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If a dispensationalist says that, or a non-dispensationalist says that, is exactly why the Jesuits invented a lot of things, including if they did futurism.

But connect the dots (if dispenationalism is at fault that is)
- what admitted dispensationalist says that ?
and
Do the non-dispensationalists all not say that ?
 
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Since when telling the truth is an insult? Dispensationalism is a lie that is hardly 200 years old. I challenge anyone to prove that dispensationalism is biblical.
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williamlefranc,

1. I don’t know that any theology is necessarily pure perfect about every jot and tittle.
Are you talking about all of Dispensationalism being wrong?
That is most of the perception with those who hate the sound of the word Dispensationalism.
I will give the benefit of the doubt that you are talking about the whole system of the theology.

2. I challenge you to give your true theological stance clearly and I’ll tell you if you have a chance. Thank you. Jerry Kelso
 
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Since when telling the truth is an insult? Dispensationalism is a lie that is hardly 200 years old. I challenge anyone to prove that dispensationalism is biblical.
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If you were a Jew during the 4 Gospels, you would be offering an animal sacrifice when you sin.

But since you are born now, you don't.

You are a dispensationalist without even knowing it.
 
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If you were a Jew during the 4 Gospels, you would be offering an animal sacrifice when you sin.

But since you are born now, you don't.

You are a dispensationalist without even knowing it.

The doctrine of dispensationalism is man-made. That alone makes it into an abhorrent doctrine that must be discarded because it is not biblical. It stinks all the way up to heaven.

I am in covenant with God through Jesus Christ my Lord. What about you? Are you in "dispensation" with God through man-made doctrines?

A great majority of Christians are more enamored with their beliefs than being completely enraptured with their Savior and their God.
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The doctrine of dispensationalism is man-made. That alone makes it into an abhorrent doctrine that must be discarded because it is not biblical. It stinks all the way up to heaven.

I am in covenant with God through Jesus Christ my Lord. What about you? Are you in "dispensation" with God through man-made doctrines?

A great majority of Christians are more enamored with their beliefs than being completely enraptured with their Savior and their God.
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1. All Christians are in Covenant with the Lord.
Since God’s word is who he is what scriptural basis do you have to prove Dispensationalism is false?
You are just giving opinion and conjecture.
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williamlefranc,

1. I don’t know that any theology is necessarily pure perfect about every jot and tittle.
Are you talking about all of Dispensationalism being wrong?
That is most of the perception with those who hate the sound of the word Dispensationalism.
I will give the benefit of the doubt that you are talking about the whole system of the theology.

2. I challenge you to give your true theological stance clearly and I’ll tell you if you have a chance. Thank you. Jerry Kelso

1) I have no theology except of being devoted to the Lord Jesus my Messiah, devoted to the truth of God's word and what He has revealed through Jesus Christ by the personal revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Dispensationalism is not only wrong; it is an insult to God because it is man-made. I don't see anyone in the scriptures (old and new) where dispensationalism is taught as part of God's word.

Dispensationalism was popularized about 200 years ago by apostates like John Darby and later on by C.I. Scofield. Two sinister figures that completely changed God's word and separated what God had united in Christ (Eph. 2:11-16).

2) The Bible is about covenants.

Hebrew word
berith
1. Meaning
a. A binding agreement or arrangement between two parties, whether unilaterally or
bilaterally, involving obligations, responsibilities, and obedience to the terms of such covenant.
b. A covenant was made through a solemn promise, oath, pledge, pact, treaty (2 Chron. 16:3), alliance, compact, arrangement, agreement, etc.
c. Throughout the history of mankind, men have covenanted and made covenants to attempt to ensure that the other party would follow through on his word of their agreement.
(1) These were often sealed in blood
(2) Later they became written documents

2. Examples of usage:
a. Men with men
Gen. 21:22-32 - (Abraham and Abimelech)
Gen. 31:44-54 - (Jacob and Laban)
I Sam. 18:3; 20:8; 23:18 - (David and Jonathan)
Mal. 2:14 - "your wife by covenant" (marriage)
b. God with men
Gen. 9:9-17 - Covenant with Noah
Gen. 15:8-18; 17:1-14 - Covenant with Abraham
Exod. 24:4-8 - Covenant with the nation of Israel at Sinai
II Sam. 7:12-17; 23:5; Ps. 89:3,28 - Covenant with David
c. The promise of a deliverer through the "new covenant"
Isa. 55:3 - "I will make an everlasting covenant with you" (cf. 42:6; 49:6-8; 59:21; 61:8)
Jere. 31:31-34 - "I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the
house of Judah" (cf. 23:5; 32:40; 50:5)
Ezek. 37:26 - "I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting
covenant" (cf. 16:60,62; 34:23,25).

