Three hundred years from now where will you be? Heaven or a utopian earth?

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

Brian Mcnamee said:
how about where we will be in 1300 years

I love this question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my opinion thirteen hundred years from now will be after the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37
which I believe corresponds with the White Throne Judgment of the Book of Revelation?!

Then again I could be wrong..... but that is what I was taught as a teenager.... and I am biased in that direction?!

Revelation 20

Rev 20:11
"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."

Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 8, 2019

DennisTate said:
...In my opinion.....

Why do you keep continuing to post those false teachings (links to multiverse) in the bottom of your posts???
Is that why you "love questions?"? To give you another chance to promote what is false without seeming to ?!

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Noticed going to look, the title of the thread is without Scriptural support,
the poll under the title is separate and doesn't include where most people will be finally,
and the 2nd post by the op promotes false teachings. (and throughout his posts also)

This is a Christian forum so i did not include the option of going to hell...... even Atheists who are here on ChristianForums could well come around at the last moment and do an eleventh hour repentance.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 8, 2019

DennisTate said:
This is a Christian forum so i did not include the option of going to hell...... even Atheists who are here on ChristianForums could well come around at the last moment and do an eleventh hour repentance.

That doesn't make sense, and is not faithful to Scripture.

It seems more part of the delusion of a false gospel - u.r. - instead of the truth of the wide path (POPULAR PATH)

that MANY ARE ON (according to all Christian BIBLES) ....

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
That doesn't make sense, and is not faithful to Scripture.

But you still believe in Soul Sleep. ... .or some variation on it.... so there is no way that what I have came to believe since 1990 can make sense to you.........

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
You followed the pendulum, so to speak, to a lot more errors outside the WCoG. Worse than before.

I have to admit.......
that no matter how many errors that I still may have in what i believe at this time I am pretty sure that I am somewhat closer to understanding more of the important aspects of the bigger picture than I was back in 1989 when I was still a member in good standing of the WCoG.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 8, 2019

DennisTate said:
I have to admit.......
that no matter how many errors that I still may have in what i believe at this time I am pretty sure that I am somewhat closer to understanding more of the important aspects of the bigger picture than I was back in 1989 when I was still a member in good standing of the WCoG.

Yes, that is EXACTLY what the false preachers WANT YOU (and others deceived by them) to believe.

That is how they keep you deceived , and the others with you. (who may be deceiving you willfully or willingly, or unwittingly not knowing what they are doing)

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

dqhall said:
The Gospel must be preached to all nations before Jesus will return. There are language groups without New Testaments. Some tribes are illiterate and isolated.

I do not know the day or the hour of his return. Peter wrote the earth will be destroyed with intense heat - 2 Peter 3:10. I would expect God might create a new world.

Jesus taught people, “Sufficient to the day is the evil therein.” “Do not worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow will take care of itself.” Am not dreaming about what I will do in 300 yrs.

Personally... I was taught that the destruction of the earth by fire would probably not be until perhaps 1200 or more years from now...... assuming a soon fulfillment of Zechariah 14
... by soon in mean in less than a century or so.....

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

rockytopva said:
If Isaac Newton got his 2060AD Christ return date right we should be about 250 years into the last millennial. It appears according to Enoch the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints. The question is, will we be accounted worthy to return on this earth to reign with him a thousand years?

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints. - Jude 1:14

But with the righteous He will make peace. And will protect the elect, And mercy shall be upon them. And they shall all belong to God, And they shall be prospered, And they shall be blessed. And light shall appear unto them. And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones to execute judgement upon all, and to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. - Enoch 1

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. - Revelation 20:4-6

2060........ that is a really interesting date considering what I've been taught must happen before Zechariah 14
can be completely and totally fulfilled????

Then again... if the relatively new Multiverse Theory does turn out to correspond with Ezekiel 37
it would be possible for the Second Coming and / or the Rapture to vary in when it happens........
in each time line......
because perhaps those events depend on........THE BRIDE MAKING HERSELF READY??????

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

The Liturgist said:
The line in the Nicene Creed “Whose Kingdom will have no end” was in fact intended to refute Millenarianism.

May I ask how the idea of the Kingdom of Messiah having no end in the future would refute the idea of their being a very special one thousand year time period in which Satan was bound and the saints were somehow in a position of amazing power in comparison to what has been the case up until now?

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

Devin P said:
I agree that the Earth will be where the kingdom will be. Zachariah 14 tells us this clearly.

I don't believe it will be a Utopia though. Zachariah 14 also tells us that those Nations that don't observe the feasts of God in that time will receive no rain for a full year, and if they are still rebellious towards God the next year and still won't obey Him and celebrate His feast of Tabernacles, that He'll destroy them. And there are scriptures that talk on the Nations revolting in those days.

I think that while Jesus will be here on Earth reigning, and those that were deemed worthy all have their new incorruptible immortal bodies, there will still be regular people that are still given the chance to repent and walk in truth and light. If they do, they will be taken out of the Nations and given eternal life. He still gives them a chance during the millennium reign before Satan is done away with forever, where it really would then be a Utopia.

