Teacher Fired After Shaming 5th Grader for Having Two Dads

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You know something? If others were as unforgiving toward you as you are toward that teacher, to say you hope such a one does not ever teach again (which elicits even the allowance to do so), I dare say that you would then understand how unjust that is. What if others said to you that they hope you never drive again after one speeding ticket? Would that make you feel they are forgiving, or unforgiving?

Some of you people who slam others so easily for their sins, walking about mostly blind because of the massive planks in your own eyes, need to get a grip on yourselves and clean out the planks in your eyes.

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Not every one is suited to every job.

If your so filled with hate that you must go on a diatribe condemning a child's adoptive parents - to the child when your in a position of authority over them - then it seems you don't have the temperament to have that same authority.

Kids are precious commodities, and God holds a special place for them in His heart. How much damage did that teacher do to this child's spiritual future?

Do you think this child is going to run toward a God that he now sees as hateful toward the very people who showed him the only love he's ever known?

Or do you think this only serves to push him away from God?

Theres a time for everything, and this absolutely wasn't the time, or the way, to explain sin to this child.
 
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I hardly think that being a jerk by embarrassing a kid rises to the level of child abuse. Bringing one's opinions on social constructs into the classroom and foisting them on students is bad. Doing that as a means to embarrass a kid is worse. Dismissal for that is appropriate. A lifetime sentence for doing that is cruel and unusual punishment. I find it strange that Christians would advocate for interminable punishment and complete withholding of forgiveness. If I were to express the desire to have this single instance of poor behavior be held against this teacher forever, then for me to to ask Grace for myself would seem to be a bit hypocritical.
Forgiving someone doesn't actually mean acting as if what they did never happened. I can forgive someone who wrongs me, but that doesn't mean I have to trust them again.

If a teacher, someone who I am allowing to be a large influence in the life of my child, someone who I am trusting to educate, protect, and serve as a role model for my child goes and does something like this teacher did - you better believe I will never trust them as a teacher again. Does that mean if they come to me and ask me for forgiveness that I would withhold it? Of course not. But does that mean that if I forgive them that I am required to trust them again after exposing their true character? No, not it doesn't.

This is just another reminder for why I think we made the right choice to homeschool our children.
 
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You completely misrepresented what I said. Please go back and read what I actually said.

I misrepresented nothing. Here is exactly what you said: "You know something? If others were as unforgiving toward you as you are toward that teacher, to say you hope such a one does not ever teach again (which elicits even the allowance to do so), I dare say that you would then understand how unjust that is."

What? Do you seriously think that the kid is such a weak little snowflake that he can't recover from a criticism of something over which he has no control? Many children have been through FAR worse in life, and have risen up above it all and lived on into productive and meaningful lives. Why assume the worst about that kid?

We don't know what the long-term effect of this teacher's actions will be on this child. Therefore I'm going to look out for the child's welfare. A number of posters have agreed with me on this, none thus far have agreed with you. Perhaps that is a sign that you need to reexamine your position.

What you're failing to recognize in all this is that the teacher can change her attitudes and way of dealing with controversial subjects such as active homosexuals allowed to be parents. She was indeed wrong to take it out on the kid, but to bar her from ever teaching again on that basis....as a permanent indictment leveled against her entire future career? You are being VERY extreme to say she should be barred from ever teaching again. Don't you get it?

There is nothing extreme about putting the welfare of the child ahead of the employment of the teacher.

Not where the severity of punishment is concerned. I can expect one of those hate-mongering, unforgiving liberals out there spewing their venom against a God-fearing person for making a mistake, but to meet out a punishment that YOU would consider unjust if applied to you in the same measure you're shelling it out to others, the resulting reaction from you is fairly predicable.

There is a big difference between what she did to this child and going 60 in a 55 zone. Again, I'm not seeing any other posters agreeing with you.
 
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When my daughter was in the same grade she went through a similar experience with a teacher in her school, except it wasn't over my sins, it was over her belief in God.

Hello Hazel,

I would say that your daughter's bad experience and the experience in this thread are two different things.

It has been said that you must really hate someone not to tell them the truth.

When your daughter said God exists, she was speaking truth.

When the other child said that two men can be married, they were telling a lie. We cannot allow young children to be subjected to lies.

Let a righteous man strike me--that is a kindness; let him rebuke me--that is oil on my head. My head will not refuse it, for my prayer will still be against the deeds of evildoers (Psalm 141:5)


God Bless :)
 
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Not every one is suited to every job.

If your so filled with hate that you must go on a diatribe condemning a child's adoptive parents - to the child when your in a position of authority over them - then it seems you don't have the temperament to have that same authority.

