The ability of God - Does God always get His will done?

Of course not. All sins are violations of His will, resulting from our misuse of the gift of free will He gave us. He could have created us as pre-programmed robots in capable of doing anything other than His will. But He didn't. He allows us the privilege of choosing our our behaviors, good or evil, and receiving the appropriate consequences of our decisions.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

God says otherwise, justly and righteously too.

Somewhere He says "This is the way you can see the difference between WHAT HAPPENS TO those who DO what is right, righteous, and those who do not do what is right, who practice UNrighteousness. "

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The 'somewhere' reference is Malachi 3:18, and it was used unrighteously.
18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.

My answer to Malachi 3:18 is 'Yes, my Lord most High, I can again see the distinction. Thank you for the lesson".

Ahermit said:

The 'somewhere' reference is Malachi 3:18, and it was used unrighteously.
18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.

My answer to Malachi 3:18 is 'Yes, my Lord most High, I can again see the distinction. Thank you for the lesson".

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Yahweh never used His Word unrighteously. Have you ever ? (is this just such a time?)

yeshuaslavejeff said:

In and according to all Scripture, Yahuweh and Yahushua are echad, (one), eternally one, without beginning, not created but self-existent so to speak,
and they new the crucifixion was necessary in the plan of Salvation even
before anything was created.
Christ was thus , as His Word says, "crucified before the world began",
with perfect knowledge of all that would ever happen, and in full agreement Father and Son together, willingly and with no hesitation, knowing also the plan is /was always to show God's Wisdom to all the angels and heavenly beings throughout eternity.

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I agree that there is One God ... that Jesus and the Father are One - but they are distinct. I also agree they share full agreement of will. I think that's something important that is missed (or distorted) in some Christian circles, who imagine some conflict between them, or Christ somehow protecting us from what the Father wants to do to us, etc.

I also agree that the plan of salvation, and that it would be necessary, was fully known and planned by God and essentially even already accomplished (in the sense that something God so wills cannot be thwarted) ... since before man was ever even created.

My concern was with calling the carrying out of that plan "evil".

Not looking to argue with anyone. Just I rarely step into General Theology and wanted to be careful to (hopefully) state whatever I say clearly.

God be with you.

~Anastasia~ said:

My concern was with calling the carrying out of that plan "evil".

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EXCELLENT ! Yes, Yahweh's Plan and actions are NEVER at all sinful nor evil - and cannot be, not even the slightest bit!

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Yahweh's Plan and actions are NEVER at all sinful nor evil - and cannot be, not even the slightest bit!

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This was my concern as well.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Yahweh never used His Word unrighteously. Have you ever ? (is this just such a time?)

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Sorry that you don't hear too well what you read.

God always gets his way. If he wills it, it happens, without exception!

zoidar said:

Would you share the story how you got saved?

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I could, if i had been "saved" but I haven't, I'm being saved.

zoidar said:

I'm starting this thread with a post from Bill. Let us discuss and be kind and understanding.



Good evening Bill! For God everything is possible. I will answer you by an example of God's will and man's will.

Acts 8
25 So, when they had solemnly testified and spoken the word of the Lord, they started back to Jerusalem, and were preaching the gospel to many villages of the Samaritans.
26 But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip saying, “Get up and go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza.” (This is a desert road.) 27 So he got up and went; and there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure; and he had come to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and he was returning and sitting in his chariot, and was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” 30 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 Now the passage of Scripture which he was reading was this:

“HE WAS LED AS A SHEEP TO SLAUGHTER AND AS A LAMB BEFORE ITS SHEARER IS SILENT, SO HE DOES NOT OPEN HIS MOUTH. 33“IN HUMILIATION HIS JUDGMENT WAS TAKEN AWAY; WHO WILL RELATE HIS GENERATION? FOR HIS LIFE IS REMOVED FROM THE EARTH.”

34 The eunuch answered Philip and said, “Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. 36 As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 37 [And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”] 38 And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing.

Now to the question. Let's say when Philip heard the voice of the Holy Spirit and didn't choose to follow the voice. Then the eunuch didn't get the message of Christ and wasn't saved. Who would be to be blamed? God? No, God wanted for Philip to deliver the message to the eunuch and save him. Philip? Yes, he was the one who chose to not follow the voice of Holy Spirit.

This is the situation of God and man. God wants everyone saved, but because of man not everyone is.

Christ love,
Peter

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God could have sent the Holy Spirit directly to eunuch and left Philip out of it, so why did God send Philip?

Do you think it help Philip to grow spiritually to have this experience of teaching the eunuch?

Hello yeshuaslavejeff,

Where does His Word say "crucified before the world began"?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

In and according to all Scripture, Yahuweh and Yahushua are echad, (one), eternally one, without beginning, not created but self-existent so to speak,
and they new the crucifixion was necessary in the plan of Salvation even
before anything was created.
Christ was thus , as His Word says, "crucified before the world began",
with perfect knowledge of all that would ever happen, and in full agreement Father and Son together, willingly and with no hesitation, knowing also the plan is /was always to show God's Wisdom to all the angels and heavenly beings throughout eternity.

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RDKirk said:

You just go into circular reasoning on that path. What is the point?

If God knows what you will do, can you not do what God knows you will do?

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What you are going to do determining what God knows you will do equals free will. God knowing because he determined what you will do equals predestination.

Our sovereign God is in control, but He is not trying to control everything. Think about our life situations and other events around the world, and to the Bible -- and we cannot help but conclude that.

In some situations, the sovereign and mighty God chose people and direct certain situations according to His specific will. The Bible narrated some of these events such as calling of Abraham, giving Israel a land, chose David and Saul as kings, appointed prophets and sending Jesus to atone for sins.

However, there are many many other things that Scripture does not cover -- and of course it won't because they do not pertain to history of ancient Israel or His redemption plan. There are trillions after trillions other events , over the passage of time, thousands of years, one generation after another, throughout the earth, from ancient to modern times, from Asia to Middle East and America, where God does NOT often influence, intervene or direct. Good things, bad things, wars, diseases, accidents, and even different religions, are all permitted by Him. He is large enough to allow things to happen according to people's free will.

Now this does not mean He does not intervene at all, but He does so at certain junctures , at certain times, in a few situations -- in our lives and sone situations around the world -- but certainly NOT usually. This can be verified if we consider real events that happen around us.

I have an avid interests in history, from east to west. Human history is one of triumph and tragedy (in the words of the late President Kennedy). It is inevitable to see that is human will at work, but while God allows many things to happen, i cannot help the His hands in certain situations. A stark example: World War 2 ended with 60 million deaths. Surely this could not be God's conscious plan - - but it all happened within His sovereign will. We can observe that in our personal lives as well. Hence it is important to recognize that God gives us stewardship, and responsibility.

God is in control, but He is NOT trying to control everything. The Bible asserts God's sovereignty strongly. When Scriptures say the Lord determines all things, however it does not literally mean everything. It means that in the overall scheme of things, He is in charge.

Kermos said:

Hello yeshuaslavejeff,

Where does His Word say "crucified before the world began"?

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I googled it to see what came up.
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bling said:

God could have sent the Holy Spirit directly to eunuch and left Philip out of it, so why did God send Philip?

Do you think it help Philip to grow spiritually to have this experience of teaching the eunuch?

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Philip and all the permanent disciples were already light years ahead of people you know today.
He/ they/ simply obeyed the Father.

martymonster said:

God always gets his way. If he wills it, it happens, without exception!

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Yahweh Does Whatever He Pleases...... but sometimes men do not do what He tells them to do.

Noticably, those in the NT who did not repent, did not get immersed , did not accept Jesus as Messiah.