There is much, much more than meets the eye, but let me assure you that God does not make "dispensations" with man, but covenants.

Let me challenge you, are you in covenant with God? How so and what are the terms of such covenant?
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williamlefranc,

1. All Christians are in Coventry with the Lord.
Since God’s word is who he is what scriptural basis do you have to prove Dispensationalism is false?
You are just giving opinion and conjecture.
Jerry Kelso

Prove that dispensationalism is true. Where in the OT do we read that Prophets or men of God taught dispensationalism? Chapter and verse?

Can you provide chapter and verse were Moses, the prophets, Paul, Peter, John or even better, the Lord Jesus taught dispensations?

Chapter and verse please so that we can close this discussion and go on to something else.

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Not those who obey the Father. He says Scripture is NOT OPEN to private interpretation, ever.

Yeshuaslavejeff: "He says Scripture is NOT OPEN to private interpretation, ever."


Jeff, thanks for your contributions to this thread. I don't want to argue about "private interpretation," but let me point out one thing. Paul certainly had his hands full dealing with ex-pagans, Judaizers, Gnostics and whatever. When Paul said there is no private interpretation, there were Apostles still living and others who were witnesses to the ministry of Christ. The original Apostles were personally instructed by Jesus for three years. Paul said there is no private interpretation because he wanted people to listen to the Apostles, who received the truth from Jesus. Today, we don't have anyone who has been personally instructed by Jesus Christ in the flesh. We no longer have people who heard Jesus preach.

Unless you believe that God gave authority to a church organization that is still around, I'm not sure that Paul's denial of private interpretation applies to us.
 
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Its also poor exegesis to "anticipate revelation". Stop bringing in Paul when Paul's revelation did not exist in Matthew.

My original question to you was in an earlier post. Have you addressed it?

You have to ask yourself a simple question, "If the Law of Moses was indeed no longer required immediately after the death burial and resurrection of Jesus, why didn't Jesus tell his disciples that?"

Instead he commanded them to teach others to "obey everything he had commanded them to do", which in the context of Matthew, Jesus enforced the Law of Moses and even amplified it.

My point is that the Jews still had a one year extension to accept him as their Messiah, aka the Gospel of the Kingdom. Jesus prophesied it in Luke 13:6-9.

So you don't agree that the Gospel of the Kingdom was still valid for one year after he was crucified on the cross, as explained in Luke 13:6-9?

Okay we will leave it as that.

By the way, Peter obviously understood Jesus different from you, his words in Acts 10 will make no sense he "knew" in Matthew 28 that the Law of Moses was done away at the cross.

But if you are going to anticipate revelation you can make it say anything you want.



I don't know why you say not to "anticipate revelation." What does this mean?


I am not sure why you mention Peter in Acts 10. This is the Chapter where Peter meets Cornelius and realizes that what God has cleansed is clean, and cannot be unclean. As far as Peter being reluctant to eat non-kosher food, he is simply following the habits of a lifetime. He grew up eating kosher food, he lives in a Jewish community that selects and prepares food that way. It's hard to change all your habits at once.


Apparently you take the Parable of the Fig Tree to apply to the Jews and give them a one year extension of the offer of a physical kingdom. I have never heard this notion that this parable is aimed specifically at the Jews. It seems to me that it applies to anyone who can be spiritual fruit and does not.
 
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I don't know why you say not to "anticipate revelation." What does this mean?


I am not sure why you mention Peter in Acts 10. This is the Chapter where Peter meets Cornelius and realizes that what God has cleansed is clean, and cannot be unclean. As far as Peter being reluctant to eat non-kosher food, he is simply following the habits of a lifetime. He grew up eating kosher food, he lives in a Jewish community that selects and prepares food that way. It's hard to change all your habits at once.


Apparently you take the Parable of the Fig Tree to apply to the Jews and give them a one year extension of the offer of a physical kingdom. I have never heard this notion that this parable is aimed specifically at the Jews. It seems to me that it applies to anyone who can be spiritual fruit and does not.

Let me address each of your point in order.

