Three hundred years from now where will you be? Heaven or a utopian earth?

In the year 2319 where will you be?

  • Heaven

    Votes: 8 44.4%
  • A restored utopian earth.

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • Both in heaven as well as on the restored utopian earth.

    Votes: 7 38.9%

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I tend to think we'll be able to be in two kingdoms or two different type dimensions....the heavenly realm and the earthy physical one as well....in other words the ability to go back and forth. I think certain things of this are a mystery though but God has not provides too much information in regard to it and for good reason I think.....we'd spend all our time talking about it instead of dealing with our present moment at hand.

I do like your thread though. Many Christians look at the present world like if one is an American just who and what party will be in control, who will be in power and what laws will be made. Good to keep in mind though whoever wins in these present day struggles they'll all be a mere footnote in history compared the big and great thing to come.....the universal kingdom of Christ being established and what it'll mean. So all political commotions of this day are mere speed bumps before we get to the smooth road of Christ and his Kingdom.


YOU GOT IT!!!!!

THAT IS WHAT I ALSO HAVE CAME TO BELIEVE!!!
 
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You have been posting, apparently deceived by, (or obviously), errors from false teachers for quite some time
that are not related to the WCoG at all.

Of course not.....
because once I came to believe that the Worldwide Church of God doctrine of Soul Sleep was seriously in error..... I noticed some other probable flaws as well.
 
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OK.... you could be onto something with this idea........

Is King David in his resurrected form merely a "prince" due to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus being King of all kings and Lord of all lords or..............
is it because Messiah Yeshua - Jesus has given all power to the Ancient of Days the Father???????

.....and to the Holy Spirit - The Comforter??????

This is a potentially very useful question in that proposed new level of conversation between Christians with Jews and Messianic Jews and Messianic Gentiles????
If you are talking about what the false teachers and false teaching have proposed, then no.
The only "potentially useful" anything is that which will set you free from the deception, setting you free from those who have been tickling your ears, and free from whatever spiritual errors got you trapped.
 
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Of course not.....
because once I came to believe that the Worldwide Church of God doctrine of Soul Sleep was seriously in error..... I noticed some other probable flaws as well.
You followed the pendulum, so to speak, to a lot more errors outside the WCoG. Worse than before.
 
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Of course not.....
because once I came to believe that the Worldwide Church of God doctrine of Soul Sleep was seriously in error..... I noticed some other probable flaws as well.
"probable" ? Went from probable to certain errors, no doubt about this,
in your travels/ seeking/ posts revealed information/ false teachers believed.
I was in the WCoG for a while. We did not believe in soul sleep. (the people I was with in the WCoG) .... The whole idea of soul sleep is not a good criteria for you to have changed over to believe other deceptions.
 
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Since I was a teenager back in the '70's I have believed in the saints being largely on a restored earth with the descendants of those who survive the Great Tribulation.

Matthew 5
Mat 5:5
"Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth."

Psa 37:11
"But the meek shall inherit the earth,
And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."

Revelation 5
Rev 5:10
"And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”

Isaiah 11

And there shall come forth a shoot out of the stock of Jesse, and a branch out of his roots shall bear fruit.

2 And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.

3 And his delight shall be in the fear of Jehovah; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither decide after the hearing of his ears; 4 but with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his waist, and faithfulness the girdle of his loins.

6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

Now I admit that this subject is somewhat complex because it is clearly predicted that after Messiah Yeshua - Jesus reigns over the earth for one thousand years then...... even the Ancient of Days the Father comes down to the earth so in a sense..... earth becomes heaven..... I think?!
The Gospel must be preached to all nations before Jesus will return. There are language groups without New Testaments. Some tribes are illiterate and isolated.

I do not know the day or the hour of his return. Peter wrote the earth will be destroyed with intense heat - 2 Peter 3:10. I would expect God might create a new world.

Jesus taught people, “Sufficient to the day is the evil therein.” “Do not worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow will take care of itself.” Am not dreaming about what I will do in 300 yrs.
 
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Just to point out.. your not waiting for actual sand to become grasslands..

The Hebrew word for sand, חול (chol), is the same as the word for “secular” or “ordinary” – that which is not set aside or holy.

Sand and dust in the Bible represent secularism and worldliness...

Awake, awake, put on your strength, O Zion; put on your beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city… Shake yourself from the dust and arise; be seated, O Jerusalem; loose the bonds from your neck, O captive daughter of Zion.” (Isaiah 52:1-2)

In the same way, water can, and often does, represent salvation..

"... Christ loved the church and gave himself for her to sanctify her by cleansing her with the washing of the water by the word."
Ephesians 5:25-26

What happened at the pool of Siloam? What happened when the light of Christ came into this world and gave Himself for the salvation of man?

spiritual productivity makes the believer to be:

like a tree planted by flowing streams; it yields its fruit at the proper time, and its leaves never fall off” (Psalms 1:3).

water also represents life that has been renewed: “At that time … joyfully you will draw water from the springs of deliverance” (Isaiah 12:1-3).

