95-Year-Old Woman Mauled to Death by Pit Bull - No Charges Filed Against Owner

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Some people think people are more vicious, plain and simple.

Outlaw people ?

no.
People are not animals. We don't treat them the same at all. There is no need for people to be getting vicious dog breeds that they can't control. Those animals need to be put down and the people need to be charged for any of the damage they cause. In this case, it is criminally negligent manslaughter. It's like eating oatmeal with a loaded gun and then accidentally shooting and killing a person at the same table.
 
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Hi all,

Not an expert at all, but I believe the largest factor in the problem is the owner. Pits, Shepherds, Danes and Rottweilers are all large dogs that a lot of people, who live in fear of their lives or property, are often chosen, because of their size to attack strangers. I had a friend in Miami who took dogs that would normally have been just sweet lap dogs and trained them to be killers. I knew the guy for 20 years and I couldn't go on his property without him first locking up his dogs. No delivery person would even set foot on the property.

He had all the signs up with stern warnings regarding the dogs. He lived out in west Miami-Dade county where there is a lot of farming and large lots and I think his wife was just scared of being out there alone. She was an extremely fearful woman of just life. So, I never asked, but he was a pretty easy going fellow and I think the dogs were felt to be necessary to provide the wife some security living out in the 'country'.

Personally, I think it's sad that people are so fearful of their stuff, but hey, I don't own a firearm either. My attitude is when the good Lord calls me home...I'm going! Whether that be a fiery automobile accident, slip and fall, gunshot or just old age.

I hope that everyone enjoyed a wonderful day of rest and thanks giving.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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The owner should be charged because there was other incidents of biting and she apparently did not put the dog up somewhere else before letting somenone else into her home
 
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We live in times when dogs are more valued than human beings.

Humans adopt animals to train and care for them. It’s the humans responsibility if their pet becomes feral due to lack of proper research or education on their choices of pets and required training and needs. While it’s terrible and sad that attacks happen it always leads back to the owners irresponsible behaviour or even abuse.
 
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I think there's a balance to be had and a lot of misconceptions on all sides of this problem. I'll go through some common claims people make related to the issue...

Claim 1: "blame the owner, not the breed."
I agree with this, but mostly because most people who get pitbulls really don't know how to handle pitbulls. Owners ARE responsible for their dogs actions.

Claim 2: "it's about training, not the breed itself."
This is where it gets difficult. The fact is, breeds of dog ARE bred for certain behaviors which must be regulated by their owners. This goes for bloodhounds, beagles, golden retrievers, and yes, pitbulls. What a dog is bred for will determine certain common behaviors within the breed. Most people do not struggle with a golden retriever being aggressive, but they may struggle with their tendancy to over eat. Likewise most border collie owners don't have to worry about aggression with their dogs, but they do have to put in extra work to monitor their dog's tendancy to be very hyper and nip people's ankles. These behavior are either intended consequences of their breeding, or accidental consequences.

So what are pitbulls bred for? High energy and tenacity. Pitbulls are popular fighting dogs because they will not give up. They're stubborn and when they get fixated on something, they won't let up. That's not a problem if that energy is properly channeled by the owner. However, in my experience, many people don't understand pitbull-specific needs that they need to address in the breed. They act as though they own a lab when they've got a totally different dog in their home, and are shocked when their dog suddenly snaps one day and attacks someone or something. Usually there were signs of such things before, but they don't have the knowledge to recognize red flag behaviors. For example, a woman in my county was mailed to death by her two pit bulls while laying in her bed with them, completely out of the blue.
Now, of course, most pitbulls do not do such things and every dog is an individual. There are lazy, couch potato pitbulls. But I think the people who are most familiar with the breed could tell you the difference in behavior between a pitbull and a poodle, and that would be breeders

I follow a dog breeder in social media who used to breed pitbulls, and she once talked about her experience and why she had to stop. They were the most difficult breed to manage in groups; they would regularly get into fights, be overwhelmingly energetic, and when one became fixated on something, every other pitbull would fixate on it too. It became too much of a hassle to even work with them, so she started breeding Cane Corsos instead. If you know Cane Corsos, you know they don't tend to be the easiest dogs to train for the average person, so consider the fact that this woman gave up breeding pitbulls for another kind of famously large, strong-willed dog and actually have an easier time with them than with the pitbulls.

Now consider the fact that the average dog owner would have a problem handling a breed like a Cane Corso, and the fact that pitbulls are the most popular breed. They don't know what they're dealing with, and so the dog is virtually let loose to do as it wishes with little discipline. In my opinion, that's why there are so many problem pitbulls.

Should they be banned? I'm not sure. I think people should have to have a license to get one though.
 
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Bad dog owners create bad dogs. Full stop. I’ve seen aggressive dogs of all shapes, sizes, and breeds.
My parents have a pit bull and she is sweet as pie.
The most overall aggressive breeds I’ve ever met (and subsequently been bitten by the most) were small dogs like chihuahuas and pomeranians.
 
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the dog mentioned in the op should be put down. this is its third attack and that attack was bad enough to result in someone dying which is so sad. that particular dog should be put down.
 
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Bad dog owners create bad dogs

This can be true, but not in all cases. There are many ocassions when an animal treated well and in a loving home will suddenly snap and attack. It's not always avoidable, and it's not always the fault of the owners. Sometimes it's not even the fault of the animal treated well, they could be going through something mental or illness related. Age is a factor with creating more aggression. At to this article, the point is moot though - since this dog has bitten two people, the dog being around to bite and kill a third is something I blame on the owner. She knows from experience this is a dangerous dog.
 
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So you can't choose...:D
No he actually did choose, he just didn't chose in the way you designed the scenario. He chose not to ride with someone who tells him they have a gun in their purse OR with someone who informs him they are a violent criminal. He's also right about working on your analogies a bit. :wave:
tulc(he Captain Kirked your Kobayashi Maru) :)
 
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No he actually did choose, he just didn't chose in the way you designed the scenario. He chose not to ride with someone who tells him they have a gun in their purse OR with someone who informs him they are a violent criminal. He's also right about working on your analogies a bit. :wave:
tulc(he Captain Kirked your Kobayashi Maru) :)
Hey. I choose the law abiding lady who has the common sense to adequately protect herself as she sees appropriate, everytime over the unarmed violent criminal.

Our friend couldn't choose.

How about you..?
 
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Hey. I choose the law abiding lady who has the common sense to adequately protect herself as she sees first everytime over the unarmed violent criminal.

Our friend couldn't choose.

How about you..?
He did choose, he chose neither. He'll probably just wait for the next taxi. And I choose to drive myself. Like has been said before, you really need to work on these a little more. :wave:
tulc(thinks it's not as easy as it looks to make them) :sorry:
 
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He did choose, he chose neither. He'll probably just wait for the next taxi. And I choose to drive myself. Like has been said before, you really need to work on these a little more. :wave:
tulc(thinks it's not as easy as it looks to make them) :sorry:
So you're bottling making a choice as well...:)
 
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So you're bottling making a choice as well...:)
You pretending we didn't make a choice doesn't mean we didn't, we simply made choices you didn't anticipate someone making. But it is kind of fun watching you try and cover for not seeing a third (not riding with people who announce things) or a forth option (driving yourself) for your scenario. :wave:
tulc(will drink more coffee and watch how this unfolds) ;)
 
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