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Hello, I was watching supernatural with sid roth, you know the christian tv-show sort of, I noticed something among the audience, yes, they all look brainwashed sort of, I don`t mean you thinking they are when you see them, but they reflect what others think of them over a long time and with body Language, I was thinking then, if they really believes in a supernatural god, why don`t they look just normal? I understand they reflect what others think of them, but why do they reflect it back if they really believe?

I watch his show quite a lot and it looks to me like most of his audience are truly impressed by the vast majority of his guests.

This is a good one......


Oops....we can't even see the audience in this particular episode.
 
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I sort of differ a little in my views of the world, if everything is energy really I sort of look at that fact and feel Comfort, I haven`t sensed a god yet or some sort of higher intelligence somewhere, but I understand you guys do so, perhaps I can learn something from you about faith also
Ok, cool. We believe in a personal, relational God, whose dominant characteristic is love. We believe that the One who made us must be of a higher order than we. I think the premise of Roth's show is to demonstrate the reality of a world beyond the strictly material. And if that world exists, the possibility of God existing just grew exponentially.
 
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Hello, I was watching supernatural with sid roth, you know the christian tv-show sort of, I noticed something among the audience, yes, they all look brainwashed sort of, I don`t mean you thinking they are when you see them, but they reflect what others think of them over a long time and with body Language, I was thinking then, if they really believes in a supernatural god, why don`t they look just normal? I understand they reflect what others think of them, but why do they reflect it back if they really believe?
Any people "looking brainwashed" is someone's opinion. Usually from those who think Christians are just weird to begin with.. so it's not like it comes from people who make a distinction between one group of Christians and another.

If the picture was generic.. not plastered with the name of a Christian church or tv show name.. isolated from the Christian host in view..

then the audience wouldn't really look any different than what someone would call "a normal group of people".

Your own preconceived ideas are showing.
 
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I sort of differ a little in my views of the world, if everything is energy really I sort of look at that fact and feel Comfort, I haven`t sensed a god yet or some sort of higher intelligence somewhere, but I understand you guys do so, perhaps I can learn something from you about faith also

God isn't something to be "sensed" nor observed with your eyes. Though evidence is everywhere when you take into account everyday things you see. Your body is made too perfectly to be left to evolution. When you get to the very detail of your body, the process your blood goes through, it would be too hard to even fathom evolution as valid. Romans 1:20-22

All the Old Testament books, history/events were to prepare the way for one person, one situation. Christ, his death on the cross for our sins and the establishment of his kingdom. The bible was directed to be made from God himself to about 40 different authors in the span of thousands of years. 2 Timothy 3:16

Surprisingly with so many authors, one would surely find discrepancies or contradictions. However, the bible has not had any contradictions or discrepancies.

Historically, the bible has had uncanny accuracy as well validating it even further. Secular writers such as Josephus, even support the bible as correct and accurate.

Nevertheless, the bible was prepared for us. It contains many witnesses 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 for example. Jesus was validated by all the people who seen and accounted for the events in the NT [John 20:30-31; Mark 16:20 examples].

The bibles completion though has ended the supernatural events as promised when Paul states 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 see also Ephesians 4:10-13. "That which is perfect" is the scriptures 2 Timothy 3:16.

Miracles were only used to confirm the word and prove Jesus was the messiah Mark 16:20 for example. Now that we have the bible, no more proof was needed.

Jesus describes a little sample here in John 20:29.

So, it will take faith on your part. What is the faith I speak of?

Hebrews 11:1 - Substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (assurance, confidence and conviction with reference to things hoped for)

Romans 10:9-10 - Originates in the heart

Romans 10:16- yielding to Gods will

James 1:22; 2:17-26 - Not faith only

This is a choice you will have to make for yourself and whether your willing to yield control over to God.
 