I have agreed that she was indeed in the wrong. However, to lay the blame at the feet of temperament, I'm fine with that too so long as we don't go to the extent of life-long condemnation like that other person did. If our sins were to become life-long condemnations of us all, then we would all be homeless and bereft of anything meaningful for living.

Kids are precious commodities, and God holds a special place for them in His heart. How much damage did that teacher do to this child's spiritual future?

We can also ask how resilient has that kid become as a result. If all we do is look at the worst case scenario as the answer-all for our reaction to possible results arising from the sins of others, then we become the very workers of iniquity God hates. If we are to believe what God Himself said when He inspired it to be written that ALL things work to the good for those who love God and are called according to His purposes, then issues such as this can be seen from a more holistic vantage point. Why not let God be the one to deal with that teacher and that child, as well as the wicked men he/she considers as "parents"? I can disagree with what someone else did without condemning them for life from a profession. Fired from that school, yes. How much more damage will be done to that child when taught by that school that the two "daddies" are living a wholesome, good life together?

In other words, every issue is most generally a multi-faceted stone rather than a single-faced one. The narrow-mindedness of far leftist, liberal thought on selective issues like this are cause for me to point out the obvious errors in their thinking.

Do you think this child is going to run toward a God that he now sees as hateful toward the very people who showed him the only love he's ever known?

Why are you condemning that child to the gutters of knee jerk reactionism against God. He knew good and well it was not God speaking to him. Come on! Let's keep a level head here. How about how he will see other teachers? Let's be more worried about him being convinced that his two daddies are living wholesome lives in the midst of what we know to be a perverse lifestyle. That teacher, in her wrong, opened up far worse avenues for the infusion of the corruption fed into that kid's mind with the leftist, liberal agenda that is presently destroying our youth with their wicked and evil beliefs.

Or do you think this only serves to push him away from God?

We can pretty much rest assured that he has already been fed, before that event, with copious amounts of what has already pushed him away from God. Why not pray for him, and rest in the assurance that God will do as He promised? Where is YOUR faith? Do your prayers bounce off the ceiling, thus going nowhere? This should be an opportunity for us ALL to pray for that student AND that teacher, that they BOTH may be planted in better soils of life so that they can BOTH work toward serving God more effectively than before, becoming stronger in their faith toward God, and thus doing works that are consistent with God's will for them.

Theres a time for everything, and this absolutely wasn't the time, or the way, to explain sin to this child.

On the surface of things, I can agree with you. However, you do not sit upon the Throne of God, for which I am thankful. God is perfectly just, and allowing Him to meet out what is within His good pleasure is absolutely just, for which I am even more thankful. For crying out loud, if God gave to YOU what YOU deserve, which goes for us all, we would ALL be dead long ago. Let's step down off that high and mighty horse of ours, and let God be God. (Notice that I included myself in that since I am far from perfect myself.)

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When the other child said that two men can be married, they were telling a lie. We cannot allow young children to be subjected to lies.
I don't recall the child saying that two men can be married. The child, on Thanksgiving, simply shared that he, as a child that had to endure the foster system, was thankful that he was being adopted. He didn't give some dissertation on homosexual marriage. The child told no lie. He said he was thankful that he was being adopted. And good on him, as a foster parent I can say that what some of these children endure is horrendous, he should be thankful that he's found stability and being adopted by people that actually want him.

Most people here are completely ignorant to how the foster system works and what children go through that are in it. I can tell you that it's usually a really long and drawn out process before the state is willing to terminate parental rights. These children can bounce from foster family to foster family, can bounce in and out of foster care, can be torn apart from siblings, etc etc... Most Americans are happy to live ignorantly of what goes on with our nation's youngest.

This foster child was thankful he was being adopted. The teacher should not have done what she did. She was in the wrong. The child was innocent.
 
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Hello Hazel,

I would say that your daughter's bad experience and the experience in this thread are two different things.

It has been said that you must really hate someone not to tell them the truth.

When your daughter said God exists, she was speaking truth.

When the other child said that two men can be married, they were telling a lie. We cannot allow young children to be subjected to lies.

Let a righteous man strike me--that is a kindness; let him rebuke me--that is oil on my head. My head will not refuse it, for my prayer will still be against the deeds of evildoers (Psalm 141:5)


God Bless :)
Actually, two men can be married-that was decided by the Supreme Court in 2015. Whether or not the teacher (or you) agrees with it is a separate issue. At any rate, berating a child in front of his or her peers for something the child has no control over is unacceptable behavior whatever her beliefs.
 
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Actually, two men can be married-

Actually two men cannot be married according to the word of God.

