If we fear the anti-Christ fellow more than we want Zechariah 14 fulfilled are we....

Should we Christians want to assist to make Zechariah fourteen happen fast?

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  • I am not sure... that anti-Christ guy who STOPS the sacrifices really scares me!

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  • I'm not sure because whoever assists in building a Jerusalem Temple might be the anti-Christ guy???

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  • Yes, we Christians should want Zechariah fourteen fulfilled as quickly as possible

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....somewhat guilty of idolatry?

Isn't fearing the anti-Messiah more than we want the coming of Messiah giving the guy too much credit?

I admit that I may be wrong and I admit that I flip flopped back and forth on this question for four decades so I do understand those of you who fear the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple due to that event in a sense being necessary before the anti-Christ can come but..........

.... isn't this world such a scary place for our children and grandchildren that isn't hastening the fulfillment of Zechariah 14
one of the only ways to make this earth safe for our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren??????


Do you think President Trump may be willing to build a Jerusalem Temple?
 

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So who exactly is this King who is being worshiped?

Is this not Messiah Yeshua - Jesus Himself??????


Zechariah 14

Behold, a day of Jehovah cometh, when thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall Jehovah go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east; and the mount of Olives shall be cleft in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

.......

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in those camps, as that plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso of [all] the families of the earth goeth not up unto Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon them there shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, neither [shall it be] upon them; there shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLY UNTO JEHOVAH; and the pots in Jehovah's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holy unto Jehovah of hosts; and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and boil therein: and in that day there shall be no more a Canaanite in the house of Jehovah of hosts.
 
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Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

One of the best arguments that I have ran into as to why
Christians should support the Orthodox Jewish community
in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple is
a statement by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus:

Luke 24:25

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

So... all that the prophets have spoken would include Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 that
clearly describe the restored Jerusalem Third Temple as part of the Era of Messiah / Moshiach.... .the millennial rule of Messiah over all the earth.

Also:
Luke 13:35

"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

Was Ezekiel blessed?

Did Ezekiel come in the name of the Lord?

Is Christianity relatively desolate due to our having forgotten the words of the Prophets?
 
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If the resurrected King David is merely "prince" among them..... then WHO IS THEIR KING IF NOT MESSIAH YESHUA -JESUS?????


Ezekiel 34:24
"And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it."


Ezekiel 37:25
"And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever."

Exo 29:45

And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.

Exo 29:46

And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, that brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, that I may dwell among them: I am the LORD their God.


Psa 68:16
Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever


Psa 68:18
Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.



2Co 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Rev 21:3
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 
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Acts of the Apostles 1

And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
 
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....somewhat guilty of idolatry?

Isn't fearing the anti-Messiah more than we want the coming of Messiah giving the guy too much credit?
I don't understand why being afraid of the antichrist would want Christians to help him do his evil. But perhaps the way you worded it has caused my thoughts to go in a wrong direction?
DennisTate said:
I admit that I may be wrong and I admit that I flip flopped back and forth on this question for four decades so I do understand those of you who fear the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple due to that event in a sense being necessary before the anti-Christ can come
Daniel states the sequence, that the antichrist shall come.. which starts "the week".. then in his Cyrus role, he assists the Jews in rebuilding the temple where the Jews reactivate the animal sacrifices unto God. Then in the middle of "the week" the antichrist will cause the sacrifices to cease.

Knowing what is to happen, and helping it to happen are two different things.
DennisTate said:
but..........

.... isn't this world such a scary place for our children and grandchildren that isn't hastening the fulfillment of Zechariah 14
one of the only ways to make this earth safe for our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren??????
We are to always seek God for our protection and safety. We can do that without joining in to help the devil get on with his evil.. in the Bible, those who take his side get his punishment. No Christian that would think it a good thing to help evil should think that they would be immune.
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That is based on the erroneous idea that he's the antichrist. It's based on the theology that all Christians will go through the Tribulation. However, this is the church age. The tribulation is the beginning of "the Lord's Day" which the apostle Paul assures believers that the antichrist cannot be revealed or come on the scene until "he who restrains" is taken out of the way.
In the end times theology that I follow, "the Lord's Day".. describes the end of the church age.. and "taken out of the way" describes the rapture of the church that Paul said must happen before the antichrist can be of notice to all the world.