That means when you read Isaiah 53 for example, that had him prophesying that the Messiah would be "pierced for our transgressions", avoid thinking, "Isaiah must have seen a cross and Jesus being our sin substitute, so that the divine exchange can take place". All these are later revelations.

My point about Acts 10 was to debunk the view that the Law of Moses was abolished at the cross. As far as the Jews are concerned, they continue to be zealous for the Law even in late Acts, until Paul was raised. Acts 21:20, Acts 22:12

Jesus was a minster only to the circumcision during his time on Earth. Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8. Fig tree, vineyard and olive are always symbols in the Gospels referring to Israel and the Jews.

Some examples from the OT show that The fig tree is symbolic of Israel itself – It often symbolized the health of the nation both spiritually and physically. Hosea 9:10 says,

“When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your ancestors, it was like seeing the early fruit on the fig tree.”

Later, the Bible tells us of the glorious time when

“Judah and Israel lived in safety, every man under his vine and his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.” (1 Kings 4:25)
 
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The doctrine of dispensationalism is man-made. That alone makes it into an abhorrent doctrine that must be discarded because it is not biblical. It stinks all the way up to heaven.

I am in covenant with God through Jesus Christ my Lord. What about you? Are you in "dispensation" with God through man-made doctrines?

A great majority of Christians are more enamored with their beliefs than being completely enraptured with their Savior and their God.
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You are not addressing my point about animal sacrifices then vs now.
 
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QUOTE=]Yeshuaslavejeff: "He says Scripture is NOT OPEN to private interpretation, ever."


Jeff, thanks for your contributions to this thread. I don't want to argue about "private interpretation," but let me point out one thing. Paul certainly had his hands full dealing with ex-pagans, Judaizers, Gnostics and whatever. When Paul said there is no private interpretation, there were Apostles still living and others who were witnesses to the ministry of Christ. The original Apostles were personally instructed by Jesus for three years. Paul said there is no private interpretation because he wanted people to listen to the Apostles, who received the truth from Jesus. Today, we don't have anyone who has been personally instructed by Jesus Christ in the flesh. We no longer have people who heard Jesus preach.

Unless you believe that God gave authority to a church organization that is still around, I'm not sure that Paul's denial of private interpretation applies to us.[/QUOTE
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Who does Jesus Himself Say Hear His Voice ? (His sheep)
Who does Jesus Say Himself that His sheep Will Follow ? (ONLY HIMSELF)

What does Jesus Himself Say About His Words ? (they are Spirit, and they are LIFE)

How did Simon barjona LEARN Yahushua IS Messiah, son of the Living Elohim (Sovereign Almighty Creator) ? (NOT by flesh and blood (not by study or any method of man), but the Father Revealed This! (to him and to everyone else (as shown later) who knows) ) ....

How many times did Jesus or the Father "open their minds" to understand ? (many - never once through flesh and blood/ any of man's methods)

Even Yochanan the immerser - what did he say ? How can any man grasp or apprehend or obtain 'anything' ? "ONLY if the Father grants it from heaven"

According to Jesus, how do little children learn salvation ?
Why does Jesus say it is hidden from the educated ?
 
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The doctrine of dispensationalism is man-made. That alone makes it into an abhorrent doctrine that must be discarded because it is not biblical. It stinks all the way up to heaven.
Has ANYONE yet displayed just what you are talking about ?
What is the "doctrine of dispensationalism" you post about ?
Who has claimed it ? (quote them)
 
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1) I have no theology except of being devoted to the Lord Jesus my Messiah, devoted to the truth of God's word and what He has revealed through Jesus Christ by the personal revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Dispensationalism is not only wrong; it is an insult to God because it is man-made. I don't see anyone in the scriptures (old and new) where dispensationalism is taught as part of God's word.

Dispensationalism was popularized about 200 years ago by apostates like John Darby and later on by C.I. Scofield. Two sinister figures that completely changed God's word and separated what God had united in Christ (Eph. 2:11-16).

2) The Bible is about covenants.

