Is the year when the tribulation ends written in scripture?
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yeshuaslavejeff
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For us today, it doesn't matter. It hasn't happened, and might not happen as anyone here thinks it will.
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Al Touthentop
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"In 250 the emperor Decius issued an edict, the text of which has been lost, requiring everyone in the Empire (except Jews, who were exempted) to perform a sacrifice to the gods in the presence of a Roman magistrate and obtain a signed and witnessed certificate, called a libellus, to this effect"
The lack of a certificate would prevent one from buying or selling in the market places.
I'm not going to address every one of these claims because just one is enough. It ought to cause you to take a second look.
First, Matt 24 is the prophecy of 70 AD and it has no relation to Revelations necessarily. Jesus said of that prophecy that it would take place in their lifetimes.
"We have no king but Caesar."
All of the Christians who were aware of Jesus' warnings escaped the destruction of Israel. Church tradition is that not even one Christian was left behind. How do you explain Peter's survival if no one fled?
God made his new Covenant with Israel and they rejected it. There are no more coming. The kingdom he established lives forever. The new temple is Christ. It was rebuilt just as prophesied.
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Let's take a look at that and see if it actually states what was claimed it said, shall we?Handmaid for Jesus said:
Genesis 7:4
"For in seven days I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground.”
"For in seven days I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground.”
The conclusion is self-evident: the verse does not in any way state "Noah knew the exact day the flood would come," as was incorrectly claimed. The verse does not state what you say it says. What Noah knew is how long the rain would last, not the day the flood would come. You made a claim. I asked if you had any scriptural support for that claim. You commended a single verse that turns out not to support the claim made.
Those are the facts in evidence.
There are several false equivalencies being asserted in this op and its supporting posts. The first is the premise all prophesies are alike when they are not. Connected to this is the unstated premise God acts in history and speaks prophetically in identical ways in all prophetic situations. In this particular example of the flood we see "rain" and "flood" are being conflated because the facts are it rained for several hours and days before any flooding occurred. Even if Noah knew what day the rain would begin he had no idea when folks living in the Rocky Mountains or the Andes would be flooded.
False equivalencies.
They do not make well for sound exegesis, and they do not make well for rational discourse, either.
In addition, I provided you with the marker scripture does contain pertaining to the tribulation. The gospel states quite plainly the disciples in Jesus first century audience would see the tribulation. Jesus stated it would happen in "this generation," not "that generation," or some unidentified generation in the future. So they did know when it was coming within a given timeframe, but not a specific day. Jesus said the tribulation would occur in the generation of his audience and they would see it but no man knew the day or hour within their generation.
There are about ten places in the gospels where Jesus tells his audience "this generation." The Matthew 23 and 24 examples occur in the near-demonstrative conjugation - the words cannot be made to mean "that generation" or any generation other than the one of his first century audience!
And you have completely ignored these facts of scripture. You have ignored the posts' contents in this regard.
If you have not already read it, I recommend you get a copy of "Last Days Madness" by Gary Demar and read it. Kim Riddlebarger's "The Case for Amillennialism" is also very good.
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Luke 1 speaking of Jesus work Gabriel declares he will take the throne of David and Zacharias says this.
67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life. When we see the 2nd coming of Jesus it is Zion central and life is seen continuing after he has come and is king over the earth. The very deliverance promised in LUKE is achieved and the throne of David is going to be taken by Jesus. read Zech 14 and it describes in detail the 2nd coming and then the nations which are left must keep the feast of tabernacle or they get no rain. The mt of Olives spits in two and a new river forms that flows year round and a new valley is formed. This is not an allegory and is congruent with a literal future approach. Read Ezekiel 36, Isaiah 61 these also tie together and show the transition into the kingdom age.
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This is a very debatable topic... This site might help you with the truth it contains.:
Some Standing Here Will Not Taste Death — The Unfolding of Biblical Eschatology
The point that Jesus is making when he says that there are some standing here who will not die before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom is that there are some to whom he is speaking who will not die before the prophecy of Daniel 7 is fulfilled, in other words, before Jesus receives the kingdom from his Father.
