Health care problems and solutions in politics

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In other words, I did not say that cheaper was always good. Just like with ers or even county health departments they may be free at the time of use ( or very low cost, but tey are designed to basically keep you from dying in the street or otherwise having NO treatment. In many cases whether it is clothing, healthcare, food housing or anything else ( not quite as much with clothing) you can generally expect a lower quality no matter if you are taking the cheaper option to save money or because it is all you can afford.
You seem to be making a case against free market health care, since it cannot provide “good” healthcare.
 
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You seem to be making a case against free market health care, since it cannot provide “good” healthcare.
It can and does. Read back in the thread when I at least compared my experenice with Mediaid as did another user ( from two different states by the way to the care I got on private insurance.
 
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You seem to be making a case against free market health care, since it cannot provide “good” healthcare.
more money you got generally the better things you can buy. This even applies in some sense to schools. When a particular school district is bad often people will either go private or move to get the kids into a better school, but the people that cannot afford it do not have that option.
 
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What is wrong with requiring a hearing test?

I was saying Donald Trump signed a bill that does NOT require a hearing test. People can just go to some stores to buy hearing aids that are not custom-set and probably don't even fit their ears properly. Hearing aid settings can only be made by an audiologist after a hearing test, so the OTC HA idea was flawed from the start.
 
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I am one of those.

I'm in immediate danger from borderline hypertension

I could pay for my meds but government regulations forbid it

I can't get meds without a prescription

I could go to Mexico and a doctor there would prescribe the 5 mg Amlodopine and 20 mg Lisinopril pretty much everybody with borderline hypertension takes to stop the elevated blood pressure from destroying our kidneys and eye retinas.

But it is illegal to bring more than 2 months supply into the US and only a US doctor's prescription can be filled in the US.

They would far rather I die than miss the chance to make money.

It sounds like this is the government's fault.
 
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Oh good, I thought you started ignoring me.





If Trump would support #3 and #4, those problems would have been solved already. And honestly I don't give him credit for hearing aid availability because they are OTC and everyone who needs them must first get a hearing test, then have molds made to make them fit their own ears.

No way you keep it interesting around here.

I need different points of views shared with me.

Have a blessed day Bob
 
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If you can't understand it, I can't either. Mom always tells me health insurance is too hard to understand.

Thank you, your humility is a wonderful thing.

On the fifth attempt to understand it, I noticed that starting at the part that mentioned 65 years of age, reading upward it was possible to make sense of it, just barely

and then skipping the title and top 5 lines makes it easy to understand

and then just noticing that over 65 was an equivalent to blind and all the other categories, made it dead simple.

It's like most mazes, it's easier to do backward.
 
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How many pills can you get at a time?

I recall a two month supply is the limit, so since I take what large number of people take, Amlodopine 5 mg, Lisinopril 20 mg, once daily, before bed is actually best, that's 60 pills of one and 60 of the other.

Buying the pills in Mexico I might be depriving a large pharma company of up to four cents a pill so it is a serious crime. Failing to declare the pills or illegally importing them, even if they were originally bought in the US are both crimes because they cost big pharma money.

If I drove down to Mexico to buy bubble gum cheaper people would call it consumer choice, and I could even bring back a whole year's supply, but the rules are entirely different with big pharma or anyone who has Congress in their pocket
 
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Oh good, I thought you started ignoring me.

If Trump would support #3 and #4, those problems would have been solved already. And honestly I don't give him credit for hearing aid availability because they are OTC and everyone who needs them must first get a hearing test, then have molds made to make them fit their own ears.

Unless you have an open fit "Over The Ear" you are correct about custom molds for "In The Ear" types, and Behind The Ear aids.
 
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Unless you have an open fit "Over The Ear" you are correct about custom molds for "In The Ear" types, and Behind The Ear aids.

There are three styles that require molding: BTE (behind the ear), ITE (in the ear) and ITC (in the canal). OTE (over the ear) hearing aids are relatively new, so I forgot about them.

My mom used to wear BTE hearing aids. Her biggest complaint was they got in the way of her glasses frames.
 
