Three hundred years from now where will you be? Heaven or a utopian earth?

Redwingfan9 · Dec 8, 2019

DennisTate said:
John 16:25 - These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

That happened already, with his crucifixion, resurrection and ascension.

DennisTate · Dec 9, 2019

Redwingfan9 said:
That happened already, with his crucifixion, resurrection and ascension.

Or... could it be that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus speaks to us more and more and more and more plainly and clearly for infinite time in the future????

Could it be that as we grow in grace, humility and understanding that all of us as individuals......and the Bride of Messiah as a group...... and even the wedding guests.... .we will be able to take in and process more and more and more plain and clear teachings????

John 15

Jhn 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16

Jhn 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

And he, when he is come, will convict the world in respect of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to the Father, and ye behold me no more; 11 of judgment, because the prince of this world hath been judged.

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, [these] shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

DennisTate · Dec 9, 2019

genez said:
Keep in mind. When Jesus gave the sermon on the mount he was a rabbi speaking to Jews, according to promises for the Jews.

The Jews were awaiting the Messiah that would rule over them. Rule over them on a new earth. While teaching the Jews Jesus kept to OT Messianic teachings that they had been aware of from what is found in the Torah.

Now? Is the Church also to live on the New Earth with the Messiah ruling over them? No. Not really.

"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so,
would I have told you that I am going there to prepare
a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I
will come back and take you to be with me that you also
may be where I am." Jn 14:2-3

The Church has been promised heavenly homes in heaven! Not on the new earth. OT and Tribulation saints will inherit the new earth. They are not the Bride of Christ. The Church is not to be ruled over by the Messiah on earth. But, rather. The Church is to rule with Him over those living on the new earth.

Our home will be in Heaven. Our job will be to "commute" to earth in a twinkling of an eye and (for those who qualify) to have authority over the nations with Christ. During the Millennium Christ is to be the Head over all ruler-ship. We will get our orders from Him in ruling those on earth.

Our homes will be gloriously situated above. We will not be on this earth other than to commute to help govern the Millennium generations under the Lord Jesus Christ.

grace and peace...

Good comments.... you have certainly put a lot of time into researching these questions!

DennisTate · Dec 9, 2019

Jamdoc said:
I have no delusions of physically surviving for 300 years, and have no idea when the second coming of Christ will be, so most likely I'll be with Him in spirit, waiting for the second coming and resurrection

I am hoping and expecting that 1 Corinthians 15
will be fulfilled well before three centuries from now???

35 But some one will say, How are the dead raised? and with what manner of body do they come?

36 Thou foolish one, that which thou thyself sowest is not quickened except it die: 37 and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not the body that shall be, but a bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other kind; 38 but God giveth it a body even as it pleased him, and to each seed a body of its own.

39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one [flesh] of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fishes.

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial is another.

41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 it is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].

45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam [became] a life-giving spirit.

46 Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the power of sin is the law: 57 but thanks be to God, who giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not vain in the Lord.

DennisTate · Dec 9, 2019

Dan1988 said:
The Sahara Forest Project will never be supported by those in power. Politicians in capitalist economies will never commit to any long term, expensive projects.

The economy is the most important thing for all politicians in developed countries. So the chances of convincing them to commit to funding expensive long term projects is 0%.

Governments are only interested in making a quick profit, while they're in power. They don't care about long term future investments.

I believe that that is about to be changed by the intervention of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and the Holy Spirit the Comforter in more and more and more hearts and minds even in the world.

(Rick Joyner, The Call):

“I thought that I would be a warning just by being different. Being different is not enough! The power of the Holy Spirit to convict of sin is released by the spoken word. What the Lord did to Sodom, He did as an example so that others would not have to be destroyed in this way. You can warn those who are headed for destruction by telling them my story. There are now many cities whose evil He will not abide much longer. If those who know the Lord do not arise, there will be many more like Sodom very soon.

