The Democrates must be admitting defeat

Original Happy Camper said:

Unless their whole intent is just to put a black mark on his presidency by saying the house impeached him but the Senate did not convict.

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This. The Notorious RBG isn’t far from finding out how little her notoriety means to "the One to whom we must give account" She’s nearing death and the Dems know it. A man with a black mark is not "fit" to appoint her successor. Watch and see, these people are utterly devoid of originality. This cliche is their modus operandi.

Original Happy Camper said:

based on this headline

Dem Rep. Green: ‘No Limit’ to How Many Times We Can Try to Impeach Trump
(only if they keep the majority in the house)

Thursday on C-SPAN, Rep. Al Green (D-TX) discussed impeachment, saying “there is no limit” to how many times the House and Senate can try to impeach President Donald Trump.

Green said he suspects Trump will have additional offenses in the future, so he believes House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) will “move forward” with a vote to impeach Trump for his alleged quid pro quo demand with Ukraine and then try again “at a later time” if they find more during their investigations.

Dem Rep. Green: 'No Limit' to How Many Times We Can Try to Impeach Trump | Breitbart

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So if Trump does win the 2020 election we can have four more years of impeachment? Woot! Wait?

Ah, I get it. The new Democratic Party strategy. If you voters elect Trump we will subject you all to four more years of impeachment as punishment. So if you DON'T want that, a fate worse than death, you better vote against Trump.

chevyontheriver said:

So if Trump does win the 2020 election we can have four more years of impeachment? Woot! Wait?

Ah, I get it. The new Democratic Party strategy. If you voters elect Trump we will subject you all to four more years of impeachment as punishment. So if you DON'T want that, a fate worse than death, you better vote against Trump.

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OR seen another way: "Why not try electing someone who doesn't do impeachable things all the time?".
tulc(thinks that's more accurate)

OR seen another way: "Why not try electing someone who doesn't do impeachable things all the time?".

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There was talk of impeachment even before Trump started in office. One could argue that for Trump to continue breathing is an impeachable offense for some people.

I've got no dog in this fight. I didn't vote for Trump, nor for Hillary. He's not my guy. Nor do I feel he stole the election from Hillary. Elections, and the last one was fair enough, have consequences. At least that's what president Obama used to say.

Original Happy Camper said:

Executive privilege is not a crime Take it to the Supreme Court and let the third leg of the government decide if that it is obstruction

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The Constitution gives the Legislative branch of government the SOLE responsibility for the impeachment process, not the Courts.

There isn't any Executive privilege when it comes to impeachment.

Original Happy Camper said:

based on this headline

Dem Rep. Green: ‘No Limit’ to How Many Times We Can Try to Impeach Trump
(only if they keep the majority in the house)

Thursday on C-SPAN, Rep. Al Green (D-TX) discussed impeachment, saying “there is no limit” to how many times the House and Senate can try to impeach President Donald Trump.

Green said he suspects Trump will have additional offenses in the future, so he believes House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) will “move forward” with a vote to impeach Trump for his alleged quid pro quo demand with Ukraine and then try again “at a later time” if they find more during their investigations.

Dem Rep. Green: 'No Limit' to How Many Times We Can Try to Impeach Trump | Breitbart

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Green's a moron. What dumb thing to say. His glee over tearing apart the country is telling.

He is basically telling the world that this whole process is a pre-ordained deal. The DEMS will vote to impeach, and then the GOP will vote not to indict. This is nothing no one doesn't know already, unless they are living under a rock. Could it change? Possibility, but I don't see it yet.

So, he continues past that point to inform everyone they plan on continuing to come up to bat and keep trying to see if they can actually do it the next time. By making that statement he knows they don't have enough to make it over the finish line. Yet, they will keep trying until they accomplish it. Sadly, every President after this one will be facing the same thing. This isn't healthy for the country, but rep's in Washington don't care.

Pelosi once said that impeachment should be bipartisan, compelling and overwhelming. I agree with her it should be. Yet, she has broken her own rules this time...and they are going up to bat to see if they can hit a home run. Their talking point for the election will be don't re-elect a President that was voted to be impeached. It will tear the country apart worse than it is now, and at this point in history won't work well for them. They are going to drag the Biden's into this, and it's going to get ugly. I hope he doesn't represent the DEM's mindset to be honest. They won't be able to complain to much about Trump's behavior/actions when they show so little regard for their actions towards the country. It's irresponsible to move forward on something this serious unless you have slam dunk, and they don't have that now.

Original Happy Camper said:

Not one witness has provided factual evidence of a crime. Based on your statement please list one crime he has committed, please.

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Fox News and Judge Napolitano explains...

And it seems to me that "yes, he did it, but the democrats are poopy-heads" is not a very smart defense.

Original Happy Camper said:

based on this headline

Dem Rep. Green: ‘No Limit’ to How Many Times We Can Try to Impeach Trump
(only if they keep the majority in the house)

Thursday on C-SPAN, Rep. Al Green (D-TX) discussed impeachment, saying “there is no limit” to how many times the House and Senate can try to impeach President Donald Trump.

Green said he suspects Trump will have additional offenses in the future, so he believes House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) will “move forward” with a vote to impeach Trump for his alleged quid pro quo demand with Ukraine and then try again “at a later time” if they find more during their investigations.