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In other words, I did not say that cheaper was always good. Just like with ers or even county health departments they may be free at the time of use ( or very low cost, but they are designed to basically keep you from dying in the street or otherwise having NO treatment. In many cases whether it is clothing, healthcare, food housing or anything else ( not quite as much with clothing) you can generally expect a lower quality no matter if you are taking the cheaper option to save money or because it is all you can afford.

Correct, most county plans give you the care you need, it's free for the user, but in the end the tax payer funds it. The county plan here in Hillsborough County Florida (Tampa) is pretty good, I know several people on it, you are assigned a Primary Care Provider (PCP) that with few exceptions is either a Physicians Assistant, or, a Nurse Practitioner. The PCP can refer you to a specialist, but not all specialties are represented.

The plan cannot be used outside the county without prior approval. They also do not do outpatient pain control, if you need narcotic pain medication, you have to go to the Hospital Emergency room (you are assigned to a hospital as well) the plan is managed very closely, and is more reactionary than preventive in nature, but does comply with the Affordable Care Act.

The patient has no real control, being told what to do, where to go, and what medication to take, what surgery you will get, and what surgeon will do it. Patients always get generic medications. And forget about sustained release, or long acting types, if it can be given every four hours, that's what you get.

However, you get the care you need, and it's better than nothing, and has worked to decrease healthcare cost for the indigent, and their HEALTH IS BETTER.

PCP reimbursement is around $14.
 
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There are three styles that require molding: BTE (behind the ear), ITE (in the ear) and ITC (in the canal). OTE (over the ear) hearing aids are relatively new, so I forgot about them.

My mom used to wear BTE hearing aids. Her biggest complaint was they got in the way of her glasses frames.

Until recently, there were eyeglasses that had aids built into them, but frame choices were limited, but some people liked them. I wear Resound OTE, and love them, but I think I will try a custom ITE next, with the receiver in the helix of the ear, if Resound still makes them.
 
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That is horrible Silverback. As I explained earlier, some patients have to take the XR form of a drug for it to even be effectove. Also, it is very important for a patient to be allowed to choose from a list of doctors and health care facilities. Why on Earth should patients need hospital stays just to buy narcotics?

One of the problems I had with Medicare was being forced to stop seeing a gynecologist. They accept the private insurance company I had at the time, but only by itself, not with Medicare tacked on.
 
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Until recently, there were eyeglasses that had aids built into them, but frame choices were limited, but some people liked them. I wear Resound OTE, and love them, but I think I will try a custom ITE next, with the receiver in the helix of the ear, if Resound still makes them.

My first ITE pair was Resound. Actually I got them at different times so they took different battery sizes. I did not like getting a remote control to change the volume either. Now I wear a matching Oticon pair.

The whole point of saying I wear hearing aids at all is the complaint each one costs $3,000 out of pocket because the govenrment won't pay for them.
 
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That is horrible Silverback. As I explained earlier, some patients have to take the XR form of a drug for it to even be effectove. Also, it is very important for a patient to be allowed to choose from a list of doctors and health care facilities. Why on Earth should patients need hospital stays just to buy narcotics?

One of the problems I had with Medicare was being forced to stop seeing a gynecologist. They accept the private insurance company I had at the time, but only by itself, not with Medicare tacked on.

Well, I didn't say it's the best, but it is what it is. And it helps a lot of people. You are correct about some sustained release medications, but most of them come in forms that can be taken at more frequent intervals. Until fairly recently, the US Military functioned on the same principle, always generic if possible, and never XR's if another option was available, and it did reduce costs.
 
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My first ITE pair was Resound. Actually I got them at different times so they took different battery sizes. I did not like getting a remote control to change the volume either. Now I wear a matching Oticon pair.

The whole point of saying I wear hearing aids at all is the complaint each one costs $3,000 out of pocket because the govenrment won't pay for them.

You won't get an argument from me on that.
 
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more money you got generally the better things you can buy. This even applies in some sense to schools. When a particular school district is bad often people will either go private or move to get the kids into a better school, but the people that cannot afford it do not have that option.
Yes I agree, which is why a for profit healthcare system doesn’t work - it adds extra cost that many people can’t afford.
 
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