“The Judgment Day is coming. All of creation will then know the wisdom of His judgments, but you must not wait for that day. You must seek His judgments every day, and you must make them known on the earth. If His people will walk in His judgments, many on the earth will know of them before the great Day of Judgment. By this many more will be saved. It is His desire that none should be lost, and that none of His people suffer loss on that day.

“The people of the earth are blind. They will not see if you simply try to be a witness. The message of judgment must go forth in words. The Holy Spirit anoints words, but the words must be spoken in order for Him to anoint them. “Righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. His people have come to know something of His righteousness, but few know His justice. His throne will abide in His house, therefore judgment must begin with His own house.

“You must live by the truth that you have learned here, and you must teach it. His judgments are coming. If His people will walk in His judgment before the Judgment Day, that day will be glorious for them. If they do not live by them, they, too, will know the sorrow that the world is about to know. His judgments would not be true if they were not the same for all. Through you and others, He will entreat His people again to judge themselves lest they be judged. Then you must entreat the world.”

Lot directed me to look at the door before which I was standing. It still seemed dark and uninviting, like the doctrines of God’s judgment, I thought. The glory of the Lord that surrounded us made it seem even more bleak. Even so, I now knew how glorious His judgment really is. I had also come to understand that almost every door through which He leads us looks bleak at first and then becomes glorious. It almost seems that the bleaker the door looks, the more glorious it will be on the other side. Just passing through His doors takes faith, but they always lead to more glory.

Lot continued with my train of thought. As I had already learned, in this place thoughts are broadcast to all.

“Through that door, you will experience more of His glory. His glory is not just the brilliance that you see around Him or in this place, nor is it merely the feelings that you have while abiding in Him. His glory is also revealed through His judgments. This is not the only way that it is revealed, but it is this way that you were called here to understand. Through that door, you will learn of another way to see His glory. It is by seeing His glory that His people will be changed, and He is about to show them His glory. When they see His glory, they will rejoice in all of His ways, even in His judgments.”

The Second Witness

Then a second voice spoke, “I, too, confirm this truth. ‘The judgment of God is about to be revealed on the earth. Even so, ‘Mercy triumphs over judgment.’ The Lord always extends mercy before judgment. If you will warn the people that His judgments are near, His mercy will save many.”

The Call Rick Joyner

North American churches should each have their own currency!

Dave L · Dec 9, 2019

DennisTate said:
Or.... did they like the Prophet Balaam of Numbers who met with King Balak.......

... have an understanding of scripture but their tendency to want influence.... or wealth..... or slave girls..... or a better wife.... or greater power...... or more land or..... somebody else's vineyard....... or somebody else's respect or praise..... or whatever...... make them capable of highly unethical acts that should have been obvious were not in line with the spirit and intent of the Laws of Moshe?

They were blind and did not recognize God when he stood right in front of them. But killed him instead.

Redwingfan9 · Dec 9, 2019

DennisTate said:
Or... could it be that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus speaks to us more and more and more and more plainly and clearly for infinite time in the future????

Could it be that as we grow in grace, humility and understanding that all of us as individuals......and the Bride of Messiah as a group...... and even the wedding guests.... .we will be able to take in and process more and more and more plain and clear teachings????

John 15

Jhn 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16

Jhn 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

And he, when he is come, will convict the world in respect of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to the Father, and ye behold me no more; 11 of judgment, because the prince of this world hath been judged.

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, [these] shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

You can't quote fron John 15 and 16 and pretend like Jesus is talking about events thousands of years in the future when there are major events to take place in the next several chapters, to say nothing of the events in the first two chapters of Acts. Jesus is taking to actual people at the time, it makes no sense that he's referencing things they will understand in the future but don't understand now. He's talking to those specific people, they're the ones who will understand soon. He isn't referring to people thousands of years later.

Jamdoc · Dec 9, 2019

DennisTate said:
I am hoping and expecting that 1 Corinthians 15
will be fulfilled well before three centuries from now???

