medical marijuana for chronic inflammation?

Jamdoc · Oct 22, 2019

I'm a little bit anxious about the replies I may get but I thought I'd ask what people's feelings on medical marijuana for chronic inflammatory diseases like Rheumatoid Arthritis, Crohn's Disease, and in my case, Polyarticular Psoriatic Arthritis?
I know that under man's law it's illegal even in states that have legalized it or have medical programs the federal government considers it absolutely illegal, and we're supposed to obey even earthly authority.
I know we're supposed to avoid intoxication.
But at the same time I can't think of it NOT being evidence of intelligent design that God (yes, even though it is called "the Devil's Lettuce", God did not give Satan the power to create, so God did create this plant) created Cannabis and intended it for our use. It makes strong fiber, and can be used as medicine. Everything God made was Good, and that'd include things that maybe we don't see from our perspective as things we like (like flesh eating bacteria, mosquitos, and poison ivy). So the plant is good, but I think that mankind has perverted it, breeding it to have way more of the intoxicant THC than was originally designed, but even THC has some medical uses, in chronic inflammatory disorders it seems a small dose of THC with a much larger dose of CBD helps more than either alone (which again, attests to intelligent design, something not working on its own but working in concert to much greater effect in a way that man has failed to duplicate with a pill).
So while it's against man's laws, is it against God's laws to use it as medicine to alleviate pain and inflammation?

Vicky gould · Oct 22, 2019

Jamdoc said:
I'm a little bit anxious about the replies I may get but I thought I'd ask what people's feelings on medical marijuana for chronic inflammatory diseases like Rheumatoid Arthritis, Crohn's Disease, and in my case, Polyarticular Psoriatic Arthritis?
I know that under man's law it's illegal even in states that have legalized it or have medical programs the federal government considers it absolutely illegal, and we're supposed to obey even earthly authority.
I know we're supposed to avoid intoxication.
But at the same time I can't think of it NOT being evidence of intelligent design that God (yes, even though it is called "the Devil's Lettuce", God did not give Satan the power to create, so God did create this plant) created Cannabis and intended it for our use. It makes strong fiber, and can be used as medicine. Everything God made was Good, and that'd include things that maybe we don't see from our perspective as things we like (like flesh eating bacteria, mosquitos, and poison ivy). So the plant is good, but I think that mankind has perverted it, breeding it to have way more of the intoxicant THC than was originally designed, but even THC has some medical uses, in chronic inflammatory disorders it seems a small dose of THC with a much larger dose of CBD helps more than either alone (which again, attests to intelligent design, something not working on its own but working in concert to much greater effect in a way that man has failed to duplicate with a pill).
So while it's against man's laws, is it against God's laws to use it as medicine to alleviate pain and inflammation?

Hi, sorry to hear of your condition. I started a similar thread and was pleasantly surprised with reactions that folks wrote in response. I won’t go down the amount feeling one way or another.
CBD has all or almost all of the psychoactive chemicals removed and without that you cannot get high. I use a topical on my hands and it works better than any of the over the counter drugs or prescription. I have wondered if the situation was someone else being in the situation. Would the “Lord think it was loving on my part to ignore it or use it ? Which would the Lord consider the act of Love

timothyu · Oct 22, 2019

You are mistaking THC with CBD. Although CBD can be present in the THC stoner type of marijuana, THC is not in the industrial hemp plant that CBD is made from. That plant is farmed not only for CBD but for hemp clothing, rope, cat litter, fuel, vehicle metal substitute, food, etc. CBD is well known for it's pain application but has gotten in the way of profits of the chemical industry that can't lay claim to CBD. It also recently has shown promise with autism. There was even in the news the other day a story about a 5 yr old autistic boy who took drops and began speaking for the first time. So don't demonize God's non-opioid plants for the sake of capitalistic squalor. There is even a group of nuns in the US that grow it for it's medicinal value.