Trump cannot be the antichrist because he's clearly made it known that he is a Christian.
In contrast, according to Daniel 11:37, the antichrist does not align himself with any religious group/it's leader.. but his own. The antichrist is most closely compared to Nimrod.
 
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I don't understand why being afraid of the antichrist would want Christians to help him do his evil. But perhaps the way you worded it has caused my thoughts to go in a wrong direction?
Daniel states the sequence, that the antichrist shall come.. which starts "the week".. then in his Cyrus role, he assists the Jews in rebuilding the temple where the Jews reactivate the animal sacrifices unto God. Then in the middle of "the week" the antichrist will cause the sacrifices to cease.

Knowing what is to happen, and helping it to happen are two different things.
We are to always seek God for our protection and safety. We can do that without joining in to help the devil get on with his evil.. in the Bible, those who take his side get his punishment. No Christian that would think it a good thing to help evil should think that they would be immune.
That is based on the erroneous idea that he's the antichrist. It's based on the theology that all Christians will go through the Tribulation. However, this is the church age. The tribulation is the beginning of "the Lord's Day" which the apostle Paul assures believers that the antichrist cannot be revealed or come on the scene until "he who restrains" is taken out of the way.
In the end times theology that I follow, "the Lord's Day".. describes the end of the church age.. and "taken out of the way" describes the rapture of the church that Paul said must happen before the antichrist can be of notice to all the world.

Trump cannot be the antichrist because he's clearly made it known that he is a Christian.
In contrast, according to Daniel 11:37, the antichrist does not align himself with any religious group/it's leader.. but his own. The antichrist is most closely compared to Nimrod.


I admit that I could be wrong but I see the Cyrus type as a good guy..........

but the guy who STOPS the sacrifices three and a half years later..... that is the bad guy!!!!!

For the life of me I cannot see how the anti-Christ fellow could fulfill the role of the Cyrus type?????

I first read the following article online back around September or October of 2010. This man predicted a Christian Political Cyrus at least six months before Mr. Mark Taylor did.

(Please pardon his lack of political correctness in how he words all of this):

Eporu Ronald Alfred

Kakira Deliverance Church,
P.O. Box 3191, Kakira, Jinja, Uganda

......

Dear brethren,
I salute you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.




2. King Manasseh was the shadow figure (forerunner) of the antichrist in the Old Testament who ruled over Jerusalem exactly 666 years Before Christ i.e. from 697 BC to 642 BC. (2 chronicle 33: 1-2 and 2 kings 21: 1-17). Antichrist is associated with the number 666 as written in the book of Revelation 13:18. Manasseh was the most evil king to have ever ruled over the city of Jerusalem and kingdom of Judah.

Manasseh is reported to have killed so many innocent people in Jerusalem that the streets of Jerusalem were flowing with blood; he worshiped pagan idols and stars; he built pagan alters for idols and stars in the very courtyards of the temple; he sacrificed his sons to idols; he consulted diviners and mediums; he even set up an abominable pagan image at the temple that causes desolation just as the incoming antichrist will do. It was on that basis that God decided to have that first temple destroyed completely since Manasseh had desecrated it.



3. Prophet Jonah was the shadow figure (forerunner) of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament who undertook his prophetic ministry around 777 B.C. Prophet Jonah is hence associated with the number 777. He arose from the shadow and demise of Prophet Elisha. His preaching radiated such great power and authority that turned the city of Nineveh as the rising super power of that time up side down within 3 days only (read the book of Jonah). Jonah was the prophetic force behind the restoration of the lost territories of Israel in the reign of King Jeroboam II of Israel between 782 BC and 741 BC as written in II Kings 14:25. Jonah related with God more or less as his own father and God loved him more or less as His own son. He volunteered to die save occupants of the ship and was raised to life after three days just like Jesus Christ. Jesus compared himself with Jonah as his forerunner in the Old Testament as far as his earthly ministry, death and resurrection was concerned in Mathew 12; 38-41, Luke 11; 29-32. Jesus will also oversee the restoration of the lost territories of Israel just like prophet Jonah when he comes to rule as the king of kings and Lord of Lords. We can therefore correctly associate Jesus Christ with the number 777 just like Jonah as our commander-in-chief, Lord of the Sabbath and fountain of life.

