Mixed messages on sin

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It might be your life , or it might belong to Jesus..... which is it ? Your life may be at stake, "as you 'bet' " ?
That's a play on words, we all take our will back every time we sin. You would be lying if you said you haven't sinned in the last hour.
 
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Open the Bible and read where Jesus says that.
Also read where Jesus says that EVERYONE who WANTS to be HIS DISCIPLE , to FOLLOW HIM, must do certain things. (hardly ever seen or done today).
You can try to follow Him as hard as you like, but you will keep on stumbling all the way to the grave.
 
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Open the Bible and read where Jesus says that.
Also read where Jesus says that EVERYONE who WANTS to be HIS DISCIPLE , to FOLLOW HIM, must do certain things. (hardly ever seen or done today).
Our pastor teaches from the Bible, he tells us that Jesus done everything for us. So all we need to do is to trust in His finished work and don't try to add any work to His finished work.
 
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Jesus would never say say that to me, He made me and He knows I'm not perfect. so the question doesn't make any sense
The Question was a direct quote from the bible.....A command Jesus gave to those that would follow Him.

It is impossible for you to become perfect...But with God, all things are possible.

If you do not believe this, then you are correct....you will stubble to your grave.

But this is not true for all.
 
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It is difficult to tell that you are on Jesus Side.

Promoting sin is not what HE Does, nor His children (see 1st John, et al)



You might be bearing false witness here, but no worries..... the whole forum is inundated with false ideas and everyone in the world with internet access can add theirs, for a time.
I fully agree with you, everyone has their own opinion so we can't make anyone agree with ours.
 
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The Question was a direct quote from the bible.....A command Jesus gave to those that would follow Him.

It is impossible for you to become perfect...But with God, all things are possible.

If you do not believe this, then you are correct....you will stubble to your grave.

But this is not true for all.
I get your point but Jesus also lied when He said "I am the door" we know He wasn't made of wood so we have a problem with the Bible.
 
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we all take our will back every time we sin.
Do we? Do you understand the meaning of the original language words translated "sin" in our english versions?
 
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but Jesus also lied when He said "I am the door"
If He lied, (which is a sin) then we are all in big trouble since his sacrifice on the cross is predicated on Him being sinless to atone for our sins. If He sinned, there is no atonement.
 
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Our pastor teaches from the Bible, he tells us that Jesus done everything for us. So all we need to do is to trust in His finished work and don't try to add any work to His finished work.
Your pastor is right - to a point. That point being initial salvation.

but beyond that point - how to walk as a born again believer - he is not correct. We must walk in obedience.
 
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I get your point but Jesus also lied when He said "I am the door" we know He wasn't made of wood so we have a problem with the Bible.
He meant that He is the entrance, way to Heaven....And you must enter through Him.

Behold I Stand at the Door and Knock.....

Through Christ, you can enter heaven.......Now! If you believe, that is.
 
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I've been researching the subject a little bit and I'm confused. When Christians talk of 'our sins' are they talking about the Sin we're born with or the little sins/transgressions that we commit every day? When one is baptised, christened.etc is it our inherited sin we're washing away alone or is it our Sin and our little sins or is it just our little sins and not our inherited Sin?
Original sin is the condition that was caused by Adam and Eve when they disobeyed God's ONE command. This is when the "fall"occurred and human beings were "cut off" from the Holy Spirit, God. This "cut off" was the separation caused by one sinful act. After this only a remnant of faithful persons were able to remain in a connective state through the centuries like Noah, Abraham, Moses etc. When Jesus Christ of Nazareth restored the relationship between The Father and the human race through His death, resurrection and ascension, there was a reset. In other words, He made the final payment for that original sin and sin altogether. Anyone who believes in Him, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, can have salvation which will restore the Holy Spirit and the relationship once lost through Adam and Eve. Original sin has been defeated however there is a path one must take to be "born again" in order to partake in the reset. Those who choose to reject Him will not be re-born thus not have access to the Kingdom of God. Belief is essential for restoration. The innocent, children, mentally ill etc. have security.

Scripture clearly states that John the Baptist contrasted his work, baptism by water, with the work of Christ, baptism in the Holy Spirit. Water baptism washes nothing away. The "Living Waters" of re-birth through HIS Holy Spirit is the everlasting washing of sins that brings us into "The Body of Christ". Though as Christians we will sin, we repent from that sin because we recognize what sin is through the urging and conviction of the Spirit. The Holy Spirit helps us stay on the narrow road that leads to the narrow gate and connects us with our Creator forever.

Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Be blessed
 
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I've been researching the subject a little bit and I'm confused. When Christians talk of 'our sins' are they talking about the Sin we're born with or the little sins/transgressions that we commit every day? When one is baptised, christened.etc is it our inherited sin we're washing away alone or is it our Sin and our little sins or is it just our little sins and not our inherited Sin?

Hi Doubting Brutus,

We are speaking of the sins we have committed. We are all born with a sinful nature, but it is out of that sinful nature that we act = commit sin.

Water baptism, Christening, or any other religious activity does not wash away anyone's sins. Our sins are forgiven when we trust Jesus Christ for what He did for us on the cross when He died in our place and took our punishment upon Himself. He paid the price for our sins with His blood, but we only receive His forgiveness and salvation (or it only gets "credited to our account") when we place our faith in Him for it.

Does that help clarify things for you?
 
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Hi Doubting Brutus,

We are speaking of the sins we have committed. We are all born with a sinful nature, but it is out of that sinful nature that we act = commit sin.