Your not looking for some supernatural earthly phenomenon - just look backward and you'll see the supernatural phenomenon that already happened...


Amazing Grace, How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost, but now am found
T'was blind but now I see
T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear
And Grace, my fears relieved
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed
Through many dangers, toils and snares
We have already come.
T'was grace that brought us safe thus far
And grace will lead us home​
 
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Of course not.....
because once I came to believe that the Worldwide Church of God doctrine of Soul Sleep was seriously in error..... I noticed some other probable flaws as well.
Think back, God Willing, to how you "noticed" any error at all, after having been ? 'stable' in God's Word for some time.....
then when someone, whoever it was, convinced you that instead of WCoG
you could 'trust' them, whoever it was,
deceptively gaining your trust at that time by seemingly being on your side,
deceptively gaining your trust all those years ago,
by seemingly exposing errors "for you", as if "in your good interest",
all the while purposefully beguiling you to follow another voice.....
 
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Since I was a teenager back in the '70's I have believed in the saints being largely on a restored earth with the descendants of those who survive the Great Tribulation.

Matthew 5
Mat 5:5
"Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth."

Psa 37:11
"But the meek shall inherit the earth,
And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."

Revelation 5
Rev 5:10
"And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”

Isaiah 11

And there shall come forth a shoot out of the stock of Jesse, and a branch out of his roots shall bear fruit.

2 And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.

3 And his delight shall be in the fear of Jehovah; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither decide after the hearing of his ears; 4 but with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his waist, and faithfulness the girdle of his loins.

6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

Now I admit that this subject is somewhat complex because it is clearly predicted that after Messiah Yeshua - Jesus reigns over the earth for one thousand years then...... even the Ancient of Days the Father comes down to the earth so in a sense..... earth becomes heaven..... I think?!
how about where we will be in 1300 years
 
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If Isaac Newton got his 2060AD Christ return date right we should be about 250 years into the last millennial. It appears according to Enoch the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints. The question is, will we be accounted worthy to return on this earth to reign with him a thousand years?

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints. - Jude 1:14

But with the righteous He will make peace. And will protect the elect, And mercy shall be upon them. And they shall all belong to God, And they shall be prospered, And they shall be blessed. And light shall appear unto them. And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones to execute judgement upon all, and to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. - Enoch 1

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. - Revelation 20:4-6
 
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Three hundred years from now where will you be?

What about for eternity?

Isn't THAT the question, rather than imaginings and myths that we are admonished to avoid for they are fruitless babblings, and/or "spinning stories"?
 
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The Millennium is a Pharisee doctrine Jesus refuted in the gospels, saying the Kingdom is spiritual only. So I believe we could enter the New Heavens and earth any time within our lifetimes.

The line in the Nicene Creed “Whose Kingdom will have no end” was in fact intended to refute Millenarianism.
 
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Three hundred years from now where will you be?

What about for eternity?

Isn't THAT the question, rather than imaginings and myths that we are admonished to avoid for they are fruitless babblings, and/or "spinning stories"?

and more important at the moment, what about TODAY!
TODAY has enough troubles for itself....
TODAY, if someone hears HIS VOICE< let them NOT rebel as they did in the wilderness and perished !

No utopia is promised. Utopia is a humanistic, emotion/ feeling/ doctrine opposed to all Scripture.

Find out TODAY. Don't wait. Many will not make it to tomorrow.
 
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and more important at the moment, what about TODAY!
TODAY has enough troubles for itself....
TODAY, if someone hears HIS VOICE< let them NOT rebel as they did in the wilderness and perished !

No utopia is promised. Utopia is a humanistic, emotion/ feeling/ doctrine opposed to all Scripture.

Find out TODAY. Don't wait. Many will not make it to tomorrow.
i agree, Jeff, but in the spirit of the subject of the thread.....

Thank you and God bless you Jeff :)
 
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I agree that the Earth will be where the kingdom will be. Zachariah 14 tells us this clearly.

I don't believe it will be a Utopia though. Zachariah 14 also tells us that those Nations that don't observe the feasts of God in that time will receive no rain for a full year, and if they are still rebellious towards God the next year and still won't obey Him and celebrate His feast of Tabernacles, that He'll destroy them. And there are scriptures that talk on the Nations revolting in those days.

I think that while Jesus will be here on Earth reigning, and those that were deemed worthy all have their new incorruptible immortal bodies, there will still be regular people that are still given the chance to repent and walk in truth and light. If they do, they will be taken out of the Nations and given eternal life. He still gives them a chance during the millennium reign before Satan is done away with forever, where it really would then be a Utopia.
 
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but in the spirit of the subject of the thread.....
Noticed going to look, the title of the thread is without Scriptural support,
the poll under the title is separate and doesn't include where most people will be finally,
and the 2nd post by the op promotes false teachings. (and throughout his posts also)
 
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Noticed going to look, the title of the thread is without Scriptural support,
the poll under the title is separate and doesn't include where most people will be finally,
and the 2nd post by the op promotes false teachings. (and throughout his posts also)
Thus my initial question, Jeff.

Peace. :)
 
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