The more we know where we came from the more we know where we are going. You are cordially invited to visit my face book home page for more information and messages. Feel free to share this truth with other brethren just as I received it free of charge from God.

Your brother in Christ

Eporu Ronald
Scientist & Minister of Bible Prophecy
 
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I don't understand why being afraid of the antichrist would want Christians to help him do his evil. But perhaps the way you worded it has caused my thoughts to go in a wrong direction?
Daniel states the sequence, that the antichrist shall come.. which starts "the week".. then in his Cyrus role, he assists the Jews in rebuilding the temple where the Jews reactivate the animal sacrifices unto God. Then in the middle of "the week" the antichrist will cause the sacrifices to cease.

Knowing what is to happen, and helping it to happen are two different things.
We are to always seek God for our protection and safety. We can do that without joining in to help the devil get on with his evil.. in the Bible, those who take his side get his punishment. No Christian that would think it a good thing to help evil should think that they would be immune.
That is based on the erroneous idea that he's the antichrist. It's based on the theology that all Christians will go through the Tribulation. However, this is the church age. The tribulation is the beginning of "the Lord's Day" which the apostle Paul assures believers that the antichrist cannot be revealed or come on the scene until "he who restrains" is taken out of the way.
In the end times theology that I follow, "the Lord's Day".. describes the end of the church age.. and "taken out of the way" describes the rapture of the church that Paul said must happen before the antichrist can be of notice to all the world.

Trump cannot be the antichrist because he's clearly made it known that he is a Christian.
In contrast, according to Daniel 11:37, the antichrist does not align himself with any religious group/it's leader.. but his own. The antichrist is most closely compared to Nimrod.


What do you think of what Grant Jeffrey Th. D. wrote about the Jews making sacrifices in the millennium?

"The Sacrificial System Will Continue

One of the most perplexing ideas to students of Scripture is the idea that God intends that the annual feasts, along with animal sacrifice, will continue into the Millennium. Many Christians who have studied the prophetic portions of Zechariah 14, Isaiah 66, and Ezekiel 40 - 48, which clearly describe these Millennial worship ordinations, are confused by the idea. They ask, "Didn't the sacrifice of Christ eliminate animal sacrifices forever?"

............"Only the complete sacrifice of Jesus could ever totally atone for our sins. However, God clearly demanded the sacrifices from Adam to Christ. Those sacrifices were acts of obedience to the direct command of God, as well as acknowledgements of one's own personal sinfulness and need for God's forgiveness. Animal sacrifices covered the sins of the people temporarily until the prophesied Messiah would come and offer Himself once and for all as the necessary atonement for sin. If animal sacrifice can never atone for sin, why would God allow Israel to resume such sacrifice in the Third Temple, prior to Armageddon, and then demand that Israel continue such sacrifice in the Millennium? There are two reasons why I believe this is true."

First, the early Jewish - Christian Church continued to offer sacrifices in the first century.".......



.......Second, New Testament writers used the legal sacrificial system to illustrate very important points concerning Christ's sacrifice on the Cross.......

..... These examples of the way early Jewish believers used God's law to teach great love when He sacrificed His only Son on the cross will be repeated during the Millennium." (Grant R. Jeffrey, Messiah, War in the Middle East and the Road to Armageddon, page 317, 318 and 319)

I think that Dr. Grant Jeffrey's theory fits with:

Zechariah 14

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holy unto Jehovah of hosts; and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and boil therein: and in that day there shall be no more a Canaanite in the house of Jehovah of hosts.
 