The teacher did right to confront perversion being taught in her class. May the Lord reward her for her faithfulness to his word, and He surely will.
 
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I have agreed that she was indeed in the wrong. However, to lay the blame at the feet of temperament, I'm fine with that too so long as we don't go to the extent of life-long condemnation like that other person did. If our sins were to become life-long condemnations of us all, then we would all be homeless and bereft of anything meaningful for living.

I never suggested that she be condemned her for life. I never suggested that she loose her home or be made "bereft of anything meaningful for living." I said that she should be removed from teaching. There are many other professions out there.

We can also ask how resilient has that kid become as a result. If all we do is look at the worst case scenario as the answer-all for our reaction to possible results arising from the sins of others, then we become the very workers of iniquity God hates. If we are to believe what God Himself said when He inspired it to be written that ALL things work to the good for those who love God and are called according to His purposes, then issues such as this can be seen from a more holistic vantage point.

So embarrassing a young boy is proper according to the "holistic vantage point"?

Why not let God be the one to deal with that teacher and that child

Why not let God be the one to deal with murderers instead of getting the police and courts involved?

as well as the wicked men he/she considers as "parents"?

Yes, they are sinners. So am I. So are you. How do you know that they are wicked? In any event this teacher did not publicly humiliate the parents, she publicly humiliated the child.

I can disagree with what someone else did without condemning them for life from a profession.

This teacher removed herself from teaching by her actions.

How much more damage will be done to that child when taught by that school that the two "daddies" are living a wholesome, good life together?

How much damage would be done had he remained a foster child and continually bounced from home to home?

In other words, every issue is most generally a multi-faceted stone rather than a single-faced one. The narrow-mindedness of far leftist, liberal thought on selective issues like this are cause for me to point out the obvious errors in their thinking.

Then why isn't everyone agreeing with you here?

Why are you condemning that child to the gutters of knee jerk reactionism against God. He knew good and well it was not God speaking to him. Come on! Let's keep a level head here. How about how he will see other teachers? Let's be more worried about him being convinced that his two daddies are living wholesome lives in the midst of what we know to be a perverse lifestyle. That teacher, in her wrong, opened up far worse avenues for the infusion of the corruption fed into that kid's mind with the leftist, liberal agenda that is presently destroying our youth with their wicked and evil beliefs.

Again, just allow foster children to bounce around in the system. It really can't hurt them, right?

We can pretty much rest assured that he has already been fed, before that event, with copious amounts of what has already pushed him away from God.

And you know that how???

Why not pray for him, and rest in the assurance that God will do as He promised? Where is YOUR faith? Do your prayers bounce off the ceiling, thus going nowhere? This should be an opportunity for us ALL to pray for that student AND that teacher, that they BOTH may be planted in better soils of life so that they can BOTH work toward serving God more effectively than before, becoming stronger in their faith toward God, and thus doing works that are consistent with God's will for them.

Ah yes, lets pray that this teacher be permitted to remain in the profession and continue humiliating children.

On the surface of things, I can agree with you. However, you do not sit upon the Throne of God, for which I am thankful. God is perfectly just, and allowing Him to meet out what is within His good pleasure is absolutely just, for which I am even more thankful. For crying out loud, if God gave to YOU what YOU deserve, which goes for us all, we would ALL be dead long ago. Let's step down off that high and mighty horse of ours, and let God be God. (Notice that I included myself in that since I am far from perfect myself.)

So just let this teacher continue to embarrass young people...
 
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Actually two men cannot be married according to the word of God.

The teacher did right to confront perversion being taught in her class. May the Lord reward her for her faithfulness to his word, and He surely will.
Matthew 18:10 says "See that you do not despise one of these little ones..." The teacher obviously despises same sex marriage (her prerogative) but took it out on a CHILD (not her prerogative).
 
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The teacher did right to confront perversion being taught in her class. May the Lord reward her for her faithfulness to his word, and He surely will.

No, the teacher had no business humiliating this young man. If she wanted to disagree with the parents in a parent-teacher meeting that would be different.
 
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I hardly think that being a jerk by embarrassing a kid rises to the level of child abuse. Bringing one's opinions on social constructs into the classroom and foisting them on students is bad. Doing that as a means to embarrass a kid is worse. Dismissal for that is appropriate. A lifetime sentence for doing that is cruel and unusual punishment. I find it strange that Christians would advocate for interminable punishment and complete withholding of forgiveness. If I were to express the desire to have this single instance of poor behavior be held against this teacher forever, then for me to to ask Grace for myself would seem to be a bit hypocritical.
Embarrassing?
A child got told by a teacher that told his family wasn't a family that his family was disgusting and that he should hate his own parents and that his classmates should treat him with hate and contempt because he deserves to be treated that way. The teacher went on to imply that she could stop the adoption process and end the child's family. And when the principal intervened and tried to remove the teacher from the room she continued to hurl insults at the child and went on to blame the child for her removal referring to the 11 year old as "sick and perverted".

