Blasphemous evil thoughts

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From my own struggles and experience, I would suggest the best is to just try to ignore those thoughts as much as you can. When i am tempted toward obsessive thinking and habits, I tell myself that i won't die if i ignore them, because its true - you won't die. Ignore them - they get weaker, and you get stronger.

These thoughts are not from God, so why give them any energy. If we have accepted Christ, then all our sins have been paid for at the cross. God knows your heart and what you truly believe, so don't allow yourself to be controlled by them.
I know from my own experience i had to give myself permission to ignore these thoughts, it is ok to ignore them. Don't react to them, just set your mind on Jesus, on his Grace, then carry one with something else.

I also have found that physical exercise is really helpful. A regular walking routine is great for clearing your mind. Also exercise like HIIT training has been really helpful for me too.
 
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You should heed this advice, @Caleb23 . There is something else I was told by a preacher once (from the church I had come to be a believer in Christ at one day about 11 years prior), back when I suffered from scrupulosity as well and was tormented by blasphemous and evil thoughts towards the Holy Spirit. He said that those he believed he had seen actually, TRULY commit the unforgivable sin in clearly and willfully cursing the Holy Spirit, died within the next 24 hours. And that was a good point he had made. If a soul has truly moved well and irreversibly beyond forgiveness of sins by rejecting Christ for all time (which I personally believe blaspheming the Holy Spirit to basically mean), then why would God even bother leaving you alive for really any amount of time?

I'd like to know from whence he came up with that...
 
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I'd like to know from whence he came up with that...

I think he is referring to

Acts 5:5
King James Bible
And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
 
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Yeah but the thing is I have been having these horrible thoughts for a year now everyday and night.

One reason you may be having these thoughts is because you're bothered by them and are trying to avoid them. It's not much different from what the Apostle Paul said about the Law; how when it says, "You shall not murder", it generates all kinds of hateful and murderous thoughts. Another example that's easy to relate to is if you saw a park bench that had a sign on it that said, "Wet Paint--Do Not Touch". What's the first thing you would want to do? Probably touch it and see if it's really wet, right?

When God told Adam that he could eat from any tree in the Garden of Eden--except for one, it no doubt made that one tree the most appealing one of all. It's not much different when Jesus says that each and every sin we commit is forgivable, except for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, it's obvious which one we're going to be thinking about the most.
 
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One reason you may be having these thoughts is because you're bothered by them and are trying to avoid them. It's not much different from what the Apostle Paul said about the Law; how when it says, "You shall not murder", it generates all kinds of hateful and murderous thoughts. Another example that's easy to relate to is if you saw a park bench that had a sign on it that said, "Wet Paint--Do Not Touch". What's the first thing you would want to do? Probably touch it and see if it's really wet, right?

When God told Adam that he could eat from any tree in the Garden of Eden--except for one, it no doubt made that one tree the most appealing one of all. It's not much different when Jesus says that each and every sin we commit is forgivable, except for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, it's obvious which one we're going to be thinking about the most.


Yeah, it's like I am so scared to think these thoughts I think these thoughts.
Jesus means everything to me, and just the thought of losing salvation or Him being mad and punishing me drives me insane.
 
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Yeah, it's like I am so scared to think these thoughts I think these thoughts.
Jesus means everything to me, and just the thought of losing salvation or Him being mad and punishing me drives me insane.

One idea you can take comfort in is that the blasphemy of the Spirit most likely isn't related to saying things against the Spirit, but rather unbelief itself. If Jesus means everything to you and you're worried about losing salvation, then it would be impossible for you to commit that sin since you have already believed and have been sealed by the Spirit for the day of redemption.

I'll admit that I often lose my temper, and one of the first things that inevitably comes out of my mouth is God's name followed by the "D" word. It's almost automatic for me, but I always ask God to forgive me afterwards because I used His name in vain (and lost my temper). Long ago after getting saved, I had made it a point to not use His name in vain because it seems like such an obvious sin and is even named specifically in one the 10 commandments. Yet I end up doing it anyway. I don't know if it's because I try so hard not to, or what.
 