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I admit that I could be wrong but I see the Cyrus type as a good guy..........
Not good by God's standards.
DennisTate said:
but the guy who STOPS the sacrifices three and a half years later..... that is the bad guy!!!!!
That is when he goes into the temple, sets in the seat.. the representation of the mercy seat.. where THE GOD hovers over it.. and in so doing, the antichrist declares himself to be God.
DennisTate said:
For the life of me I cannot see how the anti-Christ fellow could fulfill the role of the Cyrus type?????
The antichrist has two personalities. The first is a relatively good guy that is like Cyrus in helping the Jews.
But then he has a radical change. Some Bible scholars have said that he becomes literally possessed of satan himself. Similar to Judas Iscariot.. to do satan's will.

Some Bible scholars say that it occurs when he is assassinated. He rises from the dead because satan is (my words) "walking in his skin". It's not the man that is possessed, it's the man's body that is possessed. But perhaps I've taken the description of "possessed" too far.
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I first read the following article online back around September or October of 2010. This man predicted a Christian Political Cyrus at least six months before Mr. Mark Taylor did.

(Please pardon his lack of political correctness in how he words all of this):
There is no link to the article mentioned so I have no clear way of knowing who spoke a prophecy or what was said. In any case.. I do not consider Mr. Taylor to be a true prophet of God. There was a respected Jewish sage recorded in the new testament who spoke concerning God's plan for a man to be the ransom for many (Jesus to be crucified).. but that did not make him a prophet.
 
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Not good by God's standards.
That is when he goes into the temple, sets in the seat.. the representation of the mercy seat.. where THE GOD hovers over it.. and in so doing, the antichrist declares himself to be God.
The antichrist has two personalities. The first is a relatively good guy that is like Cyrus in helping the Jews.
But then he has a radical change. Some Bible scholars have said that he becomes literally possessed of satan himself. Similar to Judas Iscariot.. to do satan's will.

Some Bible scholars say that it occurs when he is assassinated. He rises from the dead because satan is (my words) "walking in his skin". It's not the man that is possessed, it's the man's body that is possessed. But perhaps I've taken the description of "possessed" too far.
There is no link to the article mentioned so I have no clear way of knowing who spoke a prophecy or what was said. In any case.. I do not consider Mr. Taylor to be a true prophet of God. There was a respected Jewish sage recorded in the new testament who spoke concerning God's plan for a man to be the ransom for many (Jesus to be crucified).. but that did not make him a prophet.


So do you think that the Cyrus type... the person who sets the stage for the Jewish people to offer sacrifices in a restored Jerusalem and / or an Ezekiel Temple Complex........ is also the guy who stops the sacrifices three and a half years later??????

An awful lot can happen in three and a half years.... forty two months....... For example an election!


Could there be two Jerusalem Third Temples, an Ezekiel and a Temple Mount one?
 
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What do you think of what Grant Jeffrey Th. D. wrote about the Jews making sacrifices in the millennium?
G. Jeffrey was speaking from what the Bible states.
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The verse has no clear indication that it is prophetic concerning a future time.. but rather speaking of that era, when making sacrifices was a common daily thing.

The verse that clearly speaks of a future sacrificing of animals is Daniel 9:27.. as well as the future Millennium.
 
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Could there be both a Jerusalem Third Temple as well as an Ezekiel temple complex?

There is a tradition of their being an original Ark of the Covenant and then a replica made during the time of King Solomon.


In a September 1935, article in the National Geographic magazine, L. Roberts recorded his interviews with various priests in different parts of Ethiopia who consistently told the same story. They recounted that the Queen of Sheba had visited King Solomon and had had "a child", Menelik I. Solomon educated the lad in Jerusalem until he was nineteen years old. The boy then returned to Ethiopia with a large group of Jews, taking with him the true Ark of the Covenant.
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The Ethiopian official national epic known as the Glory of the Kings (Kebra-Nagasi) contains an amazing story which offers an explanation of what happened to the Ark of the Covenant. In addition, there are several Ethiopian murals which tell how the Ark and the Tablets of the Law were taken to Ethiopia for safekeeping by Prince Menelik I. ..... The Queen of Sheba, his mother, had died and the prince prepared to leave Jerusalem to return twenty-five hundred miles to his native country to become its king.