35 But some one will say, How are the dead raised? and with what manner of body do they come?

36 Thou foolish one, that which thou thyself sowest is not quickened except it die: 37 and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not the body that shall be, but a bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other kind; 38 but God giveth it a body even as it pleased him, and to each seed a body of its own.

39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one [flesh] of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fishes.

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial is another.

41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 it is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].

45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam [became] a life-giving spirit.

46 Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the power of sin is the law: 57 but thanks be to God, who giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not vain in the Lord.

Well you can hope, but nobody knows except the Lord.

gracegracegodgrace · Dec 9, 2019

I'll be on the star ship enterprise

Ken Rank · Dec 9, 2019

solid_core said:
Heaven is not a place, its a higher level of being.

Like 3D is a higher level than 1D.

If you are in 3D, you are also in 1D. If you are in heaven, you are also on the earth.

Not sure what you mean by "the utopian earth".

Scripture speaks of a restored Earth... when lion will lay with lamb... a utopia. Interesting thoughts about heaven being a state of being rather than a place... will give that some thought.

JacksBratt · Dec 9, 2019

KateforChrist said:
In God's presence. Plain and simple.

I can't disagree with you there. In 300 years I won't be here that's for sure and I am saved so... yep... in God's presence.
You are right, this is the plain and simple truth

However, I believe that in 300 years, the end of time will have come, Armageddon will be part of history and the millennial reign of Christ will be in process. The Great White Throne Judgement will still have to take place at the end of this reign...

So, we will be on a refurbished earth as servant and workers of our Savior as He rules this earth the way it could have been done in righteous fashion. The only humans with earthly bodies will be those that come out of the great tribulation. This will be the 144,000 converted Jews and whoever manages to survive the tribulation as a believer. These will be the only ones left for the millennial age.

ralliann · Dec 9, 2019

DennisTate said:
Since I was a teenager back in the '70's I have believed in the saints being largely on a restored earth with the descendants of those who survive the Great Tribulation.

Matthew 5
Mat 5:5
"Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth."

Psa 37:11
"But the meek shall inherit the earth,
And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."

Revelation 5
Rev 5:10
"And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”

Isaiah 11

And there shall come forth a shoot out of the stock of Jesse, and a branch out of his roots shall bear fruit.

2 And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.

3 And his delight shall be in the fear of Jehovah; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither decide after the hearing of his ears; 4 but with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his waist, and faithfulness the girdle of his loins.

6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

Now I admit that this subject is somewhat complex because it is clearly predicted that after Messiah Yeshua - Jesus reigns over the earth for one thousand years then...... even the Ancient of Days the Father comes down to the earth so in a sense..... earth becomes heaven..... I think?!

We will be in the eternal kingdom with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the resurrection.
Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

ralliann · Dec 9, 2019

DennisTate said:
The wealthy leaders of the Scribes and Pharisees who felt that John the Baptist and Messiah Yeshua- Jesus were threatening their positions of wealth and power wanted to kill him.... but it is estimated that four hundred thousand followers of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus may have been living in the Roman Province of Judaea at the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt and Rabbi Akiva.

The crowd who called for him to be crucified was stacked by this influential group of people who were not truly a majority of the population then..... or now for that matter.

They first rejected John refusing to be baptized of him and repent.
Lu 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

The Pharisees took control over Judaism after the destruction of the temple. The Roman Emporer gave them this power to establish a new Sanhedrin at Yavneh.

ralliann · Dec 9, 2019

ralliann said:
They first rejected John refusing to be baptized of him and repent.
Lu 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

The Pharisees took control over Judaism after the destruction of the temple. The Roman Emperor gave them this power to establish a new Sanhedrin at Yavneh.

DennisTate · Dec 9, 2019

Redwingfan9 said:
That happened already, with his crucifixion, resurrection and ascension.

A saying that is taught in a popular worship song hit me in reference to your idea....... Glory to glory to glory to glory........ it is like there are greater and greater levels of glory going to be taught to us for infinite time in the future........ so we should not be shocked at how some statements in the Bible that go over our heads at first are clarified by some near death experiencers like Dean Braxton or Dr. Kevin Zadai and others.