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It's important to remember that you're not responsible for the evil thoughts and you don't need to worry about them as long as, like you said, you disagree with them. You're responsible to keep looking to Christ and following Him.

Deuteronomy 3:22 says, "Do not fear them, for it is the Lord your God who fights for you." Jesus already defeated the enemy through His work on the cross, so you don't need to fear the oppression of unclean spirits or even fight against it in your own strength, you just have to lean on the victory that Christ already won. He won that victory 2,000 years ago and it's just as won for you today as it is for any believer on any day.

Jeremiah 1:19 says, "And they will fight against you; but they will not prevail against you; for I am with you," says the Lord, "to deliver you."

2 Chronicles 20:10 says, "For we have no might against this great company that cometh against us; neither know we what to do: but our eyes are upon thee." A good way to pray when these thoughts come would be to say, "Lord, I can't deal with these thoughts myself, but I trust in You and I thank You for Your deliverance." Then leave it with Him and move on with your life.
 
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It's important to remember that you're not responsible for the evil thoughts and you don't need to worry about them as long as, like you said, you disagree with them. You're responsible to keep looking to Christ and following Him.

Deuteronomy 3:22 says, "Do not fear them, for it is the Lord your God who fights for you." Jesus already defeated the enemy through His work on the cross, so you don't need to fear the oppression of unclean spirits or even fight against it in your own strength, you just have to lean on the victory that Christ already won. He won that victory 2,000 years ago and it's just as won for you today as it is for any believer on any day.

Jeremiah 1:19 says, "And they will fight against you; but they will not prevail against you; for I am with you," says the Lord, "to deliver you."

2 Chronicles 20:10 says, "For we have no might against this great company that cometh against us; neither know we what to do: but our eyes are upon thee." A good way to pray when these thoughts come would be to say, "Lord, I can't deal with these thoughts myself, but I trust in You and I thank You for Your deliverance." Then leave it with Him and move on with your life.


Thanks for your reply.

God bless you

I will
 
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I have been depressed for a year, I have good days and bad days.
I know Jesus can deliever me from this.

Yes, Jesus can deliver you from your troubled thinking. He is the Saviour, after all. Jesus said,

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come to me all you who labor and are heavy burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.


Have you come to Jesus? He is the "Narrow Way," the "Door of the Sheepfold," the "Way, the Truth, and the Life." Jesus is eternal life, our salvation from the penalty and power of sin. Do you believe that he is? I don't mean just intellectual agreement, here. Do you believe in a way that orders how you live, that shapes your thinking and behaviour? Many people say they believe in Jesus but they have no intention of living their lives under his control. How about you? Are you just believing with your head or are you believing with your heart, too? The apostle James wrote that "faith without works is dead." In other words, it isn't enough to believe that Jesus is God and Saviour; saving faith, the belief that results in being "born-again," expects to be changed, to live in obedience to Christ. Is this you?

The greatest antidote to fear is love. "Perfect love casts out fear," the apostle John wrote. The fear you have of doing something so awful, so blasphemous, that it cuts you off forever from God exists because you don't love God. If you want to be free of the fearful thoughts that have been plaguing you, love is the key. How do you come to love God?

1.) Know and believe the incredible love that God has for you. (1 John 4:16)
2.) Obey the First and Great Commandment. (Matthew 22:36-38)
 
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Yes, Jesus can deliver you from your troubled thinking. He is the Saviour, after all. Jesus said,

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come to me all you who labor and are heavy burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.


Have you come to Jesus? He is the "Narrow Way," the "Door of the Sheepfold," the "Way, the Truth, and the Life." Jesus is eternal life, our salvation from the penalty and power of sin. Do you believe that he is? I don't mean just intellectual agreement, here. Do you believe in a way that orders how you live, that shapes your thinking and behaviour? Many people say they believe in Jesus but they have no intention of living their lives under his control. How about you? Are you just believing with your head or are you believing with your heart, too? The apostle James wrote that "faith without works is dead." In other words, it isn't enough to believe that Jesus is God and Saviour; saving faith, the belief that results in being "born-again," expects to be changed, to live in obedience to Christ. Is this you?

