What does "...as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" mean in Acts 13:48?

redleghunter · Dec 5, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians 2:10).

This verse should not exist in the Calvinistic universe. The words "might be saved" is a contradiction to Calvinism. There is no such thing as MIGHT be saved in Calvinism. You are either elected to salvation or damnation in Calvinism. The words "they received not the love of the truth" should not exist in Calvinism. It focuses on what THEY should be doing (i.e. to receive the love of the truth). They RECEIVED NOT the love of the truth. This is not.... God has elected them to receive not the love of the truth.

Again, don't know what this has to do with Calvinism. But "they received not the love of truth" means something. "They" did not receive something. That something is the love of truth.

redleghunter · Dec 5, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
So you don't believe now that Acts 13:48 supports Calvinism?
If so, I am glad.

It surely supports predestination.

Mark51 · Dec 5, 2019

It seems to me that there were-even now-individual who, while unbelievers, “were rightly disposed for everlasting life.” Meaning they eventually became or will become believers.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 5, 2019

redleghunter said:
Again, don't know what this has to do with Calvinism. But "they received not the love of truth" means something. "They" did not receive something. That something is the love of truth.

It says that they MIGHT be saved. In Calvinism there is no MIGHT be saved. One is either elected to salvation or not.

reformed05 · Dec 5, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
I can say the same for you, but that would be just name calling which really does not prove your argument for your belief.

I have never spoken against anyone else beliefs. I have answers questions posed about Reformed Theology and I have corrected things that we're said about it that we're untrue, and I have explained what Reformed teaches and why. I have never told anyone they were wrong or that their God was evil or said I am right, right right. I have only ever stated MY beliefs. Not tried to change anyone's mind or imply they needed to. And I have no need or desire to PROVE why my beliefs are right or better than anyone elses. There is a difference in our attitude and intent.

redleghunter · Dec 5, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
Overcometh is the topic of conversation in Revelation 3:5. Overcometh is clearly related to salvation in the previous chapter. "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." (Revelation 2:11).

Indeed and this supports Preservation and Perseverance of the saints.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 5, 2019

reformed05 said:
I have never spoken against anyone else beliefs. I have answers questions posed about Reformed Theology and I have corrected things that we're said about it that we're untrue, and I have explained what Reformed teaches and why. I have never told anyone they were wrong or that their God was evil or said I am right, right right. I have only ever stated MY beliefs. Not tried to change anyone's mind or imply they needed to. And I have no need or desire to PROVE why my beliefs are right or better than anyone elses. There is a difference in our attitude and intent.

Your previous post was clear in your intent. Folks will be able to see what you said and determine the truth for themselves. It was not a friendly post - IMO.

redleghunter · Dec 5, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
It says that they MIGHT be saved. In Calvinism there is no MIGHT be saved. One is either elected to salvation or not.

But the "may" is modified by what is previously said about "they received not the love of truth." If one has the love of truth than they are saved. Don't have it you can't be saved. It is very disturbing you are now chopping up portions of verses leaving out even the context of the isolated text.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 5, 2019

redleghunter said:
Indeed and this supports Preservation and Perseverance of the saints.

No it doesn't. You are reading that into the text. Nowhere does it say that those who overcome have been saved against their own free will choice or that they were regenerated by God prior to belief.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 5, 2019

redleghunter said:
But the "may" is modified by what is previously said about "they received not the love of truth." If one has the love of truth than they are saved. Don't have it you can't be saved. It is very disturbing you are now chopping up portions of verses leaving out even the context of the isolated text.

One more time. "MIGHT be saved" does not exist in Calvinism. How can they "MIGHT be saved" be true in Calvinism? It cannot be true. Therefore, we have to conclude that Calvinism does not simply express the truth of all the words in Scripture.

redleghunter · Dec 5, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
Again, ordaining one to hear the gospel and them later believing is not a proof text for Unconditional Election.

But you had to change the meaning of the verse to come to that conclusion. What is salvation Jason?

Bible Highlighter · Dec 5, 2019

You cannot blot out a name in Calvinism because one is either elected to salvation or one is either elected to damnation. The blotting out of a name means that they were once saved by having their name there once, and then it was blotted out, suggesting that something happened that changed their name to be in the book of life. Think.

-57 · Dec 5, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
Again, ordaining one to hear the gospel and them later believing is not a proof text for Unconditional Election. It merely means that they were chosen to hear the gospel. The fact that they just so happened to all believe in this instance does not mean that they were regenerated to salvation prior to their belief in the gospel. All people who hear the gospel do not always believe. Folks who hear the gospel were ordained to hear it by God, whether they accept that gospel message or not.

If God ordained them to hear the Gospel....why would they not accept the message?

Bible Highlighter · Dec 5, 2019

redleghunter said:
But you had to change the meaning of the verse to come to that conclusion. What is salvation Jason?

I am not answering your question unless you explain the contradiction of the blotting out of a name in the book of life and "MIGHT be saved."
In Calvinism, these kinds of statements cannot exist.

-57 · Dec 5, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
You cannot blot out a name in Calvinism because one is either elected to salvation or one is either elected to damnation. The blotting out of a name means that they were once saved by having their name there once, and then it was blotted out, suggesting that something happened that changed their name to be in the book of life. Think.

Blotting out a name of a believer means they were snatched from Jesus hand.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 5, 2019

-57 said:
If God ordained them to hear the Gospel....why would they not accept the message?

Do you believe God ordains everything to come to pass?
If so, then there are many who hear the gospel message and reject it.
They were ordained to hear the gospel, but there are many who reject it.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 5, 2019

@-57

I believe God ordains the preaching of the gospel message because Jesus tells us to preach the gospel to all nations in the great commission. But will all who hear the gospel believe? No. In Acts 13:48, they just so happened to all believe when they heard the message. This one example of a certain group of people believing the gospel does not indicate that all will accept the gospel message.

redleghunter · Dec 5, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
This is a clause of exception for a certain people group and not all people. Revelation 13:8, and Revelation 17:8 are referring specifically to those who will worship the beast in the future.

Yes the people who worship the beast were never written in the book and those who are written in the book will not worship the beast.

Bible Highlighter said:
Right. To those who overcome. Overcoming is not something that is forced upon you.

Nor is overcoming something that is done alone. Romans 8:28-31 is quite clear on that. You seem to omit that God has given us the seal of the Holy Spirit as a promise. You completely ignore the supernatural regeneration of a believer God brings about in His elect.

Bible Highlighter said:
Right, which proves my point. If babies are saved, then what makes them later unsaved? It is sin, and a lack of faith in Christ later on in their life when they grow up.

I said they are saved the same way everyone is saved...by Grace. The way you posit your statement is that babies don't need God's Grace. They do as we are all sons and daughters of Adam.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 5, 2019

-57 said:
Blotting out a name of a believer means they were snatched from Jesus hand.

Blotting out of a name means their name was blotted out of the Lamb's book of life. That is what it is talking about in the Bible. You cannot blot out of a name in Calvinism because folks are either forever saved or forever damned.

redleghunter · Dec 5, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
Again, your not getting it, my friend.
If a name can be blotted out of the book of life, then Calvinistic Unconditional Election is not true. For it teaches that God elects some to salvation and others to damnation. In Calvinism: There is no later condition of being unsaved by a name being blotted out. Either one is forever saved, or one is forever damned.

I don't think you are looking at the actual text. From what you quoted in Revelation, none of those who worship the beast were ever written in the Book.

What does "...as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" mean in Acts 13:48?

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