Chick-fil-A funded anti-Christian org that inspired shooter to target Family Research Council

Brightmoon said:

. The Bible tells slaves to obey their masters at a minimum. You’re claiming that an abusive exploitive institution like slavery is good because it’s in the Bible and condoned. The USA civil war was fought over these issues including the religious one.

I don’t open a bible and then lose my ability to think. As I’ve said, I don’t accept biblical inerrancy. Harassing gays and the other alphabet soup people is emotionally abusive .

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Who created slavery?

Brightmoon said:

. You know I’ve seen the same stupid idea used against atheists. As Penn Jillette stated he rapes and murders as much as he wants . Which is not at all! . Christians just like atheists have to think about morality . Adopting the attitude that the Bible says jump and then you jump , is immoral and you’re acting like a tunicate with no brain. If God wanted us to act like tunicates, we’d be tunicates

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Who decides what is moral and what is not moral?

Brightmoon said:

Our culture is different and what was acceptable in the Bronze Age is not acceptable now.

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You mean something like marriage? Then why did Jesus instruct us on what constitutes marriage and then quoted Genesis 2:24?

Brightmoon said:

yes morality has changed over the centuries. Women have some legal rights including the right not to be abused;children can’t be murdered or sold into servitude or prostitution at the parents’ whims; slavery is now illegal in every country on the planet. Man’s Changing morality !

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None of which God instituted. Again who decides which morals remain and which are discarded? For example, what has changed from what Jesus said in Mark chapter 7:


Mark 7: NASB


20And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,22deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23“All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”

Brightmoon said:

so you abuse peoples if you think the Bible allows it ?good to know.this is one of the reasons there’s so many atheists

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Hmm. Where did I advocate such? And where does Jesus and the Apostles tell us to do so?

I just asked where the “two spirit” teaching can be found in Apostolic teachings? I guess the answer is no we can’t find such postmodernist ideas in the Scriptures and history of the church.

Why are there so many atheists? Perhaps they have not heard the true Gospel of Christ crucified, died for our sins and Risen from the dead granting eternal life in the Name of Jesus Christ. Perhaps they have rejected the Gospel and instead are listening to false gospels which say “hey come to church you don’t need to change at all for God”.

hedrick said:

Directly, no. He doesn't reach down and personally create every rock and tree. But that's not what I think most of us understand by creator of all things.

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Then why bring up such a ridiculous distinction. I quoted directly from the creed.

hedrick said:

Certainly not. But Jesus didn't write a legal code nor even an ethics textbook. He gave us general principles, with some illustrations. Then he gave us the power of loosing and binding, which means the authority to make decisions of this sort.

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You believe Jesus gave us the power to redefine marriage via loosing and binding?

tulc said:

Except He's not. If He hadn't changed wouldn't President Trump have been stoned to death for repeatedly committing adultery? And wouldn't people who do yard work on Saturday be routinely executed as well? And that's not even those times when it's said right there in the Bible He changed His mind about things. Or when He talks about His regretting doing something.
tulc(knows this thread isn't about this and wont comment more, just thought it needed to be pointed out that God indeed doesn't change...except for when He does)

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Huh?

Quartermaine said:

The Family Research council is a hate group with a long history of lying and misrepresenting legitimate research but also in creating and publishing fake research.
Paul Cameron spent years advocating for mass detention camps for homosexuals where they could be tortured, mutilated and killed as a form of "family entertainment"

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Is that on the SPLC site too?

tulc said:

You mean when God changed His relationship with the world? Yes I understand that. I also might point out the two things I listed? Preexisted the Law as such. They're two of the 10 Commandments, adultery and the Sabbath. So yeah, I understand that as well. But again, this thread isn't about that.
tulc(is getting ready to drink more coffee)

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Tulc does your pastor give classes on covenant relationships? If not bring him\her a cup of coffee.

tulc said:

You would think that...of course since the things Jesus taught and did are mostly ignored by the church, it's pretty clear a lot of what's called Christianity today is more man made then Jesus based. Now, I'm not saying it's bad, but if people were being honest they would have to admit there's a lot of things believed today that would bewilder the Apostles and the early Church.
tulc(just something else he thought should be pointed out)

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What’s being ignored? Something like this?

1 Corinthians 6: NASB

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

tulc said:

Yes I understand that, what I also understand is that fulfillment did "change" the relationship.
tulc(is trying to keep this thread from getting shut down for going off topic)

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That’s quite different from God changing. Maybe I’ll set up a theology thread on this subject.

The Barbarian said:

That's it? He found a document from the SPLC, identifying the FRC as a hate group? Do you now see why Americans see Breitbart as dishonest?

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Every mass shooting the media pulls Facebook and other social media information to find out “why?” Then they publish what sites or Facebook pages the shooter frequented.

It’s material in those cases and this one too.

Brightmoon said:

the errant view of human sexuality is thst there are only 2 genders and 2 well defined sexes. That is solely a religious belief. It doesn’t match physical realities and I’m speaking as someone who studies biology. Believing that there are only 2 sexes and only 2 genders and trying to force people who don’t fit that mold into it , is a pretty severe form of emotional abuse.

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No it’s actually a biological fact there are males and females. They used to teach these facts in kindergarten. There are the rare cases of intersex persons. That is a physical deformity as is those who think they are another sex or none at all is a mental disorder.