That isn't embarrassing its abuse and if this had happened to your child you would be calling it abuse as well.
 
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Kids are precious commodities, and God holds a special place for them in His heart. How much damage did that teacher do to this child's spiritual future?


Where did you get the in idea that God holds a special place in His heart for kids or that kids are any more precious commodities than adults? Every human being is precious and one is not more precious as a child then as an adult. I don't think God cared more for me when I was a child than He does now.

The teacher's inappropriate behavior cannot damage the child's spiritual future. No one has the power to do that.
 
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A child got told by a teacher that told his family wasn't a family that his family was disgusting and that he should hate his own parents and that his classmates should treat him with hate and contempt because he deserves to be treated that way. The teacher went on to imply that she could stop the adoption process and end the child's family. And when the principal intervened and tried to remove the teacher from the room she continued to hurl insults at the child and went on to blame the child for her removal referring to the 11 year old as "sick and perverted".

That isn't embarrassing its abuse and if this had happened to your child you would be calling it abuse as well.

I do not know if you have a different source for what you say the teacher said but the article the OP has provided is all the information I have had to base my opinion on. In that article all I read that she is quorted as having said was .

"She told her class that “homosexuality is wrong” and “two men living together is a sin.” After the lecture, she looked at the 11-year-old boy, and told him “That’s nothing to be thankful for.”. "

If she said "You should hate your parents." or told his classmates "Treat him with contempt because he deserves to be treated that way " , called the child "sick and perverted" or if she implied that she had the power to stop the adoption from taking place., I did not see that in the article provided and it would certainly change my opinion of the teacher's actions from being simply inappropriate to being abusive.
 
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Hello Hazel,

I would say that your daughter's bad experience and the experience in this thread are two different things.

It has been said that you must really hate someone not to tell them the truth.

When your daughter said God exists, she was speaking truth.

When the other child said that two men can be married, they were telling a lie. We cannot allow young children to be subjected to lies.

Let a righteous man strike me--that is a kindness; let him rebuke me--that is oil on my head. My head will not refuse it, for my prayer will still be against the deeds of evildoers (Psalm 141:5)


God Bless :)

There is a time and place for everything - and classroom isn't a Sunday school anymore than its a place to indoctrinate children into atheism or Marxism..

Let moral questions be up to parents, let the morality of society be dictated by it's voters.

Lying to a child is far different than handing out sermon lectures in class. If it was a religious school? Sure.. but public schools are public.

Live the love of Christ for other's unless and until they ask you questions. I'm not saying a teacher should hide her faith - but there's an appropriate time and place to share that faith.

I disagree that a public school is that place. If we don't want the opposing team influencing our own children behind our backs in the classroom, why should we hold a different standard for ourselves?

Because we are right? That's neither here nor there in a secular society.. they think they are right too.

Again, there's a time and place for everything - the classroom isn't it.
 
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I do not know if you have a different source for what you say the teacher said but the article the OP has provided is all the information I have had to base my opinion on. In that article all I read that she is quorted as having said was .

"She told her class that “homosexuality is wrong” and “two men living together is a sin.” After the lecture, she looked at the 11-year-old boy, and told him “That’s nothing to be thankful for.”. "

If she said "You should hate your parents." or told his classmates "Treat him with contempt because he deserves to be treated that way " , called the child "sick and perverted" or if she implied that she had the power to stop the adoption from taking place., I did not see that in the article provided and it would certainly change my opinion of the teacher's actions from being simply inappropriate to being abusive.
many other news sources have picked up the story and over time details emerge. The Salt Lake Tribune, Rasmussen, the Washington post have all been following and updating the story
 
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many other news sources have picked up the story and over time details emerge. The Salt Lake Tribune, Rasmussen, the Washington post have all been following and updating the story

Perhaps you could link to the article that included the things you saw so I and everyone here would be better informed and be better able to express an educated opinion?
 
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The child was not being corrected because of the wickedness of his parents. He was being corrected for chirping about that wickedness in the class.

How dare a child be thankful that they have a loving home to be part of.

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for those who have said that the teacher was right for doing this, there was a report on NPR this morning. Studies have shown that foster children who are not adopted like this child was and age out of the system are more likely to wind up doing jail time or becoming homeless or pregnant.

Report: Foster Kids Face Tough Times After Age 18
 
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