Is the year when the tribulation ends written in scripture?

Al Touthentop said:

The modern day nation of Israel has nothing to do with this prophecy.

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Again, irrefutable physical proof that your view is wrong, and the Second Coming is future, is that the Mt. of Olives has not been split in half. Them who shall escape through the valley created will do so in similitude as their forefathers - ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah

It is not split in half yet, because Jesus's Second Coming has not taken place. Jerusalem at that time will be saying blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, because they will have become Christians during the 7 years, and Jesus will be returning to rescue them.

Zechariah 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Douggg said:

Again, irrefutable physical proof that your view is wrong, and the Second Coming is future, is that the Mt. of Olives has not been split in half. Them who shall escape through the valley created will do so in similitude as their forefathers - ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah

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So is it also an irrefutable proof that John the Baptist never came that

Every valley was not exalted
And every mountain and hill was not brought low;
The crooked places were not made straight
And the rough places were not made smooth?

Al Touthentop said:

So is it also an irrefutable proof that John the Baptist never came that

Every valley was not exalted
And every mountain and hill was not brought low;
The crooked places were not made straight
And the rough places were not made smooth?

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Why are you continuing to argue your position, when it is plan for anyone to see that the Mt. of Olives has not been split in half?

Douggg said:

Why are you continuing to argue your position, when it is plan for anyone to see that the Mt. of Olives has not been split in half?

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Can you answer the question?

Al Touthentop said:

The prophecy says that 70 weeks are determined. We agree that prophecy has to have an end, but God is the one who set the prophecy at 70 weeks.

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25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Prophecy NUMBER 1 ) the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Prophecy NUMBER 2 ) 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Prophecy NUMBER 3 ) 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

If its ONE CONTINUOUS Prophecy like you insist, why wasn't we just told that after 490 years the Jews would Repent, and accept their Messiah !! {Which they have't ever done yet }

Because its not one Prophecy, its three prophecies.

The Wall will be built after 49 years.......The Messiah will be killed/cut off after 434 years.......and the People of the PRINCE {Anti-Christ} that shall come {in the End Times} will destroy the Temple and the City of Jerusalem and HE...Who is he ? The Prince that SHALL COME in the end times, HE shall make an Agreement with MANY for 7 years and in the Middle of the 7 years or on day 1261, leaving 1260 days, he will renege on his Agreements.

Read about the European Neighborhood Policy, there you will find THE MANY spoken of here.

Al Touthentop said:

Can you answer the question?

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Your wrote John the Baptist. But I think you meant Elijah. John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah.

Elijah will be one of the two witnesses.

I don't even know why you are bringing it up, it is not comparable as irrefutable proof of anything. It doesn't change the fact, visible to everyone, that the Mt. of Olives has not been split in half, that Jesus's Second coming has not taken place yet.

Revealing Times said:

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

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The prophecy says that it is determined that 70 weeks are the time for it to be fulfilled. Within that 70 weeks there are periods where different things will take place. The last week, the 70th week,is when the Prince the Messiah comes and makes a covenant.

There is no conditional language in the prophecy and it came to pass within the time frame determined.

Douggg said:

I don't even know why you are bringing it up, it is not comparable as irrefutable proof of anything.

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Because it speaks to the sloppy way you are reading prophecy. The fact that you don't physically see that the mount of Olives was split in two only proves that you are taking the prophecy literally as if a mountain has to be literally split in two before the prophecy can be fulfilled.

By that same logic and reading, John the Baptist didn't come either.

Revealing Times said:

If its ONE CONTINUOUS Prophecy like you insist, why wasn't we just told that after 490 years the Jews would Repent, and accept their Messiah !! {Which they have't ever done yet }

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I don't insist it, God did.

It is frustrating sometimes that the Bible wasn't written in a way that we demand it be written. But it wasn't written yesterday, and it wasn't written in English. You may not like that it isn't written in 4th grade prose, but God wrote it the way he did in order to confound the disbeliever.

There were many Jews who accepted their Messiah at the time. Why do you want to make the same mistake those who rejected him made? They didn't recognize the time of their visitation and here you are, 2000 years later falling into the same trap.

Al Touthentop said:

Because it speaks to the sloppy way you are reading prophecy. The fact that you don't physically see that the mount of Olives was split in two only proves that you are taking the prophecy literally as if a mountain has to be literally split in two before the prophecy can be fulfilled.

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Anyone can see that the Mt. of Olives has not been split in half. It is irrefutable proof that Jesus's Second Coming has not taken place, yet.

[URL='https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Zechariah-14-3/']3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.[/URL]

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Douggg said:

Anyone can see that the Mt. of Olives has not been split in half. It is irrefutable proof that Jesus's Second Coming has not taken place, yet.

