Constantine created Christianity

mmksparbud said:

No, the bible nowhere says that Sunday was ever a day of worship, they met on a Saturday night.

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JM said:

It's repeated often but I haven't been able to track down a source for such a claim, a claim so easily refuted.

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Albion said:

There are some, that's right. The Herbert W. Armstrong spin-off churches for instance. However, the SDAs are best known for making the arguments that have been made here on this thread.

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Daniel Marsh said:

I stated the Sunday Law Fear is of SDA. I even said some Christians worshiped on Saturday, where as many worshiped daily.

Matthew 28:1[ News That Jesus Has Risen From Death ] The day after the Sabbath day was the first day of the week. That day at dawn Mary Magdalene and the other woman named Mary went to look at the tomb.

Mark 14:12[ The Passover Meal ] It was now the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread—the day the lambs were killed for the Passover. Jesus’ followers came to him and said, “We will go and prepare everything for you to eat the Passover meal. Where do you want us to have the meal?”

Mark 16:2Very early on that day, the first day of the week, the women were going to the tomb. It was very early after sunrise.

Mark 16:9[ Some Followers See Jesus ] Jesus rose from death early on the first day of the week. He appeared first to Mary Magdalene. One time in the past Jesus had forced seven demons out of Mary.

Acts 20:18When they came, Paul said to them, “You know about my life from the first day I came to Asia. You know the way I lived all the time I was with you.

1 Corinthians 16:2On the first day of every week, each of you should take some of your money and put it in a special place. Save up as much as you can from what you are blessed with. Then you will not have to gather it all after I come.

Romans 14:5-6 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
5 Some people might believe that one day is more important than another. And others might believe that every day is the same. Everyone should be sure about their beliefs in their own mind. 6 Those who think one day is more important than other days are doing that for the Lord. And those who eat all kinds of food are doing that for the Lord. Yes, they give thanks to God for that food. And those who refuse to eat some foods do that for the Lord. They also give thanks to God.

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that is, by four in one day, from the eighth …divine Scriptures themselves. And from the eighth day before…. And from the eighth day before the Kalends of July,

Chapter XVII.
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first day; and the season of summer is divided by the eighth day before the Kalends of July, and that of autumn by the eighth before the Kalends of October, and

Luke 1:59
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THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO LUKE - Chapter 1 - Verse 59 Verse 59. On the eighth day. This was the day on which it was required to circumcise children,

Chapter XXI.—The date of the martyrdom.
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day of the month Xanthicus just begun, The translation is … “of the present month.” the seventh day before…eighth hour. Great obscurity hangs over the chronology here
The Ancients Assumed Original Sin.

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were brought even before the eighth day after his birth,…baptized before the eighth day. None agreed with the person … that the uncertain question of the eighth day was solved,
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Now the blessed Polycarp was martyred on the second day of… the eighth hour. He was apprehended by Herodes, when

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the eighth century. preached at Edessa and in Mesopotamia … the days of Abgar the king. And, when he was

Jewish Customs.
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their sons on the eighth day without fail, and shed … Gentiles has ever submitted to this on the eighth day;…the world, mixed with Gentiles, and on the eighth day

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the bishop, or to the presbyters, on the fifth day of… the Trullan Synod in its seventy-eighth canon.
The Eighty Concubines, What; The Knowledge of the Incarnation Communicated to the Prophets.

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the spiritual eighth day Here, and in many other places…seed, and foretold the circumcision of the spiritual eighth day

Questions 51-75
The Westminster Shorter Catechism
Sabbath-day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day …For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the
St. Anatolius

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Nicomedia on the day preceding the kalends of May, 30th of April. in the eighth consulship of Galerius…divine forgiveness. In a few days after he was consumed by
Tersteegen, Gerhard (1697-1769)

and Lord of glory! Easter Day. Evening: The Resurrection from the Death of Sin Eighth Sunday after Trinity: The…Day: The Childlike Heart Jesus, pitying Saviour, hear
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beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another …Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in …of His hands in six days, and He ended on the

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the eighth day. How could he have so sinned, how so… not circumcised on the eighth day, his soul shall be … the eighth day, that is, by the sacrament of the

Leviticus 12
Darby Trans. Bible
And on the eighth day shall the flesh of his foreskin …shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of the…days in the blood of her cleansing; no holy thing
Leviticus 12

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eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. …she shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of …three days. She shall not touch any holy thing, nor

Cyprian the bishop.
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and Gallienus, in the eighth persecution, on the same day that Cornelius was put to death at Rome, but not

Why the Circumcision of Infants Was Enjoined Under Pain of So Great a Punishment.
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mother’s womb, on the eighth day from their birth; … not circumcised on the eighth day.” Gen.
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seventh day of seventh days. The eighth is the …to hear called a festival. This festival is every day. The second festival is the seventh day, which
John 7:2

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wilderness, Le 23:42,43. The feast was continued eight days, and the eighth or last day was the most distinguished…the fifteenth day of the month Tisri, answering to the

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circumcise the children on the eighth day, was a type of the… all the days, is called, however, the eighth, … first day after the Sabbath, [namely through] our Lord

Chapter XV.—The false and the true Sabbath.
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shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a …the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which …creation [thus]: “And God made in six days the
In What Sense Christ is Called 'Sin.'

