yeshuaslavejeff
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Doesn't change what the Judge says is final.
"Those OUTSIDE Ekklesia, Yahuweh Judges"
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Is Calvinism Just?
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"Those OUTSIDE Ekklesia, Yahuweh Judges"
John 10:25 “I already told you,” Jesus replied, “but you did not believe. The works I do in My Father’s name testify on My behalf. 26 But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
Arminians can’t interpret this verse correctly because it refers to no loss of salvation which crumbles their entire theology.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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It says nothing of losing free will to choose who to follow.
If a person's free will is not taken away, they can interpret this verse correctly.
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Your faith would then be based upon life's happenstance.
As an example....a person may have listened to an individual who had an argument for there not being a God. That person may have believed the argument. Later on that person not believeing in
God may reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
On the other hand....
That same person may not have heard the argument for there not being a God and because they were never convinced there was no God the accpted the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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The verse says you can't be snatched from Jesus' hand. You'll need to find a better way around it.
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No one has to snatch them from The Father’s hand if they fail to abide in Christ.
“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.”
John 15:6 NASB
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yeshuaslavejeff
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No.
See where Jesus says those who no longer trusting in Jesus have not life.
No one snatched them. They CHOOSE... condemnation on themselves.
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Difference.
I'll give you Gills view.
for there is no difference; of nation, age, or sex, or of state and condition; no respect is had to persons or works; nor is there any difference with respect to weak or strong believers; the righteousness is equally applied to one as to another, and one is as much justified by it in the sight of God as another.
Let me ask you....What does Paul mean by saying “for there is no distinction”?
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There’s probably an infinite amount of reasons people repent and accept Christ.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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Not in Scripture.
"How can they repent unless they hear?
How can they hear unless someone tells them (preaches the truth or shares it)?
How can someone tell them unless they are sent ? "
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Jresus in the verse told you you have eternal life. Do you understand what eternal life is? If you can lose it then it was never eternal.
Then the verse goes on to say you can't be snatched from His hand.
For whatever the reason....if you can lose your salvation you were snatched. The bible says you can't be snatched.
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Not having read all 7 pages...so this may have been asked.
Is it possible that God does have His elect that He chose beforehand and then there is the rest of us who may be led to Christ because of the actions and or words of the elect...which may have been one of the reasons He chose some beforehand. God said no one comes to Christ unless led by the Father. Well the elect are representatives of the Father so one might speculate that being in Christ and the Father the elect are drawing by the Father.
Is it possible that God does have His elect that He chose beforehand and then there is the rest of us who may be led to Christ because of the actions and or words of the elect...which may have been one of the reasons He chose some beforehand. God said no one comes to Christ unless led by the Father. Well the elect are representatives of the Father so one might speculate that being in Christ and the Father the elect are drawing by the Father.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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That is Reality, living, happening, much like as written in Scripture, as happens in the Body of Christ, in real life.
Not as in some doctrine though.
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John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
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yeshuaslavejeff
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If you find out that eternal life DOES NOT START until after dying , or at the point of dying, you might learn to understand what Jesus means then, God Willing.
So many people (most people) FORFEIT eternal life, and they all do so in this life on earth.
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