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Anyone can see that the mountains were not brought low and the valleys not lifted up as foretold by Isaiah 40.. It is irrefutable proof, by your logic, that John the Baptist didn't come in the spirit of Elijah and prepare the Lord's way.

Al Touthentop said:

Anyone can see that the mountains were not brought low and the valleys not lifted up as foretold by Isaiah 40.. It is irrefutable proof, by your logic, that John the Baptist didn't come in the spirit of Elijah and prepare the Lord's way.

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3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Isaiah 40:3 is not an equivalent to Zechariah 14:3-5. I don't even know why you are bringing it up.

Isaiah 40:4 is about Jesus's Second Coming, when He returns, and rules the nations with a rod of iron.

4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Douggg said:

Isaiah 40:3 is not an equivalent to Zechariah 14:3-5. I don't even know why you are bringing it up.

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Funny. I am bringing it up because you can't take prophetic language, read it literally and then expect to understand its meaning. It's the same trap which caught up the Pharisees. Don't be a Pharisee.

Al Touthentop said:

Funny. I am bringing it up because you can't take prophetic language, read it literally and then expect to understand its meaning. It's the same trap which caught up the Pharisees. Don't be a Pharisee.

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Don't be a Pharisee? What I am saying is don't be an irrational intransigent. Anyone can read Zechariah 14 and see with their own two eyes that the Mt. of Olives has not been split in half.

Douggg said:

Don't be a Pharisee? What I am saying is don't be an idiot. Anyone can read Zechariah 14 and see with their own two eyes that the Mt. of Olives has not been split in half.

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You can't even see that with your own two eyes unless you live in Israel. You want to selectively apply this particular prophecy but it doesn't work that way. If one prophecy isn't 'literally' fulfilled, then virtually none are. The logic you're using and the sloppy way you are reading prophecy, was how the Pharisees justified crucifying Christ.

“This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?"

“Does our law convict a man without first hearing from him to determine what he has done?” 52“Aren’t you also from Galilee?” they replied. “Look into it, and you will see that no prophet comes out of Galilee.”

Jonah was from Galilee.

Don't be a Pharisee.

Al Touthentop said:

You can't even see that with your own two eyes unless you live in Israel.

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There are plenty of internet pictures of the Mt. of Olives, which anyone can see with their own two eyes. And if Zechariah 14:3-5 had already taken place, this board would not even exist.

You are continuing with irrational arguments of someone who is intransigent in spite of the clearly visible physical verifiable evidence.

Douggg said:

There are plenty of internet pictures of the Mt. of Olives, which anyone can see with their own two eyes. And if Zechariah 14:3-5 had already taken place, this board would not even exist.

You are continuing with irrational arguments of someone who is intransigent in spite of the clearly visible physical verifiable evidence.

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You want to limit your illogic to a single prophecy because a broader application would demolish that same logic.

But you've changed the subject anyway. Zecharaiah is not Daniel. The prophecies are unrelated.

Al Touthentop said:

You want to limit your illogic to a single prophecy because a broader application would demolish that same logic.

But you've changed the subject anyway. Zecharaiah is not Daniel. The prophecies are unrelated.

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Zechariah 14:3-5 is a major prophecy in the bible that irrefutably negates the claim that the Second Coming has already taken place (2) that Christians have become Jews by virtue of becoming Christians (3) that the church has become Israel (4) that the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 have been completed.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.



Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Douggg said:

Zechariah 14:3-5 is a major prophecy in the bible that irrefutably negates the claim that the Second Coming has already taken place (2) that Christians have become Jews by virtue of becoming Christians (3) that the church has become Israel (4) that the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 have been completed.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.



Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

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The Lord is now king over all the earth. The fact that you don't accept this, is irrefutable proof that you aren't a Christian. You haven't confessed him as Lord, you don't believe he is Lord and king. He was anointed king as all of the apostles preached. I wish you would accept this, but I am done trying to convince you. It's a fruitless endeavor.

Al Touthentop said:

The Lord is now king over all the earth. The fact that you don't accept this, is irrefutable proof that you aren't a Christian. You haven't confessed him as Lord, you don't believe he is Lord and king. He was anointed king as all of the apostles preached. I wish you would accept this, but I am done trying to convince you. It's a fruitless endeavor.

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Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

You are accusing me of not being a Christian (a violation of the forum rules, btw) because you don't understand what Zechariah 14:9 is saying? Really?

Zechariah 14:9 is saying when Jesus returns, at His Second Coming, and splits the Mt of Olives in half, Jesus will be physically present as king over all the earth. Jerusalem will have said "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".