The greatest antidote to fear is love. "Perfect love casts out fear," the apostle John wrote. The fear you have of doing something so awful, so blasphemous, that it cuts you off forever from God exists because you don't love God. If you want to be free of the fearful thoughts that have been plaguing you, love is the key. How do you come to love God?

1.) Know and believe the incredible love that God has for you. (1 John 4:16)
2.) Obey the First and Great Commandment. (Matthew 22:36-38)



Yeah I live my life a lot different then how I used to live.
I used to watch inappropriate content everyday, do drugs every day ( weed , pills etc. )
Watch all kinds of horror movies, dirty movies with lots of cussing etc..


Praise Jesus I don't no longer listen to rap music thats cussing every breath.
I don't do drugs anymore ( I did back-slide about 1 year ago )
I don't watch hardly any movies anymore.

But none of this is salvation. Just things I don't wanna do anymore.
You say I don't love God I don't really agree, but i'm not prideful enough to not heed your advice.
Cause I truly wanna love Jesus and do what He wants me to do.
I truly want free from this OCD type of thinking.
 
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Yeah I live my life a lot different then how I used to live.
I used to watch inappropriate content everyday, do drugs every day ( weed , pills etc. )
Watch all kinds of horror movies, dirty movies with lots of cussing etc..

It can be a danger to look back and judge your progress on your distance from where you've started. God's standard for us isn't how less like our old self we used to be but how much like Jesus we are. How that going for you? Are you more and more like Jesus? Or just not as bad as you used to be?

Praise Jesus I don't no longer listen to rap music thats cussing every breath.
I don't do drugs anymore ( I did back-slide about 1 year ago )
I don't watch hardly any movies anymore.

Is he the reason for these changes?

But none of this is salvation. Just things I don't wanna do anymore.

This is a very insightful comment. You're right: a changed life isn't salvation - though, it is always the result of salvation. People can make all sorts of changes to their lives apart from God. But when God makes the changes His way, we are always taken deeper with Him. And God doesn't just suppress or confine our evil impulses; He changes our desires right at the heart of who we are. I hope you'll move toward this sort of change.

You say I don't love God I don't really agree, but i'm not prideful enough to not heed your advice.

Well, what does loving God look like exactly?

Cause I truly wanna love Jesus and do what He wants me to do.

Do you tell God this throughout each day? Are you yielding yourself to Him whenever you realize you've gone off and done your own thing? It's only when we are living in constant surrender to God that we experience His power and presence in our lives. In such living there is freedom from fear, anxiety and obsessive-compulsiveness. When God fills you with Himself, there is no room for these things to take root and grow.

It might help you to study through the following basic Christian discipleship course:

Discipleship Lessons
 
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It can be a danger to look back and judge your progress on your distance from where you've started. God's standard for us isn't how less like our old self we used to be but how much like Jesus we are. How that going for you? Are you more and more like Jesus? Or just not as bad as you used to be?

I can agree to some extent. But think about this for a minute.
Almost everyone has a testimony about how they were before Christ.
Look at the atheists or drunkards and drug users and woman beaters and satanists etc..

You say am I more and more like Jesus or just as not as bad as I used to be.
I say I am both. I am not near like I used to be when I was a teenager... And everyday I strive to be like Christ but I am not perfect.

Is he the reason for these changes?

Yes He is. I said something one night and knew I needed to get into Church and get right with Christ. I wanted to live a new life, and wanted to be saved. Even now when I thought all was going right out of the blue I had a evil wicked thought one night. And knew I drifted and back slid and wanted to repent and get back right with Jesus. So yes He is the reason for these changes. Why else would I take my time and write on a Christian forum if I didn't want Him in my life?

This is a very insightful comment. You're right: a changed life isn't salvation - though, it is always the result of salvation. People can make all sorts of changes to their lives apart from God. But when God makes the changes His way, we are always taken deeper with Him. And God doesn't just suppress or confine our evil impulses; He changes our desires right at the heart of who we are. I hope you'll move toward this sort of change.

True people can live a good life without Christ so they think..And wind up in hell fire forever. But obv. this isn't the case I clearly talk about Jesus and want Jesus in my life and not the other way around.

Well, what does loving God look like exactly?