Hebrew word
berith
1. Meaning
a. A binding agreement or arrangement between two parties, whether unilaterally or
bilaterally, involving obligations, responsibilities, and obedience to the terms of such covenant.
b. A covenant was made through a solemn promise, oath, pledge, pact, treaty (2 Chron. 16:3), alliance, compact, arrangement, agreement, etc.
c. Throughout the history of mankind, men have covenanted and made covenants to attempt to ensure that the other party would follow through on his word of their agreement.
(1) These were often sealed in blood
(2) Later they became written documents

2. Examples of usage:
a. Men with men
Gen. 21:22-32 - (Abraham and Abimelech)
Gen. 31:44-54 - (Jacob and Laban)
I Sam. 18:3; 20:8; 23:18 - (David and Jonathan)
Mal. 2:14 - "your wife by covenant" (marriage)
b. God with men
Gen. 9:9-17 - Covenant with Noah
Gen. 15:8-18; 17:1-14 - Covenant with Abraham
Exod. 24:4-8 - Covenant with the nation of Israel at Sinai
II Sam. 7:12-17; 23:5; Ps. 89:3,28 - Covenant with David
c. The promise of a deliverer through the "new covenant"
Isa. 55:3 - "I will make an everlasting covenant with you" (cf. 42:6; 49:6-8; 59:21; 61:8)
Jere. 31:31-34 - "I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the
house of Judah" (cf. 23:5; 32:40; 50:5)
Ezek. 37:26 - "I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting
covenant" (cf. 16:60,62; 34:23,25).

There is much, much more than meets the eye, but let me assure you that God does not make "dispensations" with man, but covenants.

Let me challenge you, are you in covenant with God? How so and what are the terms of such covenant?
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williamlefranc,

1. First of all theology is the study of the nature of God
The covenants show the nature of God not to mention the whole Bible is full of the nature of God Romans 1:20.
So you do have a theology just like everyone else if you are a true believer.

2. Devoted to the word of God dispensationalism believes in it.
Dispensationalists all believe in the covenants of the Bible.

3. You may say you don’t have a system, but, if you are a covenant believer that believes in Calvinism you do have a system.
Covenant theologians admit the times that God dealt with men in different ages which is what dispensationalism believes.
Since Dispensationalists believe in the covenants then that makes two things we have in common.

3. Ephesians 3:2; The Dispensation of the Grace of God was given to Paul.
The Grace of God was the revelation of the mystery of the church from the knowledge in the mystery of Christ that Paul acquired which was not known in other ages. It was also revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.
This is the immediate context.

4. The mystery of the church are the Jews and Gentiles in one body to become one new man Ephesians 2:14-15.

5. Dispensation means a stewardship.
In the Ephesians account Paul is a steward of the truth of the mystery of the church.
However as a steward of the grace of God would cover all of Paul’s doctrines though not specifically mentioned in this context.

6. Now this passage alone may not seem to prove Dispensationalism as a system to you biblically or because there is no plain statement but some would beg to differ with you.
However, the problem is that people have to understand patterns in the Bible and back it up by the word of God.

7. As far as the Darby history it is debatable and just muddies up the waters.

8. Now I anticipated you believing in covenants and I’m sure if you are honest you probably believe in covenant theology which is five point Calvinism. Let me know.

9. Yes I am a Christian under the New Covenant Matthew 26:28.

10. Adam and Eve had a covenant which consisted of responsibilities and obligation and obedience to the terms and was binding and an arrangement between two parties.
Genesis 1:28-30; 2:15-17.
Why didn’t you mention that?
God gave Noah the terms of the covenant Genesis 9:11; length of the covenant vs. 12; and sign of the covenant vs. 13-17.
All of these were made by God between him and man and they had to obey and had responsibilities.

11. Not making dispensations with God personally is to misunderstand the purpose of the dispensations.
The Dispensations are stewardships of the covenants that cover the different ages.
The system of a favorable beginning down to the judgements is based on patterns of the Bible.

12. I think you are jumping to conclusions without understanding.
So my question is are you a Calvinist of the covenant theology? Be truthful.
Also what beliefs do you disagree with on Dispensationalism? Jerry Kelso
 
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Let me address each of your point in order.

That means when you read Isaiah 53 for example, that had him prophesying that the Messiah would be "pierced for our transgressions", avoid thinking, "Isaiah must have seen a cross and Jesus being our sin substitute, so that the divine exchange can take place". All these are later revelations.

My point about Acts 10 was to debunk the view that the Law of Moses was abolished at the cross. As far as the Jews are concerned, they continue to be zealous for the Law even in late Acts, until Paul was raised. Acts 21:20, Acts 22:12

Jesus was a minster only to the circumcision during his time on Earth. Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8. Fig tree, vineyard and olive are always symbols in the Gospels referring to Israel and the Jews.

