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Pope compares President Trump to the murderous King Herod
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President Trump has done more for the Pro Life movement then the Pope and all the Bishops. I remember the Pontiffs early statements regarding abortion.
So he chooses to be political when it comes to borders but silent when children are being ripped from their Mothers wombs. Nothing but politics.
So he chooses to be political when it comes to borders but silent when children are being ripped from their Mothers wombs. Nothing but politics.
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Good grief! So one man Trump has done his best to back up the pro-life position of saving babies from being murdered by trying to get Conservative judges on the bench and the other party or group largely backs the abortion issue.
Not to worry though. I truly don't think Catholics take too seriously anything the man says. I question how much influence he really does have over how Catholics think. Pope's may have had such influence back in the old days but currently....don't think much at least in my opinion.
Would like to see what Catholics would really say about this? Do Popes really and truly change your way of thinking or do you stay more so in what you perceive the Bible is saying itself? Sincere question. Just wondering.
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Depends if the Pope is in line with Catholic teaching and Scripture. Pope St. John Paul II had a great effect on what people thought because he would back his teaching up with the continuity of Catholic thought the comes from Scripture and Holy Tradition.
So the positive effect to change hearts they have comes from how solidly they are in line with the Truth. Now some Popes, like Pope Francis can have great effect when they speak on the reality of the devil, the misguided nature of the transgender deception and the like. But when he is vague or off the Gospel message really his influence is in the weaponized confusion that arises from his words. It is a significant problem.
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I mean...the obvious comparison to Herod would be Planned Parenthood and those who directly kill children to keep their own power, money, free time, convenience and such intact.
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If you follow the Breitbart article to its source, there is little doubt the rendering is accurate. The pope's comments, about half an hour's worth, have been transcribed at length.
What's more, I find that these words are his is highly plausible.
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Not for nothing but from what I understand heads of state like the Pope and the British Crown often pose like Francis is in that photo because they never want to give the impression that they're casting political support behind a foreign leader or political figure. There's a similar photo of Elizabeth II with Trump, and I believe photos of former President Obama with both of them can be found where they're standing further away with a frown on their faces.
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I just checked out the pope with obama, and what you says seems to have at least some validity. But Francis has been antagonistic to Trump and to the Wall since Day One, and in general has hardly been apolitical.
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Which Herod? Herod the Great is infamous for the slaughter of innocents and his son for killing the greatest mortal who ever lived (John). Either way, I'm not sure how this relates to Trump. For all of his faults, there's something very suspect about the extent people want to demonize this guy. He's just a real state mogul with bad manners.
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I wish I had something charitable to say but I don't.
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