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God isn't something to be "sensed" nor observed with your eyes. Though evidence is everywhere when you take into account everyday things you see. Your body is made too perfectly to be left to evolution. When you get to the very detail of your body, the process your blood goes through, it would be too hard to even fathom evolution as valid. Romans 1:20-22

All the Old Testament books, history/events were to prepare the way for one person, one situation. Christ, his death on the cross for our sins and the establishment of his kingdom. The bible was directed to be made from God himself to about 40 different authors in the span of thousands of years. 2 Timothy 3:16

Surprisingly with so many authors, one would surely find discrepancies or contradictions. However, the bible has not had any contradictions or discrepancies.

Historically, the bible has had uncanny accuracy as well validating it even further. Secular writers such as Josephus, even support the bible as correct and accurate.

Nevertheless, the bible was prepared for us. It contains many witnesses 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 for example. Jesus was validated by all the people who seen and accounted for the events in the NT [John 20:30-31; Mark 16:20 examples].

The bibles completion though has ended the supernatural events as promised when Paul states 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 see also Ephesians 4:10-13. "That which is perfect" is the scriptures 2 Timothy 3:16.

Miracles were only used to confirm the word and prove Jesus was the messiah Mark 16:20 for example. Now that we have the bible, no more proof was needed.

Jesus describes a little sample here in John 20:29.

So, it will take faith on your part. What is the faith I speak of?

Hebrews 11:1 - Substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (assurance, confidence and conviction with reference to things hoped for)

Romans 10:9-10 - Originates in the heart

Romans 10:16- yielding to Gods will

James 1:22; 2:17-26 - Not faith only

This is a choice you will have to make for yourself and whether your willing to yield control over to God.

but, isn`t it strange you can`t sense him anywhere, how does he hide that well?
 
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Hello, I was watching supernatural with sid roth, you know the christian tv-show sort of, I noticed something among the audience, yes, they all look brainwashed sort of, I don`t mean you thinking they are when you see them, but they reflect what others think of them over a long time and with body Language, I was thinking then, if they really believes in a supernatural god, why don`t they look just normal? I understand they reflect what others think of them, but why do they reflect it back if they really believe?

There's a reason I tend to ignore "Christian tv shows". I'm not saying there isn't, hypothetically, good content out there. But the vast majority of the stuff from big ostensibly Christian networks is, well, total rubbish.

But, no, the appearance of an audience isn't itself proof of anything.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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but, isn`t it strange you can`t sense him anywhere, how does he hide that well?

No. Not so strange at all to me (about not sensing Him). As I understand it, it is a "spiritual" realm of a sort. Best it could be explained to us.

Examples:
John 18:36
Ephesians 1:21
Colossians 1:16

Also, I wouldn't really use the word "hiding". Though, maybe not hiding from those who obey Him and His commands given to us from scripture.

“Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear” (Isaiah 59:1-2).

To quote someone
"There are times we may feel God is hiding from us when in fact He is not. For example, we may be going through a great trial in our lives and do not see how God is helping us through that trial. During such times, we may feel God is hiding from us. As one reads the book of Job, we see Job felt God was hiding from him as he was afflicted with great pain and suffering. Job cried out to God, “Why do You hide Your face, and regard me as Your enemy?” (Job 13:24). However, God was not hiding from Job. God knew exactly what was happening to Job and he loved and esteemed Job as His faithful servant. God had allowed Satan to afflict Job to show Satan that Job was a great servant of the Lord who would remain faithful in spite of the pain Satan afflicted upon Job (Job 2:3-6).

On the other hand, as the opening verses above show, God may actually be hiding His face from us because of our sin and rebellion (Isaiah 59:1-2). God’s people of Isaiah’s day were refusing to repent of the sins which they had committed. In fact, they had become so ensnared by sin that they simply accepted it as a part of their lives. Notice how far God says they had become enslaved in sin: “For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perversity. No one calls for justice, nor does any plead for truth. They trust in empty words and speak lies; they conceive evil and bring forth iniquity” (Isaiah 59:3-4)."

If you truly are interested, the best place you can find your answers is just to pick up the bible and read it.
 
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No. Not so strange at all to me (about not sensing Him). As I understand it, it is a "spiritual" realm of a sort. Best it could be explained to us.