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as if circumcised on the eighth day; inasmuch as he is circumcised in Him who rose again the third day indeed … come to heal our offences. On whatever day, therefore
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administered before the eighth day, he endeavoured, as far…eighth day that infants were before circumcised), that they…baptized and sanctified before the eighth day after its birth,
Leviticus 12
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And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be… she shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of…her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no

Leviticus 12

bear a man child, she shall be unclean seven days, according to the days of the separation of her flowers. And on the eighth day the infant shall be circumcised:

Leviticus 12
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: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his
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Psalm XII
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be taken as the day of judgment. “For the eighth… This Psalm was used by the Hebrews on the eighth day… To the end, for the eighth, a psalm of David.

Further References to Cyprian.
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infant might be baptized before the eighth day, this …put away, ought to be given before the eighth day. To…the eighth day, we all thought very differently in our

John 7:37
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Verse 37 Verse 37. In the last day. The eighth day of the festival. That great day. The day of … seems to have been called the great day, 1st. Because
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Hymns of the Early Church: Translations from the Poetry of the Latin Church by Brownlie, John
eighth century. Found in three MSS. of the eleventh … Day in that author’s “Hymns of the Primitive Church…captives hailed the glorious day; And by Thy mighty triumph
Dedication.

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May-day, Anno Dom. 1517, in the ninth year of King Henry the Eighth, wherein much mischief was done …more confounded. This last good May-day hath made
The Platonists’ Opinion About the Existence of the Soul Previous to the Body Rejected.

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of the foreskin. For the eighth day, in the recurrence of weeks, became the Lord’s day, on which the
Chapter XVIII.—Passages from Moses, which the heretics pervert to the support of their hypothesis.

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the eighth day, for sometimes they will have him to … the eighth day, Gen. xvii. 12. represented the… creation, every one of them generates something new, day
He Touched Her Hand

Matthew 1:25
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eighth day, at the time of his circumcision, Lu 2

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following are the contents of the eighth book of the Refutation… err who contend for keeping Easter on the fourteenth day
In What Respect the Pelagians Acknowledge God as the Author of Our Justification.

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receive on the eighth day after birth; he immediately adds

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am entered this day into the seventy-eight year of my… as when I entered the twenty-eighth. This hath God

Leviticus 22:26-28; Exodus 22:20; Exodus 34:26; Deuteronomy 14:21
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and from the eighth day and thenceforth it shall be … eighth day thou shalt give it me. … grow accustomed to cruelty. The eighth day is

John 7:22
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10. Ye on the sabbath-day, &c. The law required that the child should be circumcised on the eighth day. If that day happened to be the Sabbath, yet they
Chapter XXIV.—The Christians’ circumcision far more excellent.

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it is possible for us to show how the eighth day possessed a certain mysterious import, which the seventh day did… hands all the day unto a disobedient and gainsaying people
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whole earth. When that day dawned, in the eighth … Chap. XII. A fit and auspicious day was … “That day, the harbinger of death, arose,

Leviticus 23

holocausts to the Lord. The eighth day also shall be most…on the first day and the eighth shall be a sabbath, …which you shall call holy. Six days shall ye do
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eighth day shall be a holy convocation to you; and you…rest, and on the eighth day shall be a solemn rest.…. “‘Six days shall work be done: but

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The Consecration of Joy
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unto the Lord; on the eighth day shall be an holy…sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath. …assembly on the first and eighth days, with cessation from

Chapter IX. The reason why a Vigil is appointed as the Sabbath day dawns, and why a dispensation…

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appointed as the Sabbath day dawns, and why a dispensation … East before the Sabbath (Saturday) and Lord’s Day,…Saviour had been crucified on the sixth day of the week,

Hymn XIX.

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. 11. Let the eighth day, which circumcised the …triumphs, the sum of all help:—as the first day of …the sword. 3. The day of the All-Lightening,

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offering made by fire unto Jehovah: on the eighth day …day shall be a solemn rest, and on the eighth day …feasts. Six days shall work be done: but on the

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eighth day ye have a holy convocation, and ye have … eighth day a sabbath; and ye have taken to …they [are] My appointed seasons: six days is work


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on the eighth day before the kalends of April, which is the twenty-fifth day of the month of March, in the
The Burgundians embrace Christianity under Theodosius the Younger.