Water baptism, Christening, or any other religious activity does not wash away anyone's sins. Our sins are forgiven when we trust Jesus Christ for what He did for us on the cross when He died in our place and took our punishment upon Himself. He paid the price for our sins with His blood, but we only receive His forgiveness and salvation (or it only gets "credited to our account") when we place our faith in Him for it.

Does that help clarify things for you?

I think so, is that the case for most protestant denominations and Roman Catholic? Its already been pointed out to me that the Eastern Orthodox church takes a different view.
 
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I think so, is that the case for most protestant denominations and Roman Catholic? Its already been pointed out to me that the Eastern Orthodox church takes a different view.

Yes, for most protestant denominations. The Roman Catholic Church (official doctrine) takes a different view.

But no matter the denomination, it only matters what God says in His Written Word (the Bible). :)
 
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I've been researching the subject a little bit and I'm confused. When Christians talk of 'our sins' are they talking about the Sin we're born with or the little sins/transgressions that we commit every day? When one is baptised, christened.etc is it our inherited sin we're washing away alone or is it our Sin and our little sins or is it just our little sins and not our inherited Sin?

There are different perspectives, as can be seen in this thread.

As I'm Lutheran I'll offer the Lutheran position. In Baptism God Himself takes hold of us, unites us to Jesus Christ and what Christ has done--His death and resurrection. Thus through Baptism the Holy Spirit appropriates to us the saving work of Christ and thus all of our sins are washed away, since Christ died for the sins of the whole world, for all sin.

As such in Baptism we are regenerated, born again, given new identity and new life in Jesus Christ. As such all of the former things which formerly condemned us, our sins--both the concupiscence (the sinful disposition) which we were born with as fallen human creatures as well as all of our personal sins--are washed away, and we have been purified, cleansed, by God's grace and Christ's work. But Baptism doesn't apply only to our former sins, but to all of our sins. Baptism brings that new identity and new life, and so our whole lives, all that we are, is brought through the water--our past, our present, and our future. So in Baptism even our future sins are washed away by the atoning blood of Jesus.

This is not a "get out of jail free" card, but a promise from God to us, that no matter how weak and frail we are, no matter how many times we may mess up, there's simply nothing we can do that can change God's love toward us. Forgiveness is freely given, not earned. Forgiveness is ours before we ask; forgiveness is ours before we even know about it, we are forgiven because God graciously loves the whole world, and through Christ chooses to reconcile the world to Himself in that love and grace. It is by grace, not works, that we are saved.

As such, as Lutherans, we are regularly encouraged to remember our baptism. Through a life of repentance we are mindful of our shortcomings, but never destroyed by them; having God's word and promise that we are forgiven, and so can walk forward in grace. We remember our baptism because it was there that God met us and took hold of us, and so our life has been set free in the liberty of Christ. From our first cry to our last breath on this earth. All that we are, everything we have, is from God who graciously and lovingly has given Himself freely to us in Jesus, through Holy Baptism.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I think so, is that the case for most protestant denominations and Roman Catholic? Its already been pointed out to me that the Eastern Orthodox church takes a different view.

In the 16th century there were, we could say, three "Reformations". Historians make a distinction between the Magisterial Reformation, the Radical Reformation, and the English Reformation.

The Magisterial Reformation is the one that is generally thought of when "Protestant Reformation" is mentioned, it refers to the reform movement which began with Martin Luther. Broadly the Magisterial Reformation was the work to reform the Catholic Church from the inside. None of the Reformers wanted to break away from Rome and start some new religious movement. In fact, from the Lutheran POV we never ceased to be Catholic. But in addition to Lutherans, the Magisterial Reformation also refers to the Reformed branch of Protestantism whose influential leaders include John Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli, and John Knox.

The Radical Reformation refers to a fairly loose collection of very different groups and movements, the one thing they tended to have in common was they believed in a radical break with the historic, established Church. Hence the "radical" part. The most successful of these groups were the Anabaptist followers of Menno Simmons, today known as the Mennonites (the Amish being a splinter group from the Mennonites). The reason they were called Anabaptists is because they re-baptized themselves, anabaptist means "re-baptizer". They rejected the baptism of infants and children, and that only believing adults should be baptized as a public profession of faith and identity to the Christian community. Similar views were later expressed in other Protestant groups which arose in the 17th and 18th centuries, such as the Baptists.

The English Reformation refers to the history of the English Church after King Henry VIII broke from Rome and the Church of England became independent. Resulting in Anglicanism.

Later Protestant groups arose largely as outgrowths and schisms from the aforementioned traditions. I mentioned the Baptists already, which arose in England in the 17th century as one of several Non-Conforming Separatist groups (that is, not conforming with and desiring to separate themselves from the Church of England).

Protestantism has, over the last few hundred years continued to diversify. But by and large every group today can be traced back through these traditions and influences.

So it becomes very difficult to speak of "most Protestants" given the sheer diversity that exists under the "Protestant" umbrella.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I've been researching the subject a little bit and I'm confused. When Christians talk of 'our sins' are they talking about the Sin we're born with or the little sins/transgressions that we commit every day? When one is baptised, christened.etc is it our inherited sin we're washing away alone or is it our Sin and our little sins or is it just our little sins and not our inherited Sin?

On the Catholic view it is both. You can read more about the Catholic understanding of baptism here:

1279 The fruit of Baptism, or baptismal grace, is a rich reality that includes forgiveness of original sin and all personal sins, birth into the new life by which man becomes an adoptive son of the Father, a member of Christ and a temple of the Holy Spirit. By this very fact the person baptized is incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ, and made a sharer in the priesthood of Christ.​
 
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