Will people go to Hell for worshipping on Sunday?

Elisha's Bear said:

How does any of this refute the poster's claim that the Jews did not physically administer the crucifixion?

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Here is what he claimed that I quoted from post number 393.

I don't remember one Jew killing Yeshua...lots of Romans, yes.

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Here is what the scripture says -


But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. Acts 5:29-30



The scripture says to the Jews... whom you murdered.


That is my point.


God sees from His perspective that the Jews murdered Jesus.


It came down to the Jews, to choose Jesus Christ, an innocent person or a murderer. The Jews chose a murderer to be set free, and chose to have Jesus Christ murdered.


Pilate said to them, “What then shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?”
They all said to him, “Let Him be crucified!”
Then the governor said, “Why, what evil has He done?”
But they cried out all the more, saying, “Let Him be crucified!”
When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it.”
And all the people answered and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.” Matthew 27:22-25


Pilate tried every way he knew how to get the Jews to consider choosing Jesus to be set free.



JLB

Erik Nelson said:

the Son is not the Father

please acknowledge?

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The Son is not the Father.

I acknowledge.


Do you understand that Jesus is Lord, YHWH?


Yes or No?



JLB

JLB777 said:

The Son is not the Father.

I acknowledge.


Do you understand that Jesus is Lord, YHWH?


Yes or No?



JLB

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only the Father is YHWH, which is His holy sacred Name

we need to return to our Hebraic roots, here

Psalm 110:1 says, in Hebrew, "YHWH said to my Adonai..." = Father says to Son / Lord / Messiah

YHWH is the sacred holy name of the Father, e.g. the "Our Father" prayer:


I understand that most modern 21st century English translations use the word "Lord" for both the Father & Son, but that is not inspired.

Only the ancient Hebrew & Greek Scriptures were ever actually inspired directly from heaven, yes?

Erik Nelson said:

and to whom did God give the Sabbath observance commandment?

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To Adam

Erik Nelson said:

well, you're both technically correct?

"Not one Jew physically killed him" but they all did wind up proclaiming "his blood be upon us" so they did formally officially take credit??

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taking credit is not the same as actually physically killing Him. And it was not "all"

JLB777 said:

Please tell me what is the number of the post where you listed the scripture, where Jesus commanded the Church to worship on the Sabbath.


Again, I ask, do you understand that Jesus is YHWH, the Lord God.




JLB

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Are you Jewish? If not are you grafted into Israel? Show me where He didn't show or keep Shabbat. Do you agree that Yeshua does and teaches His Father's will? YHVH is HaShem...

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

taking credit is not the same as actually physically killing Him. And it was not "all"

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In a court of law, if you convince someone to go out and commit murder and they actually do it, you're just as guilty of that murder as the man who pulled the trigger. The law makes no distinction.

Erik Nelson said:

only the Father is YHWH, which is His holy sacred Name

we need to return to our Hebraic roots, here

Psalm 110:1 says, in Hebrew, "YHWH said to my Adonai..." = Father says to Son / Lord / Messiah

YHWH is the sacred holy name of the Father, e.g. the "Our Father" prayer:

Our Father in heaven
Thy Name [=YHWH] be hallowed
Thy kingdom be blessed...​

I understand that most modern 21st century English translations use the word "Lord" for both the Father & Son, but that is not inspired.

Only the ancient Hebrew & Greek Scriptures were ever actually inspired directly from heaven, yes?

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Did the Father or the Son create the heavens and earth?


JLB

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Are you Jewish? If not are you grafted into Israel? Show me where He didn't show or keep Shabbat. Do you agree that Yeshua does and teaches His Father's will? YHVH is HaShem...

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Please tell me the post number where you listed the scripture that says Jesus commanded the Church to worship on the Sabbath.




JLB

JLB777 said:

You seem to change your narrative each time you dodge my question.

The scripture says...

But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. Acts 5:29-30

The question is simple.

Was Peter addressing the Jews or the Romans.

A. - Jews

B. - Romans

If you refuse to answer the question, I will just consider that you are too stubborn to admit your mistaken, and will no longer address you.

JLB

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I changed nothing. Peter was saying they were complicit. Yeshua Himself said the GENTILES (Romans) would kill Him...

Matthew 20:19
Mark 10:33

JLB777 said:

Please tell me the post number where you listed the scripture that says Jesus commanded the Church to worship on the Sabbath.




JLB

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Show me a scripture where he did not...

Matthew 5:17-19

Concord1968 said:

In a court of law, if you convince someone to go out and commit murder and they actually do it, you're just as guilty of that murder as the man who pulled the trigger. The law makes no distinction.

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So they had RICO 2000 years ago? I never said some were not complicit, I said NO Jew physically killed Him

Erik Nelson said:

only the Father is YHWH, which is His holy sacred Name

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Well, one has to factor in Isaiah also.

Isaiah 9:6 (NKJV) For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

And Yeshua (Jesus) name is "Yahweh is Salvation". Yahweh is in His name.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Show me a scripture where he did not...

Matthew 5:17-19

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Ahhh..... the old proving a negative style of argument.

Who was Yeshua talking to in Matthew 5? Certainly not gentiles and the church had not yet come to be until Shavuot after Yeshua returned to His place.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Show me a scripture where he did not...

Matthew 5:17-19

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Exactly. The burden is not on us to show him teaching his followers to keep the Sabbath.

the burden is on Sunday Christians to show Messiah teaching us to NOT keep the Sabbath. We already have the commandment from God to keep it, so the burden lies on them to show us where he or his apostles taught not to keep the Sabbath holy.

we’ll wait...

Der Alter said:

But not in the temple proper the court of Israel I think it is called. Jesus said His followers would be thrown out of the synagogues and even killed not invited in. The Jews stoned Paul who was a Jew how do you think they would treat uncircumcised gentiles? There is an interesting article on gentiles in the Jewish Encyclopedia here's a few quotes off the top of my head. "Gentiles may not be taught torah", "Anyone who teaches torah to a gentile is worthy of death,""Even the best of gentiles is worthy of death," "the issue of a gentiles is as that of a beast,"

Act 14:19 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.​

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BTW, just an FYI...
Acts 13:42-44
So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I changed nothing. Peter was saying they were complicit. Yeshua Himself said the GENTILES (Romans) would kill Him...

Matthew 20:19
Mark 10:33

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we all know the Romans carried out the instructions of the Jews to murder Jesus Christ.


Peter plainly says to the Jews...


The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree.


Your statement that says the Jews didn’t murder Jesus is false.


JLB

Copperhead said:

Well, one has to factor in Isaiah also.

Isaiah 9:6 (NKJV) For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

And Yeshua (Jesus) name is "Yahweh is Salvation". Yahweh is in His name.

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There is no Yahweh in Judaism or in Hebrew. YeHoVaH is His Name. Yeshua is the Son

JLB777 said:

we all know the Romans carried out the instructions of the Jews to murder Jesus Christ.


Peter plainly says to the Jews...


The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree.


Your statement that says the Jews didn’t murder Jesus is false.


JLB

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I said no Jew PHYSICALLY killed Yeshua.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Show me a scripture where he did not...

Matthew 5:17-19

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First you said that you posted a scripture where Jesus gave commandment for the Church to worship on the Sabbath.


Now when caught in a lie you try to come up with another excuse.

There is no scripture in the Bible where Jesus Christ commands the Church to worship on the Sabbath.




JLB