Prince Menelik bore an uncanny resemblance in beauty and regal bearing to his father. King Solomon wanted to give him a replica of the Ark to take with him to Ethiopia because the long distance would prevent him from ever again worshipping at the temple in Jerusalem.

However Prince Menelik was concerned with the growing apostasy of Israel and the fact that his father, Solomon was now allowing idols to be placed in the Temple to please his pagan wives. King Solomon gave the prince a going-away banquet and after the priests were filled with wine, Menelik and his loyal associates switched arks and left the replica in its place in the Holy of Holies.// (Grant Jeffrey, [page 115, Armageddon, Appointment with Destiny).

Note... now that I have studied all this further it appears that the Ezekiel 40
temple could be centered well outside of Jerusalem?



Could there actually be two major Jerusalem third temples in the future?
 
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So do you think that the Cyrus type... the person who sets the stage for the Jewish people to offer sacrifices in a restored Jerusalem and / or an Ezekiel Temple Complex........
That Temple will be built during the Millennium.. the three years time out of the seven years total of the Tribulation.. doesn't begin to be enough to build such a huge elaborate Temple.. not even by modern standards.
DennisTate said:
is also the guy who stops the sacrifices three and a half years later??????

An awful lot can happen in three and a half years.... forty two months....... For example an election!
Your enthusiasm is missing a Jewish Temple that .. for the sake of argument.. if Trump is THE CYRUS.. would have to have started being built three years ago. There is none, so there's no sacrifices for Trump to stop. So, Trump isn't the Cyrus-Nimrod antichrist.
DennisTate said:
Is that asking.. Can there be two- third Temples in Jerusalem?

No, the third Temple to be built will be the one during the Tribulation and the fourth Temple will be the Ezekiel one in the Millennium.
 
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That Temple will be built during the Millennium.. the three years time out of the seven years total of the Tribulation.. doesn't begin to be enough to build such a huge elaborate Temple.. not even by modern standards.
Your enthusiasm is missing a Jewish Temple that .. for the sake of argument.. if Trump is THE CYRUS.. would have to have started being built three years ago. There is none, so there's no sacrifices for Trump to stop. So, Trump isn't the Cyrus-Nimrod antichrist.
Is that asking.. Can there be two- third Temples in Jerusalem?

No, the third Temple to be built will be the one during the Tribulation and the fourth Temple will be the Ezekiel one in the Millennium.


Or... the Cyrus type who assists the Jews to begin making sacrifices is a totally different person from the person who stops the sacrifices three and a half years after they begin to make sacrifices!
 
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Or... the Cyrus type who assists the Jews to begin making sacrifices is a totally different person from the person who stops the sacrifices three and a half years after they begin to make sacrifices!
All that Trump has done for the Jews is fulfill what all the previous Presidents had put off during their terms in office.

Trump recognized that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel by putting the American embassy there.
And, he's the first American President who asked? was invited? allowed to pray at the western wall.
He also, along with most Presidents, is maintaining a "friend of Israel" position.
 
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All that Trump has done for the Jews is fulfill what all the previous Presidents had put off during their terms in office.

Trump recognized that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel by putting the American embassy there.
And, he's the first American President who asked? was invited? allowed to pray at the western wall.
He also, along with most Presidents, is maintaining a "friend of Israel" position.


Jewish scholars have very good reason to have high expectations for what President Trump may decide to do for Israel.

Sanhedrin Asks Putin and Trump to Build Third Temple in Jerusalem | Cry For Zion

Sanhedrin Asks Putin and Trump to Build Third Temple in Jerusalem


“Thus saith Hashem to His anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him, and to loose the loins of kings; to open the doors before him, and that the gates may not be shut.” Isaiah 45:1 (The Israel Bible™)

By Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz November 10, 2016 , 11:30 am
The Nascent Sanhedrin is calling on Russian President Vladmir Putin and US president-elect Donald Trump to join forces and fulfill their Biblically-mandated roles by rebuilding the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.