Jamdoc · Oct 22, 2019

I think you guys are getting a little bit confused here. I'm not talking about extracted and refined CBD but rather the whole plant, which does have THC in it, just in strains that are "wild" the way God made them I think THC is in much smaller amounts than what has been bred for use to get high. The black market almost bred the CBD genes out, but recently because of Medical marijuana research breeders have "saved" strains that are high in CBD, some using industrial hemp as a base and bred strains that are high in CBD but have low, but still present amounts of THC. I think that's closer to what God intended anyway, but the chemicals do work in concert with each other. Without THC CBD is less effective at reducing inflammation (But it only takes a small amount of THC to kickstart the effect), and without CBD, THC by itself causes anxiety and paranoia and is ineffective for pain control. There are also less researched chemicals in the plants such as the terpenes, CBN, CBG, there's something like 400 chemicals in the plant, and for decades they've tried isolating them in pills and such and just found that they're not as effective as the whole plant. The exception as far as I know is that pure CBD can reduce Epilepsy symptoms by over 40% or something like that it's significant but I have to wonder what if they used the whole plant rather than just an extract of a single chemical? What if in epilepsy as well a small dose of THC with larger doses of non psychoactive chemicals is more beneficial than any one chemical alone?
I wonder what the intended concentration of THC God intended originally, was it a threshold where it'd be effective medically but be under the dose needed to feel high? Or is it like opium where pain relief and feeling some euphoria and drowsiness are kind of unavoidable.

timothyu · Oct 22, 2019

Jamdoc said:
I wonder what the intended concentration of THC God intended originally, was it a threshold where it'd be effective medically but be under the dose needed to feel high? Or is it like opium where pain relief and feeling some euphoria and drowsiness are kind of unavoidable.

Probably the difference between giggle of years ago to outright sedation today.

Jamdoc · Oct 22, 2019

timothyu said:
Probably the difference between giggle of years ago to outright sedation today.

Yeah what's put out on the black market is definitely tailor bred for getting high and has way too much, and because CBD actually counteracts some of the psychoactivity of THC, they bred CBD really really low. Strains of like 30% THC, 0.1% CBD, and people SMOKE it rather than eat it so it hits them all at once and then they suffer panic attacks, anxiety, hallucinations, and definitely more distance from God, get psychologically dependent, and life comes crashing down because of ABUSE of something that was intended to be GOOD, then they have the concentrates where man's interference with God's nature is even more perverted. Nothing good comes from that.
I like a strain that is about 4% THC, and about 15% CBD. It resolves painful flareups pretty good, there's some initial pain relief (Probably THC caused there), then I take a nap or just go to bed, wake up, and the pain, swelling, redness (and sometimes PURPLENESS), and heat are VASTLY reduced, sometimes even just gone completely after the one use. Then I don't feel a need to use it again for weeks. Sometimes it takes a few uses but the improvement is always noticable after waking up. This is as opposed to taking ibuprofen pills, going to sleep, and waking up to throbbing pain and an ankle so swollen it's purple and just HOT to the touch, same thing with Opiates, they dull the pain temporarily and more the perception of pain than relief from pain, the pain is still there you just care about it less, but once they wear off, you're back in as much pain if not more.
So my personal feeling is, it comes from God, it's good, and if used responsibly doesn't take one away from God, especially if you marvel at the fact that God created this plant and specifically made it for our benefit and it is an agent of his healing, that ultimately ALL HEALING COMES FROM GOD, you just may not recognize its form when it comes to you. I feel that abuse is sin, and I feel that man manipulating something that is Good to get high is sin. My stumbling blocks are that we're commanded to obey earthly authority placed above us, which has deemed it illegal, and that while the plant is not mentioned specifically in scripture, some people view scriptures that say to not get drunk and not practice sorcery (which they explain the root word for sorcery in the bible is the same one as pharmaceuticals) as condemnations of use of the plant even for medical reasons.

timothyu · Oct 22, 2019

Jamdoc said:
My stumbling blocks are that we're commanded to obey earthly authority placed above us, which has deemed it illegal, and that while the plant is not mentioned specifically in scripture, some people view scriptures that say to not get drunk and not practice sorcery (which they explain the root word for sorcery in the bible is the same one as pharmaceuticals) as condemnations of use of the plant even for medical reasons.

I think the chemical industry are more the sorcerers. And hey, is it universally illegal? No. So which authourity then do you obey?

