gender dysphoria and the plight of parents

Brightmoon said:

Really ? Why didn’t she just change in the bathroom . I did that for middle school because my mom used to buy me this humiliating underwear . Much ado about nothing . NYC has unisex single bathrooms in public spaces like libraries .

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That is what they asked the trans student to do, and the lawsuit came afterwards.

If it is much ado about nothing? The student would have used the bathroom, and no lawsuit. Instead it was to much to ask, and they went to court over the trans student to use the locker room - and she won.

Changing over your embarrassment over underwear isn't the same, nor is unisex bathrooms.

Brightmoon said:

I don’t know and neither do you as neither of us are medical doctors. We both can express opinions but they’d be based on ignorance

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It's not ignorant. There is a case in court about this right now.

Semper-Fi said:

You have this the wrong way. Children
are to honor and listen to there parents.

Kids without proper parents as role models
today, are having a lot of mental issues.
Like girls without fathers are know to cut
themselves, boys also need a father figure.

Gods word says Discipline Promptly. Today
they say children should not be disciplined,
but rewarded, or give-in to what they want.
Proverbs 19:18 Proverbs 13:24

Today children 8 years old are taught to
explore there gender options in school,
against there parents wishes.

The break-down of the God ordained family
structure is being attacked today. [Parents]
rights are being taken away more and more.

1This know also, that in the last days perilous
times shall come. For men shall be lovers of
their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud,

blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful,
unholy,Without natural affection, trucebreakers,
false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of
those that are good,

4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures
more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness,
but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

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. Doesn’t the Bible say also not to vex your children.

HannahT said:

That is what they asked the trans student to do, and the lawsuit came afterwards.

If it is much ado about nothing? The student would have used the bathroom, and no lawsuit. Instead it was to much to ask, and they went to court over the trans student to use the locker room - and she won.

Changing over your embarrassment over underwear isn't the same, nor is unisex bathrooms.

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since it wasn’t the trans student nor the other girls ( I assume) who were uncomfortable why should the trans girl put up with the inconvenience of moving to the bathroom .

I f I were trans I’d be insulted by the notion that I was going to attack or harass others in the locker room.

redleghunter said:

Should doctors be willing to inject 8 year old children with hormones if one or both parents demand them to do so?

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No.

But, doctors don't really [have to] follow the Hippocratic oath anyway... so who cares?

Brightmoon said:

Someone with this disorder usually has some brain damage. Being gay or being one of the other alphabet soup people is a rare but natural occurrence. Not a mental illness. The distress caused by being mistreated causes most mental problems in gays and other alphabet soup people

That’s not always true. I live in nyc and gay and alphabet soup people are free to live their lives here. Unless you ask or they tell you you’d never know if they were stereotypical gender conforming or not.

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Mental illness is not caused by brain damage... The cause is not known.. but they are real. I heard a psychiatrist talk and they stated that no trained mental professional can or will go on record and say for sure if the mental illness causes the chemical changes that are evident in the brain.... or.... if the chemicals in the brain bring on the mental illness.

An individual who has the genitalia of a male, the DNA will say they are male.. every physical test will tell you that they are male... but their brain... their mental state will say that they are female or some other mythical pseudo sex.

Therefore.. It's in their head.. it's not reality.. It's a mental illness.

The absurdity of this idea is never more apparent than those males that "associate" as being female and then go in physical competitions where they excel against females... when they would not even be competitive as the males that they are when competing against other males.

redleghunter said:

We already know those with gender dysphoria suffer abuse.

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Usually at the hands of people who claim it's mental illness

redleghunter said:

It is your opinion the doctor should decide? What about the kid who does not even know adolescence yet? Mommie tells Jimmy he is Jane and a girl, so he listens to Mommie. Jimmy/Jane at age 16 bursts into anger at Mommie for changing him from what he was supposed to be. He runs away from home.

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might as well say runs away on a unicorn as that is as realistic as the scenario you just painted.

MournfulWatcher said:

I don't understand why we have to change the meaning of "sex" to protect trans people. Why can't it fall under the protection for people with mental illnesses and disabilities?

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because it's not a mental illness or a disability

This entire idea that we need to accept gender identity as a protection is disingenuous. No one agrees on what gender identity entails. I simply see no science to support an unlimited amount of genders (which is the logical conclusion of having a spectrum of genders, and also contradictory to the idea of trans people even being a real thing, because transgenderism implies that there are only two genders in which someone can transition, while an infinite amount of genders ultimately means that maleness or femaleness isn't actually real.) You also have to decide how you're going to enforce gender identity into law; people have been sued for using the wrong pronoun. That obviously conflicts with freedom of speech, which is another example of trans rights trumping everyone else's.

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We have a spectrum of races with an infinite number of racial variations but that doesn't mean Caucasian isn't real.

Sports shouldn't even BE a difficult question. "Body shape" puts it too simply. Men and women are very different biologically. Transwomen competing in every single women's sports event are blowing away the competition.

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evidence?

In contact sports, women have been severely injured by them in ways they wouldn't have been injured by an actual woman.

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evidence?

And now there's talk of transwomen competing in the Olympics.

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the International Olympics Committee removed restrictions for participation by transsexuals in 2002

Recently a transgirl in a high school fought to be able to use the lady's locker room and they sided with him over a real girl who had been fighting against. I saw a video where she was on the brink of tears saying she didn't want to have to get naked in front of him (because she's a swimmer and sometimes they have to be naked in front of other girls in the locker room.)

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Reference please

Quartermaine said:

Usually at the hands of people who claim it's mental illness

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People who know it's a mental illness, generally aren't going to abuse these people... Abuse is appeasing them.