Good points...... the explanation that I was given for this is that
various nations begin to recognize Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and his ruling team
in stages..........

Some of the confusion may be that the anti-Christ may have so accurately predicted what was about to happen that he will have done an effective Wrap Up Smear on Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and his saints as being alien invaders of the earth?????

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

brinny said:
Three hundred years from now where will you be?

What about for eternity?

Isn't THAT the question, rather than imaginings and myths that we are admonished to avoid for they are fruitless babblings, and/or "spinning stories"?

My point is that we Christians may be turning debates into all out battles that do not need to be battles at all?

Mat 5:25 "Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison."

For example..... if human technology will in fact play a role in turning deserts green........
and if turning deserts green is a much better long term response to the possibility of climate change than a Carbon Tax.......
(that could turn out to give power to a far less than altruistic segment of the mega-wealthy who regard us ordinary people as practically sub-humans who should perhaps abort our children)...........

.... then by taking a longer term view of what the world is predicted to look like in three or four or five centuries......
some creative Christian film makers might just be able to wean Ms. Great Thunberg off the Carbon Tax bandwagon over to the Carl Cantrell - Isaiah 35
theory on the whole subject?!

Warning... the following is in the Writers Guild forum and could be even more unusual than what I put in Controversial Christian Theology:

Concept for a Christian documentary starring Ms. Greta Thunberg....

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

dqhall said:
The Gospel must be preached to all nations before Jesus will return. There are language groups without New Testaments. Some tribes are illiterate and isolated.

I do not know the day or the hour of his return. Peter wrote the earth will be destroyed with intense heat - 2 Peter 3:10. I would expect God might create a new world.

Jesus taught people, “Sufficient to the day is the evil therein.” “Do not worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow will take care of itself.” Am not dreaming about what I will do in 300 yrs.

Personally.... I am of the belief that the Dean Braxton and / or the Colton Burpo and Todd Burpo testimonies and books and other media are giving a better explanation of the basic simple gospel through youtube and other media than many sincere preachers have been doing over the past few decades or centuries.

Obviously many Christians will tend to disagree with me in that belief / assertion.....

Toro · Dec 8, 2019

I will be where God places me.

IF I am not to worry about where I will be tomorrow. . why should I worry about where I am 300 years from now.

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

Original Happy Camper said:
Please read Lazarus's description of heaven that he left us after Jesus resurrected him from the grave.

Do you mean 2 Corinthians 12
verses 2 to four?

Do you think that after his conversion the Apostle Paul may have gotten to speak with Lazarus?

That actually could well be an exceptionally good theory!!!!!!

2 I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up even to the third heaven.

3 And I know such a man (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not; God knoweth), 4 how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

Toro said:
I will be where God places me.

IF I am not to worry about where I will be tomorrow. . why should I worry about where I am 300 years from now.

Basically the reason I began this discussion is to assist other Christians to begin to decrease our tendency to offend the little ones.........
such as Ms. Greta Thunberg......
just for one example......

Matthew 18

Mat 18:6

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

DennisTate · Dec 8, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Yes, that is EXACTLY what the false preachers WANT YOU (and others deceived by them) to believe.

That is how they keep you deceived , and the others with you. (who may be deceiving you willfully or willingly, or unwittingly not knowing what they are doing)

I thank you for admitting that I myself as well as those who turned me around to a belief in the idea of heaven or hell immediately after death are deceived...... as opposed to being deliberately falsifying our testimonies.

If Colton Burpo and / or his dad and / or Dean Braxton are lying about what they report..... they should get an Academy Award of some type..........???!!!

rockytopva · Dec 8, 2019

DennisTate said:
2060........ that is a really interesting date considering what I've been taught must happen before Zechariah 14
can be completely and totally fulfilled????

Then again... if the relatively new Multiverse Theory does turn out to correspond with Ezekiel 37
it would be possible for the Second Coming and / or the Rapture to vary in when it happens........
in each time line......
because perhaps those events depend on........THE BRIDE MAKING HERSELF READY??????

There will be one more millennial!
"....they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." - Revelation 20:4

I believe such a time is in God's timing and only have brief generalities to such an occurrence.

rockytopva · Dec 8, 2019

rockytopva said:
There will be one more millennial!
"....they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." - Revelation 20:4

I believe such a time is in God's timing and only have brief generalities to such an occurrence.

I do not find perfection in the last millennial...

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:7-8

Devin P · Dec 8, 2019

DennisTate said:
Good points...... the explanation that I was given for this is that
various nations begin to recognize Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and his ruling team
in stages..........

Some of the confusion may be that the anti-Christ may have so accurately predicted what was about to happen that he will have done an effective Wrap Up Smear on Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and his saints as being alien invaders of the earth?????

I'm not sure how Satan would mislead everyone, it's all speculation regarding that. But I do believe he'd anticipate things and twist them to mislead the nation's causing them to revolt against Jesus.

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