Will people go to Hell for worshipping on Sunday?

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Sin is the transgression of the law. period. You still sin. It is the curse that has been removed.


Do you stone people to death for picking up sticks to kindle a fire on the Sabbath?


Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15


For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12



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Do you understand the difference between the Torah and the law of Moses?

Yes. The Torah is the 5 books of Moshe. The Levitical law is part of that. There was not allowed to be sacrifice at any other but the Tabernacle in the wilderness and in Israel, and the Temple replaced the Tabernacle. So again, no one who adheres to Torah is allowed to make an alter and sacrifice since there is no Temple. And a result of that Rabbinical Judaism came to the forefront. Sacrifice became acts of charity and other stuff.
 
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Yes. The Torah is the 5 books of Moshe. The Levitical law is part of that. There was not allowed to be sacrifice at any other but the Tabernacle in the wilderness and in Israel, and the Temple replaced the Tabernacle. So again, no one who adheres to Torah is allowed to make an alter and sacrifice since there is no Temple. And a result of that Rabbinical Judaism came to the forefront. Sacrifice became acts of charity and other stuff.


Judaism does not recognize Jesus as Messiah.



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Judaism does not recognize Jesus as Messiah.....

Righteous Judaism does, clearly.

Also, TORAH, PROPHETS and PSALMS (probably NT also), do not have 'charity' (a modern word/mistranslated idea....

The obedient Jews practice righteousness, not charity. Big difference, both in motive, in instructions, and so forth - Scripture / Yahuweh's Word commands Righteousness, not 'charity' (though it has been often translated 'charity' in error) ( it seems ) ....
 
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No.... the Temple is not in place. So that argument about sacrifices does not hold. One is not allowed in the Levitical law to just build and alter and sacrifice in their back yard. Probably not a good idea to take things to the extreme to support a contention.
Your saying that you are not bound by the law.
 
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No.... the Temple is not in place. So that argument about sacrifices does not hold. One is not allowed in the Levitical law to just build and alter and sacrifice in their back yard. Probably not a good idea to take things to the extreme to support a contention.
People were sacrificing way before the temple was built.

Genesis 31:54
Then Jacob offered a sacrifice on the mountain, and called his kinsmen to the meal; and they ate the meal and spent the night on the mountain.

See, no temple needed.
 
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The Son created all things.


For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:16



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The Son breathed the Spirit of Life into Adam.



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For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.
Deuteronomy 10:17


This is YHWH, the Son.




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not so fast

Just because an entity carries the Name or Names or Titles of God does not make them God

God gave Jesus His Name (John 17:11)

The Angel / Messenger of God carried God's Name with authority over sins as it led the Israelites from Egypt (Exodus 23:21)

But the Messenger of God is not God Himself, even when imbued with much of God's own authority

God is always invisible & transcendent in heaven (John 1:18), so any sort of Messenger of God visible & immanent on earth is a distinct entity (John 1:14)

An ambassador speaks with authority & power, but is not technically the actual nation sending them
 
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You act like there was a separation...then there was none. Is "Christianity" a replacement of Judaism (separate) or a "continuation"?? This is what you need to ask.
an unfolding development of?

And early Christianity was "bi-cameral", everyone could tell ethnically Jewish Christians following all Mosaic Law from gentile Christians following "only" Noachide Law

Paul says "there is no Jew or Greek, male of female..." but no one was left in doubt as to who were the sisters and who were the brothers

Yes, they were all "united" (John 17:20-23) but they were all exactly the same
 
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Circumcision is a law within the law of Moses. Your talking about another covenant, the covenant that God made with Abraham and his descendants.Circumcision is a sign of the covenant that God established with Abraham.
Which covenant are you referring to here?I agree.

Yet circumcision was a legal requirement under the law of Moses. If a person was not circumcised according to the law of Moses, they would be expelled from the nation of Israel.
could we clarify, circumcision was an "Abrahamic Law" given to Abraham... and continued by his descendants including not only Moses but all of Israel?

The "Books of Moses" (Pentateuch, Torah) which he is credited with authoring detail human history all the way back, so including much ancient history before Moses' time

His books he wrote detail a series of Laws which "stack" on top of each other, including Laws given by God to Noah, Abraham & Moses

Think you could clarify, that the Mosaic Books describe "Noachide Law", "Abrahamic Law", "Mosaic Law" ?
 
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Your saying that you are not bound by the law.

Depends. "the law" is a pretty broad statement. The Torah, from the root Yara, simply means instruction or teaching. The Torah teaches of the Messiah throughout it.

But if you mean "the Law" of Moshe, Yep, I guess I am saying I am not bound to it. I am not Hebrew. I am not part of the Sinai Covenant. It was made with the Hebrew people when they were brought out of Egypt.

I am bound by "the law" of the Spirit. Since I am still in my flesh, "the law" of sin still has sway over me. But I have been made free of "the law" of sin and death. And thru Yeshua, I have attained "the law" of righteousness.

All of these "the law" statements from the letter to the Romans written by Paul.
 