The Word says if you love Him keep His commandments.
His will is to believe in the One He sent.

Do you tell God this throughout each day? Are you yielding yourself to Him whenever you realize you've gone off and done your own thing? It's only when we are living in constant surrender to God that we experience His power and presence in our lives. In such living there is freedom from fear, anxiety and obsessive-compulsiveness. When God fills you with Himself, there is no room for these things to take root and grow.
Yes all day
Yes and yes


It might help you to study through the following basic Christian discipleship course:

Discipleship Lessons


I really hope you're not implying that I am a fake Christian
God bless
 
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I can agree to some extent. But think about this for a minute.
Almost everyone has a testimony about how they were before Christ.
Look at the atheists or drunkards and drug users and woman beaters and satanists etc..

Quite right. We all of us have a dark past from which God has rescued us.

You say am I more and more like Jesus or just as not as bad as I used to be.
I say I am both. I am not near like I used to be when I was a teenager... And everyday I strive to be like Christ but I am not perfect.

Well, Amen. Here's a thought, though: like begets like. A cat begets a cat, a dog begets a dog, and we beget...more of ourselves. Only God can beget godliness in us. He does this, not as we strive to be better, but as we get out of His way so He can transform us.

Yes He is. I said something one night and knew I needed to get into Church and get right with Christ. I wanted to live a new life, and wanted to be saved.

Did you want Jesus? Is he your great and abiding desire?

Even now when I thought all was going right out of the blue I had a evil wicked thought one night.

Yeah, the devil likes to drop such things into our minds to see what we'll do. If we run with his thought, he just keeps dropping them in.

And knew I drifted and back slid and wanted to repent and get back right with Jesus.

Why did you leave him in the first place?

Why else would I take my time and write on a Christian forum if I didn't want Him in my life?

I've been on this website for over a decade now and I've seen all sorts of reasons for the posts people make on this and other forums.

True people can live a good life without Christ so they think..And wind up in hell fire forever. But obv. this isn't the case I clearly talk about Jesus and want Jesus in my life and not the other way around.

I'm glad to know it! Jesus, though, doesn't want simply to be in your life. He wants to be your life. As God, he intends that your life should revolve around him, that he should sit upon the throne of your heart as Ruler and Lord. Is that what you want? Or are you maybe more concerned with staying out of hell?

The Word says if you love Him keep His commandments.
His will is to believe in the One He sent.

The word "if" is important. If you love God, you will keep His commandments. This means that love already exists in you and is the reason for your obedience. God intends we keep His commandments, not in order to love Him, but because we love Him. So, obedience shows we love God, it is the result or manifestation of our love, but it is not our love for God itself. What, then, is it to love God? What is the Bible talking about when it says to love God with all of our being (Matthew 22:36-38), which is the First and Great Commandment?

Yes all day
Yes and yes

I'm sorry to be skeptical here, but the life God says is ours when we live in constant surrender to Him is not a life plagued by fear and OCD. It is a life of peace, love, joy and rest. (Matthew 11:28-30; Galatians 5:22; Romans 5:5)

I really hope you're not implying that I am a fake Christian
God bless

No, no. I'm not intending to imply this. But you may be confused about what it means to be a Christian and how to live in fellowship with God. Your OCD and anxiety strongly suggest this. I'd like to help you learn how to walk well with God which is why I'm posting to your thread. I've been doing so with fellows much like you for the past nearly thirty years. But, if you'd rather not, that's cool.

God's blessings upon you, too.
 
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Quite right. We all of us have a dark past from which God has rescued us.


Well, Amen. Here's a thought, though: like begets like. A cat begets a cat, a dog begets a dog, and we beget...more of ourselves. Only God can beget godliness in us. He does this, not as we strive to be better, but as we get out of His way so He can transform us.
That's what I want.


Did you want Jesus? Is he your great and abiding desire?
Yes when I said those words " Im ready to sell my soul to the .... " I had a instant fear and regret on how I got to the point to say such words. I knew then I had to get into Church cause I just thought I done lost my God and was set for hell fire.