This all fits with the scripture.....

Jhn 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

We are going to be astonished how much more we know three centuries from now than we catch onto in 2019.

DennisTate · Dec 9, 2019

ralliann said:
We will be in the eternal kingdom with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the resurrection.
Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

I absolutely agree....and getting to know these saints and prophets and patriarchs is going to be an astonishing privilege. But word has it........that they are anxious to meet YOU... due to your being a Warrior in Battle of the Great Day of the LORD Almighty!

If you go to the 2:21:00 mark of this video you will find a truly convincing and I believe brilliant explanation for the saints wanting to meet us when we pass on........

I think that this fits beautifully with Hebrews 11

DennisTate · Dec 9, 2019

JacksBratt said:
I can't disagree with you there. In 300 years I won't be here that's for sure and I am saved so... yep... in God's presence.
You are right, this is the plain and simple truth

However, I believe that in 300 years, the end of time will have come, Armageddon will be part of history and the millennial reign of Christ will be in process. The Great White Throne Judgement will still have to take place at the end of this reign...

So, we will be on a refurbished earth as servant and workers of our Savior as He rules this earth the way it could have been done in righteous fashion. The only humans with earthly bodies will be those that come out of the great tribulation. This will be the 144,000 converted Jews and whoever manages to survive the tribulation as a believer. These will be the only ones left for the millennial age.

Good comments..... but I do have the impression that quote a few non- believers survive the Tribulation. I base that partly on much of the world misunderstanding and hating the two witnesses......and on the nations gathering against Messiah when
Zechariah 14
is fulfilled?

Rev 11:18

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Redwingfan9 · Dec 9, 2019

DennisTate said:
A saying that is taught in a popular worship song hit me in reference to your idea....... Glory to glory to glory to glory........ it is like there are greater and greater levels of glory going to be taught to us for infinite time in the future........ so we should not be shocked at how some statements in the Bible that go over our heads at first are clarified by some near death experiencers like Dean Braxton or Dr. Kevin Zadai and others.

This all fits with the scripture.....

Jhn 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

We are going to be astonished how much more we know three centuries from now than we catch onto in 2019.

Jesus is speaking to the apostles, he isn't speaking to all Christians for all time. This passage has been fulfilled as is made plain in Acts.

JacksBratt · Dec 9, 2019

DennisTate said:
Good comments..... but I do have the impression that quote a few non- believers survive the Tribulation. I base that partly on much of the world misunderstanding and hating the two witnesses......and on the nations gathering against Messiah when
Zechariah 14
is fulfilled?

Rev 11:18

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

I don't think that any non believers will survive. In the end they will fight against the coming King. Only the righteous will be kept for the millennial age. I don't have time to look it up right now but these people will live long lives and have children. Since Satan is bound for these 1000 years these people will not be tempted. Some will turn from righteousness but will die young, which will be a disgraceful event in these times. In the end, Satan will be loosed and some will turn... But, no unbelievers after the tribulation IMO

DennisTate · Dec 9, 2019

Redwingfan9 said:
Jesus is speaking to the apostles, he isn't speaking to all Christians for all time. This passage has been fulfilled as is made plain in Acts.

Personally...... I think that he is speaking to all Christians in all time periods because....... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is conservatively....... a trillion times more powerful, more wise.....and more capable of amazing and astounding each and every one of us than we can begin to imagine as mere humans!

Just do a New Testament search for the word "glory"...... think for a while about how much glory Messiah the Passover Lamb is due to receive........ then think about what he wants to do with all that wealth, honour, wisdom, power and glory?

Messiah Yeshua - Jesus wants to share more and more and more and more of that glory with you and me.... and all Christians who read this thread........ and all Christians even who cannot read........

Jude 1:25

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Three hundred years from now where will you be? Heaven or a utopian earth?

In the year 2319 where will you be?

Heaven

A restored utopian earth.

Both in heaven as well as on the restored utopian earth.

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