Kaon · Oct 22, 2019

Jamdoc said:
I'm a little bit anxious about the replies I may get but I thought I'd ask what people's feelings on medical marijuana for chronic inflammatory diseases like Rheumatoid Arthritis, Crohn's Disease, and in my case, Polyarticular Psoriatic Arthritis?
I know that under man's law it's illegal even in states that have legalized it or have medical programs the federal government considers it absolutely illegal, and we're supposed to obey even earthly authority.
I know we're supposed to avoid intoxication.
But at the same time I can't think of it NOT being evidence of intelligent design that God (yes, even though it is called "the Devil's Lettuce", God did not give Satan the power to create, so God did create this plant) created Cannabis and intended it for our use. It makes strong fiber, and can be used as medicine. Everything God made was Good, and that'd include things that maybe we don't see from our perspective as things we like (like flesh eating bacteria, mosquitos, and poison ivy). So the plant is good, but I think that mankind has perverted it, breeding it to have way more of the intoxicant THC than was originally designed, but even THC has some medical uses, in chronic inflammatory disorders it seems a small dose of THC with a much larger dose of CBD helps more than either alone (which again, attests to intelligent design, something not working on its own but working in concert to much greater effect in a way that man has failed to duplicate with a pill).
So while it's against man's laws, is it against God's laws to use it as medicine to alleviate pain and inflammation?

I am not going to convince you to break the law of the land, but every herb and plant put on here (especially seed bearing herbs) has been put here for our intelligent consumption. Does that mean run out and smoke bowls all day? No; just like wine isn't bad in the eyes of God (made from seed-bearing plants) yet being a drunk is, I think the Most High God put everything we need in many plants.

GMOs in cannabis won't even "take"; after the second or third generation, it is back to pure genetics.

If you are in a state that allows the consumption of cannabis, I would suggest sticking to that instead of CBD that has been refined and processed.

Jamdoc · Oct 22, 2019

Kaon said:
I am not going to convince you to break the law of the land, but every herb and plant put on here (especially seed bearing herbs) has been put here for our intelligent consumption. Does that mean run out and smoke bowls all day? No; just like wine isn't bad in the eyes of God (made from seed-bearing plants) yet being a drunk is, I think the Most High God put everything we need in many plants.

GMOs in cannabis won't even "take"; after the second or third generation, it is back to pure genetics.

If you are in a state that allows the consumption of cannabis, I would suggest sticking to that instead of CBD that has been refined and processed.

Yeah as hesitant as I was to use the plant at all because of the stigmas and belief that it was sin entirely (thank you misled pastors..), I will stick to the whole plant, no chemical extractions. I am in a medically legal state which is the only reason why this is even a discussion topic from me. It's the federal/state legal limbo that conflicts things for me.

timothyu · Oct 22, 2019

Jamdoc said:
It's the federal/state legal limbo that conflicts things for me.

Again.. some say legal, some say not so (and that expands beyond your borders) So which authority do you bow to, especially as a citizen of the Kingdom and not the world of man..

Kaon · Oct 22, 2019

Jamdoc said:
Yeah as hesitant as I was to use the plant at all because of the stigmas and belief that it was sin entirely (thank you misled pastors..), I will stick to the whole plant, no chemical extractions. I am in a medically legal state which is the only reason why this is even a discussion topic from me. It's the federal/state legal limbo that conflicts things for me.

Honestly, states are supposed to uphold their law even in the presence of a federal entity.

So, ideally, even if it was illegal federally, your State would protect you from any legal ramifications. Senators/Congresspersons et al have forgotten about how states are supposed to protect their citizens even in the face of a federal entity, so you get Californians (for example) who get raided by the feds even though they are legally operating in their state.

timothyu · Oct 22, 2019

Kaon said:
Senators/Congresspersons et al have forgotten about how states are supposed to protect their citizens even in the face of a federal entity, so you get Californians (for example) who get raided by the feds even though they are legally operating in their state.

Guess it's the taxes

Beetlepumper · Dec 7, 2019

The human body has billions of cannabinoid receptors that are for only one thing, yep you got it. I do not smoke it but after watching, thinking studying Medicinal uses I would rather try to take a Canna Plant over the myriad of pharmaceutical brews out there. Being a 62 year old pain patient for over 20 years the amount of pills is nutty. One for pain another to replace what the pain med removes. The psychotic episodes that take place when addicted to pain meds and Neuralgia medicines well it is scary. I mean deathly scarey when your 62 with 1000 pages or possibly 1400 now of medical reports and Doctors visits etc. At this age you have to lock it up and watch it. Long story here but my pain doc told me to try it and check it out to see if it can work for me but the cost is prohibitive for the 250.00 license and the 2-3 hundred per oz. Geesh and no insurance for that stuff. I am not 16 anymore and do not run with that crowd so I guess I will stay where I am unless doors open up. So for now it is up in smoke.

timothyu · Dec 7, 2019

CBD oil runs about $30 for two month supply and is not THC cannabis but made from legal industrial hemp. Made solely for pain management and inflammation. Anyone formerly military has access to a special brand just for them, guaranteed concentrations.

