


Other ordinances included sacrificing animals, Levitical priesthood, food laws, ceremonial washings, feast days, tabernacle and temple requirements, and on and on and on.



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Because God testing him to see if he would obey Him, even if it meant sacrificing the only thing he wanted in his life. A son; an heir.

...for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”


To also foreshadow the sacrifice of God’s Son on that same mountain.



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The Romans crucified Yeshua not Joseph. Abraham was told to offer his son as a burnt offering. Why? Normally a test is given to determine what the student knows. Why was it important to offer up Isaac on the altar?
 
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Requirements.

Example: before the law was added, the Sabbath was a day for man to rest.

The ordinance that came with the law for the Sabbath was death to anyone who violated the Sabbath day, even to gathering sticks to make a fire.


Once the law was abolished, the requirement to stone people to death for working on the Sabbath was abolished.


Not the Sabbath, the ordinance.


Now the Sabbath is a day set aside for man to rest.


Other ordinances included sacrificing animals, Levitical priesthood, food laws, ceremonial washings, feast days, tabernacle and temple requirements, and on and on and on.



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How was the "law of commandments CONTAINED in ordinances"? When you contain something you hold within; you control it. The law of commandments were CONTAINED or held within so that the law could be controlled.
 
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What scripture refers to the law being “contrary” to faith.

Please post it.
You consistently misunderstand what I am saying. The law is not based on faith but the contrary. Faith is based in the law. I never said the law is contrary to faith.
 
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Because God testing him to see if he would obey Him, even if it meant sacrificing the only thing he wanted in his life. A son; an heir.

...for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”


To also foreshadow the sacrifice of God’s Son on that same mountain.



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Also to test Abraham’s faith in the promise, for it says Abraham believed so much in the promise that he thought God would raise Isaac from the dead.

Hebrews 11:17-19 (NASB) 17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son; 18 it was he to whom it was said, "IN ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS SHALL BE CALLED." 19 He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type.​
 
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You consistently misunderstand what I am saying. The law is not based on faith but the contrary. Faith is based in the law. I never said the law is contrary to faith.
The covenant of faith came 430 years before the law.

Galatians 3:6 (NASB) 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
 
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Also to test Abraham’s faith in the promise, for it says Abraham believed so much in the promise that he thought God would raise Isaac from the dead.

Hebrews 11:17-19 (NASB) 17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son; 18 it was he to whom it was said, "IN ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS SHALL BE CALLED." 19 He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type.​
Yes indeed, but that doesn't explain WHY Abraham needed to take this test? Every student in school takes a test; everyone's test many times are different.
 
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The covenant of faith came 430 years before the law.

Galatians 3:6 (NASB) 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
What occurred in Abrahams life that made this particular test perfect for him?
 
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