Yeah, the devil likes to drop such things into our minds to see what we'll do. If we run with his thought, he just keeps dropping them in.
That's what happend to me out of the blue i had a wicked thought say " I love sa.... "
I instantly thought OH NO here we go again. Cause I done been through this and it was the roughest thing I ever had happen to me.


Why did you leave him in the first place?
Well you see here's what happend. I didn't say well Im leaving Christ nothing LIKE THAT at all!!

I vowed to God I would never smoke weed again, after 3 years of being torment free ; saved.
I had a thought one night, did the weed really make me think all this evil?
Hmm I thought and I smoked a joint, and was praising God and nothing changed.
I smoked weed again for 6 months EVERYDAY I smoked 1 gram for 6 months exactly not even exaggerating.
During this time here's what happend to me...
I found out my wife went to a co workers house for lunch, thought she cheated on me.
It broke my heart, I was hurt worse then I have ever felt before. I fought with her for months trying to let it go, and just couldn't. I tried but hate was in my heart.
I was very mean to her during these months, I even got mad out of rage and smacked her and instantly regret doing this act. I lost my job cause I quit, the weed made me not really care that much more anymore. I listened to rap music, and it was not a all at once thing. Then one night at a friends house I was smoking weed, listening to rap music, and boom I had a wicked thought that wasn't mine.[Cryed out for prayer] And I knew I was in spiritual warfare and I let myself fall back into my wicked ways.
Stopped going over there.
My eyes was opened to how far I have fell from what Jesus delivered me from.
I burnt all my drug stuff, gave away 200$ worth of weed, burnt a weed plant I was growing that was done for like 6 months. I got rid of all my rap music I was listening too.


I've been on this website for over a decade now and I've seen all sorts of reasons for the posts people make on this and other forums.
Understandable


I'm glad to know it! Jesus, though, doesn't want simply to be in your life. He wants to be your life. As God, he intends that your life should revolve around him, that he should sit upon the throne of your heart as Ruler and Lord. Is that what you want? Or are you maybe more concerned with staying out of hell?
I can say honestly I came because I was scared of going to hell.
But in a way doesn't everone come to Christ to escape hell and His wrath?
And yes I want Him to be in charge, I can't do it on my own.



The word "if" is important. If you love God, you will keep His commandments. This means that love already exists in you and is the reason for your obedience. God intends we keep His commandments, not in order to love Him, but because we love Him. So, obedience shows we love God, it is the result or manifestation of our love, but it is not our love for God itself. What, then, is it to love God? What is the Bible talking about when it says to love God with all of our being (Matthew 22:36-38), which is the First and Great Commandment?
I really don't know I can't really give you a answer.
I just know He wants us to love Him with all our mind heart and soul
And love thy neighbor as thyself.
And trust His Son

I'm sorry to be skeptical here, but the life God says is ours when we live in constant surrender to Him is not a life plagued by fear and OCD. It is a life of peace, love, joy and rest. (Matthew 11:28-30; Galatians 5:22; Romans 5:5)
I understand that's why I am freaking out. Cause I have all these wicked cussing Jesus thoughts going on in my mind, and I hate having them. I want them gone but they just linger in my brain.
I've been told it's the enemy throwing these thoughts at me. Then you wonder is that it or is it me?
Then your in a tormenting loop praying these thought to leave you.

So yeah I agree it should be joy peace and happiness.
Other verses come to mind though
1 Peter 4:12



No, no. I'm not intending to imply this. But you may be confused about what it means to be a Christian and how to live in fellowship with God. Your OCD and anxiety strongly suggest this. I'd like to help you learn how to walk well with God which is why I'm posting to your thread. I've been doing so with fellows much like you for the past nearly thirty years. But, if you'd rather not, that's cool.

God's blessings upon you, too.

Maybe I am and I am not ashamed to ask for help.
I think Jesus can use other humans to help other humans.
I really want to be saved, I really want to live a new life.
These thoughts have to go I hate these thought and do not agree with them.
 
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@ Caleb23:

I wrote: Well, Amen. Here's a thought, though: like begets like. A cat begets a cat, a dog begets a dog, and we beget...more of ourselves. Only God can beget godliness in us. He does this, not as we strive to be better, but as we get out of His way so He can transform us.