Rabbi Hillel Weiss, spokesman for the Sanhedrin, contacted Breaking Israel News to announce that the election of Trump, who has promised to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, coupled with Putin’s expressed desire for the Temple to be rebuilt, prompted the Jewish court to send a letter offering the two the opportunity to act as modern-day Cyrus figures: non-Jewish kings who recognize the importance of Israel and the Temple.

Cyrus the Great, King of Persia in the sixth century BCE, announced in the first year of his reign that he was prompted by God to make a decree that the Temple in Jerusalem should be rebuilt.

This was never asked of President Obama or any other USA President that I can think of!




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Or... the Cyrus type who assists the Jews to begin making sacrifices is a totally different person from the person who stops the sacrifices three and a half years after they begin to make sacrifices!
Usually the one who gives authority to begin it is the only one with authority to stop it.

God began this world, only He can destroy it. God made mankind, He has authority to eliminate us. It's only by His grace that He doesn't wipe us all out and start fresh all over again.
 
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Jewish scholars have very good reason to have high expectations for what President Trump may decide to do for Israel.
Our President Trump did not sign up to be building a Temple for the Jews. They are asking of him to do something that is outside of his calling.

And it's not a good idea when the Jews do not exhibit any caution in opening themselves up to a ruler of Russia to be building the Jews a Temple where they can worship God whom the Russians have history to not believe such exists.
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Sanhedrin Asks Putin and Trump to Build Third Temple in Jerusalem
They have no established Biblical president for doing that. The Jewish sanhedrin of the old testament never called upon Cyrus (his name in the Bible) to help them rebuild the Temple. Did they?

I wonder that they don't read the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 of Gog and magog.. to come against the mountains of Israel.

But, perhaps in future they'll ask the real antichrist to aid them in building the next Temple.. Perhaps that's the prophesied "hook in his jaw".. and he'll accept. Perhaps such a situation is why the apostle John in the book of Revelation warned of the 666 man.
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As I understand it.. the sanhedrin cannot even function correctly until all twelve tribes are properly represented. Until then nothing can officially go forward until all are present and accounted for.

Daniel 9:27 indicates that at that time.. all tribes will be present.
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“Thus saith Hashem to His anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him, and to loose the loins of kings; to open the doors before him, and that the gates may not be shut.” Isaiah 45:1 (The Israel Bible™) By Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz November 10, 2016 , 11:30 am

This was never asked of President Obama or any other USA President that I can think of!
That's likely because the former presidents.. as I've pointed out.. didn't recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

It was a mistake for King Hezekiah in the Bible to show all of his wealth to visitors. They went back home and made plans to attack Israel.

The Sanhedrin are (I'd say recklessly) looking for their Messiah when they give such invitations to national leaders.. It's like the Jews are asking, "will the real Cyrus please build our Temple?"
 
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So who exactly is this King who is being worshiped?

Is this not Messiah Yeshua - Jesus Himself??????


Zechariah 14

Behold, a day of Jehovah cometh, when thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall Jehovah go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east; and the mount of Olives shall be cleft in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

.......

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in those camps, as that plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso of [all] the families of the earth goeth not up unto Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon them there shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, neither [shall it be] upon them; there shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLY UNTO JEHOVAH; and the pots in Jehovah's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holy unto Jehovah of hosts; and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and boil therein: and in that day there shall be no more a Canaanite in the house of Jehovah of hosts.

Who is the King being worshipped? The LORD God of Israel.
1Co 15:24-28 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (27) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. (28) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 
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Who is the King being worshipped? The LORD God of Israel.
1Co 15:24-28 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (27) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. (28) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

That is exactly what I think as well......
The events of Zechariah 14
lead to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus reigning over the earth from Jerusalem.......

The the earth becomes a paradise for all.... some near death experiencers were given a glimpse of what Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel described in detail as well.

Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.



The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.



And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.



There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.



What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.



People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.



Animals lived with people, in harmony.

Isaiah 11


6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the root of Jesse, that standeth for an ensign of the peoples, unto him shall the nations seek; and his resting-place shall be glorious.
 
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