Statistics show that suicide, among those with this condition is the same among those that do get surgically altered and those that live in their natural body.... the same... There is no "relief" from their mental struggles by cutting them up and making them into something they believe in their heads.

archer75 said:

The Supreme Court, gender dysphoria, and the plight of parents | Catholic Herald

I feel seriously disoriented by all this.

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You mean, 'I feel seriously dysphoric about all this.'

JacksBratt said:

People who know it's a mental illness, generally aren't going to abuse these people... Abuse is appeasing them.

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people who know what mental illness is know it's not a mental illness.

Statistics show that suicide, among those with this condition is the same among those that do get surgically altered and those that live in their natural body.... the same... There is no "relief" from their mental struggles by cutting them up and making them into something they believe in their heads.

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100% false.
the largest and longest running study into transsexuals C. Dhejne Long term follow up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment Surgery. found that the suicide rate for transsexuals who have had gender reassignment surgery is no different from suicide rate of the general population.

Brightmoon said:

since it wasn’t the trans student nor the other girls ( I assume) who were uncomfortable why should the trans girl put up with the inconvenience of moving to the bathroom .

I f I were trans I’d be insulted by the notion that I was going to attack or harass others in the locker room.

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When you have a tran person in your locker room where you dress, and they have different genital? You must live in some bubble to NOT understand why the girls would be uncomfortable dressing and being nude with her.

Accomodation should go both ways, and you can't get a entire gym class into stalls to dress while one student get the rest of the area. That's unreasonable. They did also offer this individual her own area besides the stall so she didn't have to dress with the boys either.

It's strange first say use the stall like you did, but when it's non-trans students we are talking about you reverse course. Why should she...Yesh.

Sounds like the you didn't read the news story about the case. WHY doesn't surprise me. Jumping to conclusions and making false accusations seems to be norm here. Yes, you assumed wrong about the girls. Your assumptions are what is insulting, and your lack of compassion is telling.

Society would have a fit if the school told a young woman that the women's locker room is full, and you need to go dress with the boys now. Yet, they are claiming today they are completely confused as to WHY someone with the opposite genital coming in to dress with them would be uncomfortable as well. It's not confusing at all, but it is disingenuous.

This isn't a black and white issue, because it is complex. You need to find the best way to accommodate both parties here, and it's clear you are only interested in one.

Quartermaine said:

people who know what mental illness is know it's not a mental illness.

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People who have a mental illness rarely understand they have a mental illness which is why many of them when they feel better by taking meds they stop taking them because they feel better and feel they no longer need the meds because they don't have a mental illness....vicious circle.

Quartermaine said:

people who know what mental illness is know it's not a mental illness.

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Who is that? Lol.

I got my degree in psychology and they are mentally ill. I can also tell you that most of psychological 'science' is just a cracked as it was under the Third Reich - absolutely in line with the power structure and merely industrialized justification for the regime.

Quartermaine said:

because it's not a mental illness or a disability

We have a spectrum of races with an infinite number of racial variations but that doesn't mean Caucasian isn't real.

evidence?

evidence?

the International Olympics Committee removed restrictions for participation by transsexuals in 2002

Reference please

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"Because it's not a mental illness or a disability"
Sigh.
The American Psychiatric Association (APA) redefined mental disorders in the DSM-5 as "a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning.”[13] The final draft of ICD-11 contains a very similar definition.[14] Source: Mental disorder - Wikipedia (Before you decry it for being wikipedia, that's a direct quote from a research paper.)

I would say gender dysphoria falls under this definition.

"We have a spectrum of races with an infinite number of racial variations but that doesn't mean Caucasian isn't real."
Race is directly observable. Someone being "demigender" isn't directly observable.

Sources for trans athletes:
Transgender fighter Fallon Fox sends opponent to hospital
A High School Girl’s Life After Transgender Students Join Her Sport
Transgender powerlifter stripped of women’s records because he is male

And a source for the transgirl in high school winning the right to use the girl's locker room: Female Athlete Devastated By New Policy Granting Unrestricted Locker Room Access To Transgender Students

In other news, Google exists.

Brightmoon said:

If I were trans I’d be insulted by the notion that I was going to attack or harass others in the locker room.

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But really, it has nothing to do with the very real possibility (given the long history of how sodomite perverts have used bathrooms for their perversity) of attacks or harrassment. The very existence of the opposite gender (claiming in delusion to be trans) in the bathroom is very core to what profanity is. It profanes both sexes and is a great violation of the human.

Euodius said:

But really, it has nothing to do with the very real possibility (given the long history of how sodomite perverts have used bathrooms for their perversity) of attacks or harrassment. The very existence of the opposite gender (claiming in delusion to be trans) in the bathroom is very core to what profanity is. It profanes both sexes and is a great violation of the human.

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These people remind me of this passage:

"With lofty but empty words, they appeal to the sensual passions of the flesh and entice those who are just escaping from others who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves to corruption."

2 Peter 2

Quartermaine said:

people who know what mental illness is know it's not a mental illness.

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Well, the professionals disagree with you:

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Diagnosis

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria with separate specific criteria for children and for adolescents and adults.

Quartermaine said:

100% false.
the largest and longest running study into transsexuals C. Dhejne Long term follow up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment Surgery. found that the suicide rate for transsexuals who have had gender reassignment surgery is no different from suicide rate of the general population.

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Again, professionals disagree with you:

Sex Reassignment Doesn’t Work. Here Is the Evidence.

Sex “reassignment” doesn’t work. It’s impossible to “reassign” someone’s sex physically, and attempting to do so doesn’t produce good outcomes psycho socially.


And:

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

Conclusions

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.