You replied: That's what I want.

Jesus said that if anyone wanted to be his disciple they would have to "take up their cross, deny themselves, and follow him." The cross is a place of death. Its only purpose is to kill those placed upon it. To take it up, then, as Jesus said all of his followers must do, is to die to yourself, to what you want to do, to your own desires and goals, and submit yourself entirely to God's will and way. This crucified life is costly. Are you willing to pay the price?

You wrote: Yes when I said those words " Im ready to sell my soul to the .... " I had a instant fear and regret on how I got to the point to say such words. I knew then I had to get into Church cause I just thought I done lost my God and was set for hell fire.

Okay. Well, your motive for moving toward God again was fear, not love. God tells us in His word, though, that He accepts no obedience from us that doesn't come from a love for Him. Paul the apostle wrote that no matter what I say, or know, or do, if I don't have love - love for God, first of all, and then love for others - all of it is spiritually useless. (1 Corinthians 13:1-3)

Love is incredibly important to walking with God. It is what ought to motivate us to live the crucified life. Fear isn't powerful enough to move us into the continual self-sacrifice that is the Christian life, not with the joy and peace we ought to have in such living. And fear is self-centered, not God centered. Fear reflects a desire to protect one's self, not a desire for God. And fear is tormenting, moving a person into darkness, not God's light (1 John 4:18). So, God rejects fear as a motivator of our obedience. He intends that His love for us casts out fear from our lives. (1 John 4:18) What does it say about your walk with God that fear so much dominates your thinking?

You wrote: That's what happend to me out of the blue i had a wicked thought say " I love sa.... "
I instantly thought OH NO here we go again. Cause I done been through this and it was the roughest thing I ever had happen to me.


Those out-of-the-blue thoughts that are dark and ugly come, I believe, from the devil. He wants to keep you fearful and tormented - just as you now are. Here's the thing, though: Satan has no power over the born-again child of God except what they choose to give him. We can successfully resist him - and we are commanded to do so - by living in submission to God and using our spiritual sword, the word of truth, to cut down the devil's lies. (James 4:6; Hebrews 4:12) The next time dark thoughts rise in your mind, submit yourself to God's will and way, and counter them with the truth of Scripture.

You wrote: My eyes was opened to how far I have fell from what Jesus delivered me from.
I burnt all my drug stuff, gave away 200$ worth of weed, burnt a weed plant I was growing that was done for like 6 months. I got rid of all my rap music I was listening too.


But why in all the time it took to drift from God did you not realize you were drifting? Why did you not turn back to Christ sooner? What was it about your walk with God that allowed you to drift so much?

You wrote: I can say honestly I came because I was scared of going to hell.
But in a way doesn't everone come to Christ to escape hell and His wrath?
And yes I want Him to be in charge, I can't do it on my own.


Many people come to Christ because they fear hell, not because they love him. And when they do, they have not properly understood the Gospel. The Gospel is above all things a message of love, and grace, and mercy. God's holy wrath and punishment of sin are integral and important parts of the Gospel, but they should serve ultimately to reveal to us the massive, incredible, astounding love that God has for us and has shown to us in the sacrifice of His Son on our behalf. This is why, in speaking of the Gospel, the apostle John wrote,

1 John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.


Amen to your acknowledgement of your inability to "do it on your own." This is where walking with God must always begin.

You wrote: I really don't know I can't really give you a answer.
I just know He wants us to love Him with all our mind heart and soul
And love thy neighbor as thyself.
And trust His Son


I was a martial arts instructor for almost thirty years. I loved martial arts training. I went day-in and day-out to training, week after week, year after year, breaking my teeth, dislocating my bones, tearing my tendons, sweating, straining, spending money on equipment and seminars. All of these things showed that I loved the martial arts but they weren't the love I had for the martial arts. No, my love for the martial arts was something else: It was a deep desire, a powerful longing, an overriding passion for martial arts training. It was because I had this desire, this longing, this passion for training that I did it. So, too, with God. Love for Him is a deep desire, a powerful longing and passion for Him. It is this desire that He wants to motivate us into our walk with Him. And we have such desire, such longing and passion for Him, in part because we understand that He has first loved us with such desire and passion. (1 John 4:19; Ephesians 3:17-19)

You wrote: I understand that's why I am freaking out. Cause I have all these wicked cussing Jesus thoughts going on in my mind, and I hate having them. I want them gone but they just linger in my brain.