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<EN>not so fast
Just because an entity carries the Name or Names or Titles of God does not make them God
God gave Jesus His Name (John 17:11)
The Angel / Messenger of God carried God's Name with authority over sins as it led the Israelites from Egypt (Exodus 23:21)
But the Messenger of God is not God Himself, even when imbued with much of God's own authority
God is always invisible & transcendent in heaven (John 1:18), so any sort of Messenger of God visible & immanent on earth is a distinct entity (John 1:14)
An ambassador speaks with authority & power, but is not technically the actual nation sending them<EN>
The angel was NOT named God.
Jesus is NOT a messenger.
When God names someone He means what He says e.g. when God named Abram, Abraham, i.e. father of a multitude that is what he became.
 
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<EN>not so fast
Just because an entity carries the Name or Names or Titles of God does not make them God
God gave Jesus His Name (John 17:11)
The Angel / Messenger of God carried God's Name with authority over sins as it led the Israelites from Egypt (Exodus 23:21)
But the Messenger of God is not God Himself, even when imbued with much of God's own authority
God is always invisible & transcendent in heaven (John 1:18), so any sort of Messenger of God visible & immanent on earth is a distinct entity (John 1:14)
An ambassador speaks with authority & power, but is not technically the actual nation sending them<EN>

The angel was NOT named God.
Jesus is NOT a messenger.
When God names someone He means what He says e.g. when God named Abram, Abraham, i.e. father of a multitude that is what he became.
Exodus 23:20-21

The Angel of God goes before the Israelites and won't pardon sins because God's Name is in him

That Angel of God is identified with the (pre-incarnate) Christ in Jude 1:4-5

NIV First-Century Study Bible
Jude 1:5 The Lord. Some early manuscripts say “Jesus.” The textual discrepancies seem to reveal the elevation of Jesus’ divine status, blurring the lines between the acts of Jesus and those of YHWH.


Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary of the New Testament
The Lord delivered his people out of Egypt (Jude 1:5)
Jude, of course, alludes to one of the great formative events in Israel’s history: God’s rescuing his people from their slavery in Egypt in order to form them into his own special people (Ex. 614). An interesting variant reading in some manuscripts has “Jesus delivered his people out of Egypt” in place of “Lord. ” A few scholars think this may be original, reflecting the same tradition that Paul refers to in 1 Corinthians 10:4, where he identifies the “rock” that followed the Israelites in the desert with Christ.
 
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There is no scripture where Jesus commands us to worship on the Sabbath.


Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath, as He is our peace and our rest.


Now that the law of Moses has been abolished, the Sabbath is simply a day for man to rest.




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So in other words, you can’t show those things. Got it.
 
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Don't know what they believe but I know what I believe concerning God's Truth.
Romans 14:5-9

Who is anyone to pass judgment upon another?: Romans 14:1-4 God is our only Judge when it comes to eternal life or hell.

While true, that's an incomplete picture, and doesn't address the topic of the sabbath day.

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living."

Hence, Col. 2:16, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

However, in quoting that, we must remember also that the "sabbath was made for man" not only as a holy day, but a day of rest, having spiritual/eternal relevance to the believer who is promised to attain this rest with our Lord in paradise. It's God's time. A rest for our souls. It was the intended eternal life of Adam, before his sin, and before Eve's pro-creation. Now a gift for many, for the 'world'. - The Lord being the perfected Adam, and Lord of the Sabbath, and the groom of the wedding. Thus, the sabbath is and will be eternally true, but also a kind of rehearsal for the final ceremony when the church meets the Lord (a recurring theme in Scripture). Thus the Law/Torah/OC and the NC promise/'Gospel' are the same thing, two sides of the same coin. Part 1 and Part 2 of the same story. Therefore, if a person loves God, he will understand this and keep his law, instruction, commandment, or 'yoke' and receives the blessing of his promise. Life everlasting. The will of God, as expressed by his very lips.

"I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." (Mt. 11:28-29)

In practice, the weekly sabbath is symbol of salvation, liberation/non-enslavement to the world, not doing 'servile work'. However, weekly Sunday worship is arguably illegitimate, although legal, legitimate, and acceptable on certain days of the year, per the timing that the Apostles gathered after the Lord's burial, after the sabbath day, and after the Passover...

"There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." (Heb. 49-11) Hebrews 4:9-16 KJV;TR1550 - There remaineth therefore a rest to the - Bible Gateway

9 αρα απολειπεται σαββατισμος τω λαω του θεου

σαββατισμός, the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.). Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

Blessed be God. :)
 
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Righteous Judaism does, clearly.

Also, TORAH, PROPHETS and PSALMS (probably NT also), do not have 'charity' (a modern word/mistranslated idea....

The obedient Jews practice righteousness, not charity. Big difference, both in motive, in instructions, and so forth - Scripture / Yahuweh's Word commands Righteousness, not 'charity' (though it has been often translated 'charity' in error) ( it seems ) ....


What is the difference in the teachings of “righteous Judaism” and
Judaism?


I have never heard of “righteous Judaism”.



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