Examples:
John 18:36
Ephesians 1:21
Colossians 1:16

Also, I wouldn't really use the word "hiding". Though, maybe not hiding from those who obey Him and His commands given to us from scripture.

“Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear” (Isaiah 59:1-2).

To quote someone
"There are times we may feel God is hiding from us when in fact He is not. For example, we may be going through a great trial in our lives and do not see how God is helping us through that trial. During such times, we may feel God is hiding from us. As one reads the book of Job, we see Job felt God was hiding from him as he was afflicted with great pain and suffering. Job cried out to God, “Why do You hide Your face, and regard me as Your enemy?” (Job 13:24). However, God was not hiding from Job. God knew exactly what was happening to Job and he loved and esteemed Job as His faithful servant. God had allowed Satan to afflict Job to show Satan that Job was a great servant of the Lord who would remain faithful in spite of the pain Satan afflicted upon Job (Job 2:3-6).

On the other hand, as the opening verses above show, God may actually be hiding His face from us because of our sin and rebellion (Isaiah 59:1-2). God’s people of Isaiah’s day were refusing to repent of the sins which they had committed. In fact, they had become so ensnared by sin that they simply accepted it as a part of their lives. Notice how far God says they had become enslaved in sin: “For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perversity. No one calls for justice, nor does any plead for truth. They trust in empty words and speak lies; they conceive evil and bring forth iniquity” (Isaiah 59:3-4)."

If you truly are interested, the best place you can find your answers is just to pick up the bible and read it.

I`ve been thinking about reading the bible actually, good Readings, but I still have a question, let`s say a human being has evolved to be kinder than Jesus, does he still have to obey him? I mean, if a human being is kinder than him and give others better feeling than him, does he still have to follow him?
 
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I`ve been thinking about reading the bible actually, good Readings, but I still have a question, let`s say a human being has evolved to be kinder than Jesus, does he still have to obey him? I mean, if a human being is kinder than him and give others better feeling than him, does he still have to follow him?

  • Yes, reading the bible and analyzing everything for your study would be most beneficial and answer most, if not all, of your questions.
  • A person kinder than Jesus? From my studies in scripture, and the faith I have, I would find that impossible. I can't even give any hypothetical nor play into any.

I'm not sure how much you know, and it may be confusing at first, but when you read scripture, you find out there is something called a "Godhead". You may hear people refer to this as the "trinity". It is God, in 3 persons. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

You find out in scripture that all 3 are one in the same, but have different tasks.

Jesus happens to be God the Son. No matter how you cut it though, Jesus is indeed God (See John 1). And if you really study John 1, you see that Jesus was around since the creation. So, Jesus being God, couldn't be just any normal person, nor be out done by any person ever, regardless if there was such a thing as an evolutionary upgrade in humans.

If there was ever such a thing as some sort of evolutionary upgrade to humans, we would still have our human nature to sin as we are not perfect nor can be perfect (this knowledge could come by studying the bible). Therefore, yes, one would still have to obey God and follow/be in Christ Jesus (saved through Christs sacrifice and our obedience to what pertains to our salvation).
 
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  • Yes, reading the bible and analyzing everything for your study would be most beneficial and answer most, if not all, of your questions.
  • A person kinder than Jesus? From my studies in scripture, and the faith I have, I would find that impossible. I can't even give any hypothetical nor play into any.
I'm not sure how much you know, and it may be confusing at first, but when you read scripture, you find out there is something called a "Godhead". You may hear people refer to this as the "trinity". It is God, in 3 persons. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

You find out in scripture that all 3 are one in the same, but have different tasks.

Jesus happens to be God the Son. No matter how you cut it though, Jesus is indeed God (See John 1). And if you really study John 1, you see that Jesus was around since the creation. So, Jesus being God, couldn't be just any normal person, nor be out done by any person ever, regardless if there was such a thing as an evolutionary upgrade in humans.

