Will people go to Hell for worshipping on Sunday?

ICONO'CLAST · Dec 4, 2019

Aussie Pete said:
Man was made for the Sabbath. The rest referred to in Hebrews is rest to the soul, a ceasing from dead works engineered by self. Now if Christians got into that rest, the church would be transformed and for much the better. The body needs physical rest. The soul needs rest from worrying and fretting, planning, striving and trying to do God's job for Him. Lord Jesus said from the cross, "It is finished!" That is the rest we need to enter into. As God rested from the work of he natural creation, so we need to enter into the the rest of the new creation, the spiritual new birth, that we are in Christ Jesus.

I agree with you that as NT.believers we have entered into that eternal rest in Christ.
That is going to be perfected when we are glorified.
We are not yet glorified, so that is why Heb4:9 uses a special word...sabatimos...they remains the keeping of a sabbath rest for the people of God.
Is it the creation sabbath? No
Is it the Mosaic sabbath? No
It is the Nt. Lords day? Yes

rnmomof7 · Dec 4, 2019

The OT is full of types and shadows.. The Sabbath is a type of Christ.. where we can rest from our works to be saved.. He did all the work for us..Christ our Sabbath rest

Der Alte · Dec 4, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Read the whole passage. There was no violation.

That is correct but the Jewish leadership thought there was a violation based on the way they had placed a fence around the law. In their minds plucking grain and rubbing it in their hands was harvesting and threshing.

pasifika · Dec 4, 2019

rnmomof7 said:
The OT is full of types and shadows.. The Sabbath is a type of Christ.. where we can rest from our works to be saved.. He did all the work for us..Christ our Sabbath rest

Hello, well said....our Sabbath is Christ and our 'work' is to saved by Him. This is to 'believe' in Him, so we would not be perish but have eternal life...thank you rnmomof7...you are a 'legend'

Elisha's Bear · Dec 4, 2019

ICONO'CLAST said:
Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

acts20;
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1cor;
1 Corinthians 16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Yeah, not seeing "the Lord's day" mentioned in any of these verses.

1213 · Dec 4, 2019

klutedavid said:
Which commandment is referred to in the New Testament, the old commandments or the new commandments?...

Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:17-19

I think that means all the commandments God has given in the Bible, also the new one that Jesus declared.

Elisha's Bear · Dec 4, 2019

Copperhead said:
I think that many have no clue of what they are really talking about in this regard. Shabbat was to be a day of rest. Only tradition made it a synagogue event.

I think that more than a few of the "many" might have come across a few clues such as:

And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. (Luke 4:16)

Doubtless, the charge will be leveled that the word "custom" is synonymous with "tradition," as though Christ would have embraced an empty tradition as readily as would a common sinner.
So:

Thus says the Lord God: “The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened. The prince shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gateway from the outside, and stand by the gatepost. The priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings. He shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening. Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the entrance to this gateway before the Lord on the Sabbaths and the New Moons. (Ezekiel 46:1-3)

I know there are more, merely by virtue of vague memories of sermons I've heard in the past and again, more importantly, Christ was not in the habit to squander His time on frivolous formality.

ICONO'CLAST · Dec 4, 2019

Elisha's Bear said:
Yeah, not seeing "the Lord's day" mentioned in any of these verses.

That term is found in Rev.1....

What do you think it refers to?

Elisha's Bear · Dec 4, 2019

ICONO'CLAST said:
That term is found in Rev.1....

What do you think it refers to?

It doesn't matter what I think. There's no scriptural evidence that "the Lord's day" means the first day of the week. Surely, you're not suggesting otherwise.

Elisha's Bear · Dec 4, 2019

ICONO'CLAST said:
Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

acts20;
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1cor;
1 Corinthians 16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

By the way, I'm puzzled as to why you used possibly the absolute worst translation possible to make your case in Matthew 28:1. I love Young's version. It has helped me to understand many, many difficult passages. But here, it is woefully inadequate.

klutedavid · Dec 4, 2019

1213 said:
Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:17-19

I think that means all the commandments God has given in the Bible, also the new one that Jesus declared.