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the eighth day baptized and dismissed them. Accordingly becoming…ordering them to fast seven days, and having meanwhile
Josephus, son of Matthias.

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highly esteemed. In the eighth book of his Antiquities he…appeared to them the third day alive. Many things, both …Christians, so named from Him, exists to the present day.
Jesus the Christ.

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Be Baptized Before the eighth day After Its Birth, He …eighth day, we all thought very differently in our council.… the eighth day in the Jewish circumcision of the flesh,
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circumcision on the eighth day in the Old Testament, and …day which is certainly the eighth, and at the same time…kingdom of heaven.” This eighth sentence, which goes back
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circumcision on the eighth day in the Old Testament, and …day which is certainly the eighth, and at the same time…kingdom of heaven.” This eighth sentence, which goes back

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prodromos said:

You claimed that Constantine made Christianity "the" State religion in 324. He did no such thing.

I'm not the one making false claims.

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Daniel Marsh said:

I posted primary sources that disproves the false history claims that Constantine made Christianity. I also posted Church Fathers and scriptures that shows Christians worshiped on days other than the sabbath. Some worshiped everyday, Some on Sunday aka as First day aka Eight day aka Lord's day, and some worshiped on Saturday.

So far those making the false claims really have not proven the theme of this thread.
They had an tency to run down rabbit holes like antisemitism, and now the Sabbath Law fear thing.

Try

Listing the claims of What Constine introduced, so all can see if it is even worth the time to consider.

Quote only from Primary Sources with links to them in their original context. So, others can check out.

Don't waste our time with nonsense sites like wikipedia or with other secondary sources for that matter.

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mmksparbud said:

Again, I know of no one who has said Constantine made Christianity!

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mmksparbud said:

How can you prove something that is not true to begin with!!

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Deade said:

I didn't say it was outlawed at Nicaea. Read it, I said later it was outlawed. BTW proclaiming one anathema from Christ in fourth century Rome was a death sentence.

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Deade said:

Wars against Licinius
In the following years, Constantine gradually consolidated his military superiority over his rivals in the crumbling Tetrarchy. In 313, he met Licinius in Milan to secure their alliance by the marriage of Licinius and Constantine's half-sister Constantia. During this meeting, the emperors agreed on the so-called Edict of Milan,[195] officially granting full tolerance to Christianity and all religions in the Empire.[196] The document had special benefits for Christians, legalizing their religion and granting them restoration for all property seized during Diocletian's persecution. It repudiates past methods of religious coercion and used only general terms to refer to the divine sphere—"Divinity" and "Supreme Divinity", summa divinitas.[197] The conference was cut short, however, when news reached Licinius that his rival Maximinus had crossed the Bosporus and invaded European territory. Licinius departed and eventually defeated Maximinus, gaining control over the entire eastern half of the Roman Empire. Relations between the two remaining emperors deteriorated, as Constantine suffered an assassination attempt at the hands of a character that Licinius wanted elevated to the rank of Caesar;[198] Licinius, for his part, had Constantine's statues in Emona destroyed.[199] In either 314 or 316 AD, the two Augusti fought against one another at the Battle of Cibalae, with Constantine being victorious. They clashed again at the Battle of Mardia in 317, and agreed to a settlement in which Constantine's sons Crispus and Constantine II, and Licinius' son Licinianus were made caesars.[200] After this arrangement, Constantine ruled the dioceses of Pannonia and Macedonia and took residence at Sirmium, whence he could wage war on the Goths and Sarmatians in 322, and on the Goths in 323, defeating and killing their leader Rausimod.[198]

In the year 320, Licinius allegedly reneged on the religious freedom promised by the Edict of Milan in 313 and began to oppress Christians anew,[201] generally without bloodshed, but resorting to confiscations and sacking of Christian office-holders.[202] Although this characterization of Licinius as anti-Christian is somewhat doubtful, the fact is that he seems to have been far less open in his support of Christianity than Constantine. Therefore, Licinius was prone to see the Church as a force more loyal to Constantine than to the Imperial system in general,[203] as the explanation offered by the Church historian Sozomen.[204]

This dubious arrangement eventually became a challenge to Constantine in the West, climaxing in the great civil war of 324. Licinius, aided by Goths mercenaries, represented the past and the ancient pagan faiths. Constantine and his Franks marched under the standard of the labarum, and both sides saw the battle in religious terms. Outnumbered, but fired by their zeal, Constantine's army emerged victorious in the Battle of Adrianople. Licinius fled across the Bosphorus and appointed Martinian, his magister officiorum, as nominal Augustus in the West, but Constantine next won the Battle of the Hellespont, and finally the Battle of Chrysopolis on 18 September 324.[205] Licinius and Martinian surrendered to Constantine at Nicomedia on the promise their lives would be spared: they were sent to live as private citizens in Thessalonica and Cappadocia respectively, but in 325 Constantine accused Licinius of plotting against him and had them both arrested and hanged; Licinius' son (the son of Constantine's half-sister) was killed in 326.[206] Thus Constantine became the sole emperor of the Roman Empire.[2