If there was ever such a thing as some sort of evolutionary upgrade to humans, we would still have our human nature to sin as we are not perfect nor can be perfect (this knowledge could come by studying the bible). Therefore, yes, one would still have to obey God and follow/be in Christ Jesus (saved through Christs sacrifice and our obedience to what pertains to our salvation).

I just find it a little strange that a human can`t be better than jesus because I personallty wouldn`t send people to hell for not following me and all humans don`t actually sin
 
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I just find it a little strange that a human can`t be better than jesus because I personallty wouldn`t send people to hell for not following me and all humans don`t actually sin
This is a common deception among men on earth, and might be the reason most of them perish instead of being saved.
 
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I just find it a little strange that a human can`t be better than jesus because I personallty wouldn`t send people to hell for not following me and all humans don`t actually sin

Well, He did create everything, and laid out the ground rules so to speak. Is it His fault that people wish to disobey?

Parents lay out ground rules for their children. Is a parent not justified when they correct and punish their child when they disobey direct commands?

Sure with parents and children, the punishment can be temporary. But when we rebel against God, who created us and everything, is He not justified to punish or chastise?

Many do find it hard to follow God/Christ because doing so means they need to follow a set of rules that rule out doing a lot of worldly things not acceptable to God. They wish to do whatever they want and whatever they find good and acceptable.

The bible does mention though, we are all slaves regardless what we choose to do. Whether it is a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. We all only have two choices, obey and follow for eternal life or disobey and have eternal punishment. It's really up to all of us what we what. But please dont shy away from at least looking at the bible and seeing why it is Christians believe etc.
 
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Well, He did create everything, and laid out the ground rules so to speak. Is it His fault that people wish to disobey?

Parents lay out ground rules for their children. Is a parent not justified when they correct and punish their child when they disobey direct commands?

Sure with parents and children, the punishment can be temporary. But when we rebel against God, who created us and everything, is He not justified to punish or chastise?

Many do find it hard to follow God/Christ because doing so means they need to follow a set of rules that rule out doing a lot of worldly things not acceptable to God. They wish to do whatever they want and whatever they find good and acceptable.

The bible does mention though, we are all slaves regardless what we choose to do. Whether it is a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. We all only have two choices, obey and follow for eternal life or disobey and have eternal punishment. It's really up to all of us what we what. But please dont shy away from at least looking at the bible and seeing why it is Christians believe etc.

Well, I`m not rebllious, but I don`t really want to follow jesus
 
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I`m not so sure since there`s no gods
Again, by definition, .... sinful and rebellious.

Denying God's Existence results in staying on the wide (popular) road to destruction - unless a person turns to Yahuweh, comes to Jesus, they perish.
 
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Again, by definition, .... sinful and rebellious.

Denying God's Existence results in staying on the wide (popular) road to destruction - unless a person turns to Yahuweh, comes to Jesus, they perish.

yes, but the problem is that i don`t really like jesus at all
 
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In may countries, it seems, are many people who teach their own children how to die - that there are no gods, that the one true God, Yahuweh , doesn't exist, practically assuring their children's perishing.

I don`t think that`s true because if Jesus or god hasn`t showed themselves to them so they actually know about their option they can`t perish
 
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yes, but the problem is that i don`t really like jesus at all
"Tortured for Christ" , by Richard Wurbrandt, noted the same feeling - He did not believe in the so-called Messiah Jesus who he saw in other people's lives and preaching (a false Jesus was what he saw there, and He knew the Bible, and they did not know the Bible).

Later, an old man in a mountain town in switzerland I think, prayed to God for God to send to him a Jew to witness to, because the old man could not travel to find a Jew to witness to.
God brought Richard Wurmbrandt to him, and he witnessed the TRUTH to Richard, from Scripture, and from his own life, about Jesus Messiah.

Richard then saw the truth in this man, in his words, in Scripture, about the true Jesus.
Richard believed, was baptized and was saved, and became a minister of the Gospel thereafter.

He helped others who had rejected a false jesus, to see the true Jesus, and they also were saved by the truth, in truth.
 
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