God can free you of these thoughts but He does so by taking you over, not by just removing the thoughts from your mind. He dissolves the evil thoughts by filling you with Himself. And He does this as you truly surrender yourself to Him, throughout each day.

God also wants to teach you how to resist the devil. This involves learning to use God's word as the sword of truth that it is, walking by faith, not by sight, keeping short accounts with God, and labouring in prayer. It is only in struggle, in battle, that these spiritual practices are honed and established in you.

You wrote: Then your in a tormenting loop praying these thought to leave you.

So yeah I agree it should be joy peace and happiness.
Other verses come to mind though
1 Peter 4:12


I used to struggle when I was a young man with OCD and anxiety. The way I got free was to stop debating within myself about the crazy, dark thoughts that would enter my mind, and just fix my mind upon God's truth. I memorized a bunch of verses that spoke to my anxieties and when I would start to become fearful and obsessive, I would simply turn my mind to the verses I'd memorized and focus on them rather than my fearful thinking. It took some time and effort doing this before the OCD habits of thinking I'd formed began to dissolve, but dissolve they finally did.

You wrote: Maybe I am and I am not ashamed to ask for help.
I think Jesus can use other humans to help other humans.
I really want to be saved, I really want to live a new life.
These thoughts have to go I hate these thought and do not agree with them.


Check out the link I sent you. Here it is again:

Discipleship Lessons
 
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I wrote: Well, Amen. Here's a thought, though: like begets like. A cat begets a cat, a dog begets a dog, and we beget...more of ourselves. Only God can beget godliness in us. He does this, not as we strive to be better, but as we get out of His way so He can transform us.

You replied: That's what I want.

Jesus said that if anyone wanted to be his disciple they would have to "take up their cross, deny themselves, and follow him." The cross is a place of death. Its only purpose is to kill those placed upon it. To take it up, then, as Jesus said all of his followers must do, is to die to yourself, to what you want to do, to your own desires and goals, and submit yourself entirely to God's will and way. This crucified life is costly. Are you willing to pay the price?

You wrote: Yes when I said those words " Im ready to sell my soul to the .... " I had a instant fear and regret on how I got to the point to say such words. I knew then I had to get into Church cause I just thought I done lost my God and was set for hell fire.

Okay. Well, your motive for moving toward God again was fear, not love. God tells us in His word, though, that He accepts no obedience from us that doesn't come from a love for Him. Paul the apostle wrote that no matter what I say, or know, or do, if I don't have love - love for God, first of all, and then love for others - all of it is spiritually useless. (1 Corinthians 13:1-3)

Love is incredibly important to walking with God. It is what ought to motivate us to live the crucified life. Fear isn't powerful enough to move us into the continual self-sacrifice that is the Christian life, not with the joy and peace we ought to have in such living. And fear is self-centered, not God centered. Fear reflects a desire to protect one's self, not a desire for God. And fear is tormenting, moving a person into darkness, not God's light (1 John 4:18). So, God rejects fear as a motivator of our obedience. He intends that His love for us casts out fear from our lives. (1 John 4:18) What does it say about your walk with God that fear so much dominates your thinking?

You wrote: That's what happend to me out of the blue i had a wicked thought say " I love sa.... "
I instantly thought OH NO here we go again. Cause I done been through this and it was the roughest thing I ever had happen to me.


Those out-of-the-blue thoughts that are dark and ugly come, I believe, from the devil. He wants to keep you fearful and tormented - just as you now are. Here's the thing, though: Satan has no power over the born-again child of God except what they choose to give him. We can successfully resist him - and we are commanded to do so - by living in submission to God and using our spiritual sword, the word of truth, to cut down the devil's lies. (James 4:6; Hebrews 4:12) The next time dark thoughts rise in your mind, submit yourself to God's will and way, and counter them with the truth of Scripture.

