what messianic prophecies where not fulfilled by jesus?
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What you are observing can be termed that the Gentile is saved by Grace, via Faith, while the Jew is saved by Faith, via Grace.
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There is some truth to this.
Another problem is one of language. Generally speaking, classical Christian arguments come from the Greek translation of the Tanakh where Jewish arguments come from the Hebrew. In this thread, you have also seen people relying on the English translation to make points, myself included. It is sort of a bad premise.
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The Messianic prophecies jesus did not fulfill will one day be accomplished....no doubt in my mind....
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Good question.
Perhaps because they do not read the New Testament of the Bible?
"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation
Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.
Luke 4:
17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
21 and He began by saying,
“Today this Scripture is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.”
Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.
Luke 21:
22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath<3709> upon this people.
Luke 18:7
The yet God not no should be doing the avenging<1557> of the chosen-ones of Him, the ones imploring to Him of day and night and is far-feeling on them.
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
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Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying,
“How long! Master/Owner, holy and true, until Tnou judge and avenge <1556 >Thy blood on those who dwell on the land?”
Revelation 19:2 “For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication;
and He has avenged <1556> on her the blood of His servants shed by her.”
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What Jews Can Learn from the New Testament | My Jewish Learning
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It is daunting to think of the number of books a Jew “must” read in order to achieve Jewish literacy. With trepidation I suggest yet another volume to add to that list: the New Testament (NT).
Anyone who lives in a country with a Christian majority (such as the United States or Canada) should acquire basic knowledge of the foundational literature of the dominant faith. Students of the arts need to know stories like the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32), the raising of Lazarus (John 11:1-44), and the “passion” of Jesus (i.e. his trial, suffering, and death) or they will be at a disadvantage when studying many works of literature, art, and music.
But there are also reasons why Jews, specifically, would gain from study of the New Testament. It is a rich source for a better understanding of Jewish history, Jewish thought, Jewish law, and the history of anti-Semitism.
Almost all of the books of the NT were written by Jews, many of them during one of the most eventful periods of Jewish history: just before and just after the destruction of the Second Temple (in 70 C.E.).
Very few Jewish writings from that century survive, and none by the rabbis, the representatives of what soon became normative Judaism, since the rabbis of that period felt that their teachings had to remain oral (a position they eventually abandoned).
So really the only surviving religious books written by Jews in the first and second centuries are a few of the later Dead Sea Scrolls and the NT.............................
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Martin I. Lockshin
Martin I. Lockshin, Ph.D., is a professor at the Centre for Jewish Studies at York University in Toronto. He received rabbinic ordination after studying at the yeshiva founded by Rav Kook in Jerusalem.
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