Some examples from the OT show that The fig tree is symbolic of Israel itself – It often symbolized the health of the nation both spiritually and physically. Hosea 9:10 says,

“When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your ancestors, it was like seeing the early fruit on the fig tree.”

Later, the Bible tells us of the glorious time when

“Judah and Israel lived in safety, every man under his vine and his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.” (1 Kings 4:25)


Figs were a common food and fig trees were often cultivated, and also grew wild at the time of Christ. I don't agree that the fig tree can reliably be taken as a symbol of Israel. Jesus refers to figs and fig trees several times and in many cases there is no connection to the nation or people of Israel.

43 “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44 Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. 45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
Luke 6: 43-45 NIV


From John Gill's commentary on Luke 6:44:
<< for of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather
they grapes;
nor can they be expected from them: and no more can an unregenerate man perform good works, or bring forth: fruits of righteousness acceptable unto God; for these require a knowledge of his will, obedience to it, a principle of grace, love to God, faith in Christ, and a view to the glory of God; all which are wanting in such a person. >>

Here the fig is a fruit of the spirit, but the parable has nothing to do with the Jewish people or their destiny.


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Luke 6:44 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible
 
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Figs were a common food and fig trees were often cultivated, and also grew wild at the time of Christ. I don't agree that the fig tree can reliably be taken as a symbol of Israel. Jesus refers to figs and fig trees several times and in many cases there is no connection to the nation or people of Israel.

43 “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44 Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. 45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
Luke 6: 43-45 NIV


From John Gill's commentary on Luke 6:44:
<< for of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather
they grapes
;
nor can they be expected from them: and no more can an unregenerate man perform good works, or bring forth: fruits of righteousness acceptable unto God; for these require a knowledge of his will, obedience to it, a principle of grace, love to God, faith in Christ, and a view to the glory of God; all which are wanting in such a person. >>

Here the fig is a fruit of the spirit, but the parable has nothing to do with the Jewish people or their destiny.


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Luke 6:44 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

Hmm, seems you don't agree that Jesus first coming to the Earth was for the Jews? Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8.

If so, I can understand why you would interpret the 4 Gospels differently from me.
 
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Let me address each of your point in order.

That means when you read Isaiah 53 for example, that had him prophesying that the Messiah would be "pierced for our transgressions", avoid thinking, "Isaiah must have seen a cross and Jesus being our sin substitute, so that the divine exchange can take place". All these are later revelations.

My point about Acts 10 was to debunk the view that the Law of Moses was abolished at the cross. As far as the Jews are concerned, they continue to be zealous for the Law even in late Acts, until Paul was raised. Acts 21:20, Acts 22:12

Jesus was a minster only to the circumcision during his time on Earth. Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8. Fig tree, vineyard and olive are always symbols in the Gospels referring to Israel and the Jews.

Some examples from the OT show that The fig tree is symbolic of Israel itself – It often symbolized the health of the nation both spiritually and physically. Hosea 9:10 says,

“When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your ancestors, it was like seeing the early fruit on the fig tree.”

Later, the Bible tells us of the glorious time when

“Judah and Israel lived in safety, every man under his vine and his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.” (1 Kings 4:25)



Guojing: "That means when you read Isaiah 53 for example, that had him prophesying that the Messiah would be "pierced for our transgressions", avoid thinking, "Isaiah must have seen a cross and Jesus being our sin substitute, so that the divine exchange can take place". All these are later revelations."



I don't see why Dispensationalists are so hostile to OT prophecy. I have no idea whether Isaiah saw a cross but Isaiah 53 foretells several things about the life of Jesus and its significance.

It tells us that this Person will be "pierced," just as the hands, feet and side of Jesus were pierced. It tells us that this Person will be "cut off from the land of the living" and make His grave with "the rich." We know that Jesus was buried in a tomb that belonged to Joseph of Arimathea, a rich man. Even more incredibly, it tells us that this Person "bore our suffering." Further, this Person is the "righteous servant" who will "bear" the "iniquities" of "many." This is repeated at the end, that"he bore the sin of many" and "made intercession." In a line that must have seemed contradictory at the time, it says that after suffering to death, this person will "see the light of life." He will be resurrected.

Isaiah tells us that this coming Messiah will die, willingly, and that He will return to life. The prophet not only tells us crucial details about His life, but foresees the significance that Christians will see in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.





Isaiah 53 New International Version (NIV)
53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors
.
Isaiah 53 NIV
 
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