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He wasn’t speaking of the Second Coming at all.v He was referring to the fulfillment of Daniel 7, his reception of the kingdom from the Father, and this was fulfilled within the lifetime of some of his hearers (cf. Matt. 28:18).vi
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God told him exactly seven days before the flood started when it was going to start. If Noah didn't know the exact day, then he just wasn't good at math.
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Except he said "before all these things take place."
You're right. It wasn't a prophecy of the second coming. It was a prophecy of the destruction of Israel. And there is also the implication that the kingdom would have been established when those things took place as evidenced also by Rev. 1:9 (and other passages in the New Testament including Acts 2), that the kingdom had already been established.
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The angel is in the details, Al.
God told him when the rain would start. God did not tell him when the flood would start. Furthermore, this op is trying to assert the premises 1) God always (usually?) gives us temporal markers by which we can know when His prophetic declarations will occur, and 2) we therefore can know when the (future) tribulation will occur.
The op is incorrect on both accounts.
Sometimes God does give specific markers and sometimes He does not. A couple of the markers cited by this op do not evidence the claims made nor the premises asserted and thereby demonstrate an undeniable lack of proper exegesis upon which we should and must rely in order to correctly understand God's word. Furthermore, the markers provided in regards to the tribulation of Matthew 24 inform us the tribulation in question has come and gone and would be experienced by God's people (precluding any pre-trib rapture interpretation).
And the op is not dealing with any of it.
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does the world reflect Jesus ruling right now and Satan bound? Zechariah 14 shows the day the LORD is king over the earth and it begins on a day when Jerusalem is being overrun and half the city goes into captivity and the LORD comes and in that day is king over all the earth and many are killed described in a very graphic way. The mount of Olives splits on that day and new valleys are formed and a new river will flow. This has not happened. If you read Dan 2 and 7 you can see the description of when the kingdom that covers the earth and has no end begins. In Dan 2 the stone cut without hands destroys and leaves no trace of the image of man's kingdom and this kingdom covers the earth and has no end. In Dan 7 a pompous one is persecuting in Israel when the kingdom is given to one described as the son of man in glory in heaven who comes and this kingdom is the one with no end and the pompous one is on the scene and Israel is saved when the kingdom comes.
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The final seven years have not begun yet. Here is a chart I made that has the path of major events from beginning to end. Start in the upper left and head diagonally down through the 7 years, to the lower right, follow the arrow.
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"My kingdom is not of this world.."
There is no trace of the old kingdom of Israel. Jesus said that the prophecies in the old Testament spoke of him. His kingdom, which was bestowed upon him by God at his death and resurrection, has no end. He never promised an earthly kingdom.
The language you are quoting is figurative, not literal. If we read prophecy like that, then we have to reject John the Baptist as Elijah since he never moved any literal mountains or valleys.
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In the ancient Hebrew Generation does not mean the same thing that it does in english. Generation in Hebrew means an age meaning there is an indefinite period of time as to when the tribulation will begin. Ezekiel 38-39 still needs to happen as does Joel 2.
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The Holy Spirit inspired the authors of the New Testament to write it in Greek. The issue is not with the word generation so much as it is with the word "this" - ουτος the near demonstrative pronoun. It means this one, the current generation to whom he was talking.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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The Hebrew way(s) of life and of thinking were once known by the Hebrews/ Jews/ Israelis (and perhaps still are!)
....The Greek ways greatly affected the way Scripture is understood today, in seriously bad ways. (all reported in various sites online comparing Godly Hebrew Ways of thinking and living vs ungodly(worldly, carnal) Greek ways)
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The antichrist isn't mentioned in Revelation. In fact, John warned Christians of his day not to put a lot of credence or emphasis in the antichrist.
"Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know that it is the last hour."
The world has been taken in by all of this end times nonsense. The "last days" as many New Testament authors informed us, were those in which the Old Covenant had been replaced with the New. The end of the Jewish age. You won't find the antiChrist in the Old Testament anywhere nor in Revelation.
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