In 321, he legislated that the venerable Sunday should be a day of rest for all citizens.[224] In 323, he issued a decree banning Christians from participating in state sacrifices.[225] After the pagan gods had disappeared from his coinage, Christian symbols appeared as Constantine's attributes, the chi rho between his hands or on his labarum,[226] as well on the coin itself.[227]

The reign of Constantine established a precedent for the emperor to have great influence and authority in the early Christian councils, most notably the dispute over Arianism. Constantine disliked the risks to societal stability that religious disputes and controversies brought with them, preferring to establish an orthodoxy.[228] His influence over the Church councils was to enforce doctrine, root out heresy, and uphold ecclesiastical unity; the Church's role was to determine proper worship, doctrines, and dogma.[229]

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Looks like establishing Christianity to me. BTW - I am not SDA.

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Gracia Singh said:

With all due respect. And I say this is someone who tried this once.

The Law of Moses was for the Jews.

No where in the New Testament are Christians commanded to rest on the Sabbath. No where. We do, however, see a number of passages giving us liberty to *not* rest on the Sabbath. Which is significant.

If you try to observe one aspect of Mosaic Law, which while God given was meant only for the Jews, you must observe all. If Messiah fulfills the Law, He fulfils all of it. All of it. Not just one part, but all parts. The Sabbath, the dietary stuff, the family purity laws, the animal sacrifice stuff, the high holy day stuff, the rule about not wearing clothing of mixed fibers, the mold stuff, the skin disease stuff, the female conditions stuff, all of it. All of it.

Please understand. All of it. We are under Christ. Not Moses. That means that our righteous with God is through faith in the Son, and obeying the Son, and those He appointed as Apostles, and living for Him, in Him, and because of Him, by His grace. That's the Christian life.

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timewerx said:

Even among powerful fraternities, at the core of their rites is Latin.

It's not at all surprising that their founding fathers and those before them would eventually lead to the ancient Roman Empire.

The Bible gave plenty of warnings of the same evil (Roman Empire) returning to power. It seems they already did. For the most enduring empire in history, they'd be smart and devious enough to figure out how to stay in power for thousands of years more.

Sitting in plainview isn't the only means to lead and control an empire or even the world. When it comes to global supremacy, there are no rules. Everything rests in how skillful you are in the art of deceit.

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mmksparbud said:

Really? Thou shalt not murder---for Jews only? Thou shalt not steal---for Jews only? Thou shalt not take the name of God in vain---for Jews only? All the commandments wee for Jews only? Without the law there is no sin. So only the Jews are guilty of sin?? Cain killing Abel was not a sin?--they weren't Jews. When Jesus set aside the 7thday sabbath at creation---there were no Jews yet.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath---He did not say the Sabbath was made for the Jew. The Israelites brought a huge mixed multitude with them---they wer5e to keep the laws of God also. And the Jews were never to have kept the salvation of man---the sanctuary process--0-to themselves. They were supposed to have taken it to the world---instead they became exclusive. Jesus had to restore the evangelistic side to His message. Salvation is of the Jews, Jesus said---He did not say salvation is only for the Jews!

God's 10 commandments were written on stone with the hand of God Himself and placed inside the ark. The ceremonial laws, dictated by God and written by Moses were kept beside the ark, not in it.
The ceremonial laws were done away with at the cross, for Jesus became the Sacrifice. The 10, the morsel law---were kept in the earthly ark which was a representation of the heavenly ark--and which still contain the original ones in the heavenly ark of the testament.

Rev_11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

They are forever---Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

All has not been fulfilled---He has not returned yet.

And BTW---I've not railed against the Catholic Church! And it is you that is not aware of what your own church has said about the Sabbath.

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Daniel Marsh said:

Foxes' Book of Martyrs is not a primary source, it is just polemics. Go to the primary sources only to be accepted as valid. www.newadvent.org has those sources.

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This newadvent.org site looks very Catholic. With "Fathers" and beautification of saints. All the stuff I do not believe in. Are you Catholic? Just as you don't trust my sources, I don't trust any of yours.

mmksparbud said:

I already answered that question---the bible is to be taken in it's entirety. Do you believe the OT has enough for us to know what to do and not do as Christians---as the first Christians did, like the Ethiopian eunuch? Why would anyone want to do away with any part of the bible?

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