The problem with that quotation from Matthew is that a letter of the law has already passed away. For example, the law of circumcision has passed and is no longer in force.

So this means that Jesus accomplished all the things required. If even one letter of the law has passed then the whole law has passed.

You cannot deny that circumcision is no longer a valid law.

Luke 22:37
For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘And He was numbered with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.”

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 4, 2019

klutedavid said:
If even one letter of the law has passed then the whole law has passed.

Not even one iota, smallest particle, has passed..... nor will it change in our lifetimes...(well, except we live eternally, then maybe, as Jesus says "after heaven and earth have passed" )

klutedavid · Dec 4, 2019

Elisha's Bear said:
It doesn't matter what I think. There's no scriptural evidence that "the Lord's day" means the first day of the week. Surely, you're not suggesting otherwise.

John gave a name to the first day of the week. The seventh day already had a name, the Sabbath.

The Lord's day cannot be the Sabbath, otherwise John would have said the Sabbath.

klutedavid · Dec 4, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Not even one iota, smallest particle, has passed..... nor will it change in our lifetimes...(well, except we live eternally, then maybe )

The Greek 'iota' means the eighth letter of the Greek alphabet.

But hundreds of laws have already passed and for some reason you cannot see this.

Copperhead · Dec 4, 2019

klutedavid said:
John gave a name to the first day of the week. The seventh day already had a name, the Sabbath.

The Lord's day cannot be the Sabbath, otherwise John would have said the Sabbath.

Some expositors even claim that what was in view of the "Lord's Day" as expressed by John in the Revelation was the "Day of the Lord" as expressed in many OT and NT passages. I am not sure that argument holds up under scrutiny, but the reasoning isn't terrible since the bulk of the book is regarding the "Day of the Lord" which is a common reference to the end times in scripture.

Elisha's Bear · Dec 4, 2019

klutedavid said:
John gave a name to the first day of the week. The seventh day already had a name, the Sabbath.

The Lord's day cannot be the Sabbath, otherwise John would have said the Sabbath.

Absolute conjecture. No basis in exegetical practice whatsoever. Nice logical fallacy clinic, though.

Rick Otto · Dec 4, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Jesus did change the Sabbath as part of the new covenant. Of course the OT Sabbath was in force until the death of Jesus, and the destruction of the Levitical priesthood and the temple in 70 A.D.

OC: Man made for the Sabbath as a day of compulsory worship and service.
NC: Sabbath made for man as a day of rest. Worshipping on the 1st day ok.

I agree that the issue is not salvific, but Sunday worship is a pagan tradition and is a serious compromise made I believe, to accommodate false conversions.

JLB777 · Dec 4, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I never said that the Temple establishment were not complicit but no Jew physically killed Him, the Romans did.

You err not knowing the scriptures.

Who was Pilate speaking to Jews or Romans?

When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it.”
And all the people answered and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.” Matthew 27:24-25

But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. Acts 5:29-30

Who was Peter speaking to, Jews or Romans?

JLB

JLB777 · Dec 4, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Are you saying Yeshua's commandments were different than His Father's? You are dividing the Kingdom and their house can not stand...

Yeshua said the Sabbath was made for Adam, not Adam for Shabbat. Adam was created first, then the Shabbat for him.

Please quote the scripture where Jesus commanded the Church to worship on the Sabbath?

Do you understand that Jesus is Lord, YHWH, the Lord God of Israel?

JLB

ICONO'CLAST · Dec 4, 2019

Elisha's Bear said:
By the way, I'm puzzled as to why you used possibly the absolute worst translation possible to make your case in Matthew 28:1. I love Young's version. It has helped me to understand many, many difficult passages. But here, it is woefully inadequate.

It was the end of the ot sabbaths, it was a ffg first day

Elisha's Bear said:
By the way, I'm puzzled as to why you used possibly the absolute worst translation possible to make your case in Matthew 28:1. I love Young's version. It has helped me to understand many, many difficult passages. But here, it is woefully inadequate.

After the 7th day sabbath,towards the beginning of the first day sabbath.

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