You wrote: My eyes was opened to how far I have fell from what Jesus delivered me from.
I burnt all my drug stuff, gave away 200$ worth of weed, burnt a weed plant I was growing that was done for like 6 months. I got rid of all my rap music I was listening too.


But why in all the time it took to drift from God did you not realize you were drifting? Why did you not turn back to Christ sooner? What was it about your walk with God that allowed you to drift so much?

You wrote: I can say honestly I came because I was scared of going to hell.
But in a way doesn't everone come to Christ to escape hell and His wrath?
And yes I want Him to be in charge, I can't do it on my own.


Many people come to Christ because they fear hell, not because they love him. And when they do, they have not properly understood the Gospel. The Gospel is above all things a message of love, and grace, and mercy. God's holy wrath and punishment of sin are integral and important parts of the Gospel, but they should serve ultimately to reveal to us the massive, incredible, astounding love that God has for us and has shown to us in the sacrifice of His Son on our behalf. This is why, in speaking of the Gospel, the apostle John wrote,

1 John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.


Amen to your acknowledgement of your inability to "do it on your own." This is where walking with God must always begin.

You wrote: I really don't know I can't really give you a answer.
I just know He wants us to love Him with all our mind heart and soul
And love thy neighbor as thyself.
And trust His Son


I was a martial arts instructor for almost thirty years. I loved martial arts training. I went day-in and day-out to training, week after week, year after year, breaking my teeth, dislocating my bones, tearing my tendons, sweating, straining, spending money on equipment and seminars. All of these things showed that I loved the martial arts but they weren't the love I had for the martial arts. No, my love for the martial arts was something else: It was a deep desire, a powerful longing, an overriding passion for martial arts training. It was because I had this desire, this longing, this passion for training that I did it. So, too, with God. Love for Him is a deep desire, a powerful longing and passion for Him. It is this desire that He wants to motivate us into our walk with Him. And we have such desire, such longing and passion for Him, in part because we understand that He has first loved us with such desire, longing and passion. (1 John 4:19; Ephesians 3:17-19)

You wrote: I understand that's why I am freaking out. Cause I have all these wicked cussing Jesus thoughts going on in my mind, and I hate having them. I want them gone but they just linger in my brain.

God can free you of these thoughts but He does so by taking you over, not by just removing the thoughts from your mind. He dissolves the evil thoughts by filling you with Himself. And He does this as you truly surrender yourself to Him, throughout each day.

God also wants to teach you how to resist the devil. This involves learning to use God's word as the sword of truth that it is, walking by faith, not by sight, keeping short accounts with God, and labouring in prayer. It is only in struggle, in battle, that these spiritual practices are honed and established in you.

You wrote: Then your in a tormenting loop praying these thought to leave you.

So yeah I agree it should be joy peace and happiness.
Other verses come to mind though
1 Peter 4:12


I used to struggle when I was a young man with OCD and anxiety. The way I got free was to stop debating within myself about the crazy, dark thoughts that would enter my mind, and just fix my mind upon God's truth. I memorized a bunch of verses that spoke to my anxieties and when I would start to become fearful and obsessive, I would simply turn my mind to the verses I'd memorized and focus on them rather than my fearful thinking. It took some time and effort doing this before the OCD habits of thinking I'd formed began to dissolve, but dissolve they finally did.

You wrote: Maybe I am and I am not ashamed to ask for help.
I think Jesus can use other humans to help other humans.
I really want to be saved, I really want to live a new life.
These thoughts have to go I hate these thought and do not agree with them.


Check out the link I sent you. Here it is again:

Discipleship Lessons
Thanks for taking the time to write to me.
I really want to love God like I should and live a new life.
Thanks for caring man, feel free to pm me anytime I really need good spirtual direction / advice.
Cause I long to be in union relationship with Jesus it's my hearts desire.
I just wish I had some different circumstances in coming to Him.

I thought I was good, but I was deceived.
 
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update : things have got a lot better, but I still have the thoughts come.
Less days am I disabled by the mental torment.
Most days I can go through and it not bother me as bad.

Still waiting for the day I am completely delivered.
Jesus is able I know.
 
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