Dem Rep. Green: 'No Limit' to How Many Times We Can Try to Impeach Trump | Breitbart

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Green messed up stating that as it verifies their main goal currently.

Of course the Dems would love to drag out the impeachment process as long as possible in an effort to create as much negative PR for President Trump as possible prior to the next general election. Creating negative PR is their main goal at this point.

Must keep such people out of congress. Hired politicians wasting taxpayer money and neglecting their real duties. Incredible ignorance; great wickedness.

tulc said:

...shouldn't they be, I don't know, defeated or something before they have to admit defeat?
tulc(is just wondering)

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The Dems had not a clue concerning the coming defeat the day of the 2016 General. This impeachment charade is to their hurt.

A Realist said:

Not sure how this means they're "admitting defeat".

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Well, they don't seem to be considering the possibility of winning the White House in 2020 anymore.

So, y'know. There's that.

HannahT said:

So, he continues past that point to inform everyone they plan on continuing to come up to bat and keep trying to see if they can actually do it the next time. By making that statement he knows they don't have enough to make it over the finish line. Yet, they will keep trying until they accomplish it. Sadly, every President after this one will be facing the same thing. This isn't healthy for the country, but rep's in Washington don't care.

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Such unfounded pessimism will not improve the situation in the least.

tulc said:

But here you go: quid-pro-quo: demanding a foreign government do something to help a President with an internal political situation in exchange for aid already allotted for them.
tulc(is going to fetch more coffee)

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Thought that horse was beyond dead already?

The majority no longer buy that one.

M-Bob

So if the GOP is "victorious", then what exactly is your trophy? You get your fascist regime you wanted? Or do you just want Russian patsies running the US?

Mountainmanbob said:

The majority no longer buy that one.

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Well, let's take a look...
70% of Americans say Trump’s actions tied to Ukraine were wrong: POLL
ABC News/Ipsos released a new poll after the first week of impeachment hearings.
70% of Americans say Trump’s actions tied to Ukraine were wrong: POLL

The Barbarian said:

Well, let's take a look...
70% of Americans say Trump’s actions tied to Ukraine were wrong: POLL
ABC News/Ipsos released a new poll after the first week of impeachment hearings.
70% of Americans say Trump’s actions tied to Ukraine were wrong: POLL

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What is the caliber and motivation of the persons that took the time to participate in this poll? Unless I am mistaken, about half of the poll respondents (that concluded that Trump did wrong) made up their minds before the pertinent facts were even available (see question 3 of the poll).

What? I must not be understanding somethting.

That seems to call into question the usefulness of the poll. Anyone have more info on this poll?

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default...e-abc-ipsos-impeachment-hearings-11182019.pdf

Mountainmanbob said:

Thought that horse was beyond dead already?

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Of course you do. That's why I asked why bother posting anything? It's not like there's any thing president Trump could say or do that would make any difference in his bases support. He just paid a $2,000,000 fine and his people didn't bat an eye, he just attacked a 14 year old girl, and his base cheered him on. It's pretty clear this has (for a lot of his supporters) become more of a religious belief then one based on any sort of political consideration.

The majority no longer buy that one.

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Well, except for the people who still believe in facts of course, for them it's pretty clear he did exactly what was said he did: asked a foreign government to investigate a political rival or they wouldn't receive the aid they were given.

M-Bob

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tulc(just back from helping out some friends and drinking more coffee)

AACJ said:

What is the caliber and motivation of the persons that took the time to participate in this poll?

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Various. Some wouldn't believe it, regardless of the evidence. Some would believe it regardless. And some are just looking at the evidence. That's how opinion is. I'm just pointing out that the comment:

The majority no longer buy that one.

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Is very, very wrong.

What? I must not be understanding somethting.

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Yes. When 70% of Americans think Trump did something wrong, that's definitely a majority.

That seems to call into question the usefulness of the poll.

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Since the intent of the poll was to find out how many Americans thought Trump was guilty of wrongdoing, it seems to have been very useful.

Anyone have more info on this poll?

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You could have checked the link:
"The study was conducted in both English and Spanish. The data were weighted to adjust for gender by age, race, education, Census region, metropolitan status, household income, and party identification. The demographic benchmarks came from the 2019 March supplement of the U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey (CPS). Party ID benchmarks are from recent ABC News/Washington Post telephone polls. The weighting categories were as follows:

• Gender (Male/Female) by Age (18–29, 30–44, 45–59, and 60+)
• Race/Hispanic Ethnicity (White/Non-Hispanic, Black/Non-Hispanic, Other or 2+ Races/Non-Hispanic, Hispanic)
• Education (Less than High School, High School graduate, Some College, Bachelor and beyond)
• Census Region (Northeast, Midwest, South, West)
• Metropolitan status (Metro, non-Metro)
• Household Income (Under $25,000, $25,000-$49,999, $50,000-$74,999, $75,000-$99,999, $100,000-$149,999, $150,000+)
• Party ID (Democrat, Republican, Independent, Other/None)

The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 4.8 percentage points at the 95% confidence level, for results based on the entire sample of adults. The margin of sampling error takes into account the design effect, which was 1.22. The margin of sampling error is higher and varies for results based on sub-samples. In our reporting of the findings, percentage points are rounded off to the nearest whole number. As a result, percentages in a given table column may total slightly higher or lower than 100%. In questions that permit multiple responses, columns may total substantially more than 100%, depending on the number of different responses offered by each respondent."