Jamdoc · Dec 7, 2019

I still feel that pure CBD is mostly just effective for epilepsy, but a CBD WITH THC is more effective for pain. Just needs to be a small amount.

timothyu · Dec 7, 2019

Jamdoc said:
I still feel that pure CBD is mostly just effective for epilepsy, but a CBD WITH THC is more effective for pain. Just needs to be a small amount.

Standardized dosage per bottle is approx 10% CBD and .3% THC. Single dosage is 25 -75 ml. Dose lasts on average 6 hours. Safe to drive on etc. as if you took a tylen*l or aspir*n.

Jamdoc · Dec 7, 2019

timothyu said:
Standardized dosage per bottle is approx 10% CBD and .3% THC. Single dosage is 25 -75 ml. Dose lasts on average 6 hours. Safe to drive on etc. as if you took a tylen*l or aspir*n.

See I've tried CBD extracts and they didn't do anything for the pain or inflammation, the strain that works best is 4-7% THC, 11-15% CBD

SANTOSO · Sep 14, 2020

Jamdoc said:
I'm a little bit anxious about the replies I may get but I thought I'd ask what people's feelings on medical marijuana for chronic inflammatory diseases like Rheumatoid Arthritis, Crohn's Disease, and in my case, Polyarticular Psoriatic Arthritis?
I know that under man's law it's illegal even in states that have legalized it or have medical programs the federal government considers it absolutely illegal, and we're supposed to obey even earthly authority.
I know we're supposed to avoid intoxication.
But at the same time I can't think of it NOT being evidence of intelligent design that God (yes, even though it is called "the Devil's Lettuce", God did not give Satan the power to create, so God did create this plant) created Cannabis and intended it for our use. It makes strong fiber, and can be used as medicine. Everything God made was Good, and that'd include things that maybe we don't see from our perspective as things we like (like flesh eating bacteria, mosquitos, and poison ivy). So the plant is good, but I think that mankind has perverted it, breeding it to have way more of the intoxicant THC than was originally designed, but even THC has some medical uses, in chronic inflammatory disorders it seems a small dose of THC with a much larger dose of CBD helps more than either alone (which again, attests to intelligent design, something not working on its own but working in concert to much greater effect in a way that man has failed to duplicate with a pill).
So while it's against man's laws, is it against God's laws to use it as medicine to alleviate pain and inflammation?

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FireDragon76 · Sep 23, 2021

Hemp is legal in the US at the federal level. Marijuana containing substantial THC is not. They are two different plants, even though they are the same species technically. Marijuana is a different bred strain. Industrial or wild hemp has negligible THC. That is the plant most CBD is extracted from.

I have consumed Marijuana in the past, and the experience is not comparable to consuming industrial hemp extracts. CBD relieves pain and it isn't addictive: it won't make you high. I've taken it for fibromyalgia and frozen shoulder syndrome in the past, and it worked well and helped me avoid taking opioid painkillers. It is not true that without THC, CBD is inferior for relieving inflammation. That's propaganda from some misguided Marijuana activists.

Hemp has been used for thousands of years in different cultures around the world, it's one of the oldest textile and food crops. It shouldn't have an illicit reputation. Japan, for instance, grows alot of hemp and it's almost a sacred plant there, but they have very strict anti-Marijuana and anti-drug laws.

So I think you shouldn't having any moral qualms about being interested in consuming hemp for pain relief.

timothyu · Sep 23, 2021

After a recent stay at hospital, they sent me home with a supply of something called tramadol. I looked it up and it does the exact same thing as CBD, coating the pain receptacles in the brain but with side effects and warnings and a higher volume required, unlike CBD. So obviously it is a matter of profits for synthetics drugs over natural solutions.

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