I think i may be in the process of being given something of a spiritual gift????

DennisTate · Nov 27, 2019

swordsman1 said:
The only impression I get of Jesse Duplantis is that he is a money grabbing false teacher.

Jesse Duplantis Prosperity Gospel ~ 2015 Edition

Jesse Duplantis- story about police dog baptized in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost

The Scribes and the Pharisees probably accused Messiah Yeshua - Jesus of the same thing because it takes money to be a wine- bibber and a gutton and a friend of harlots and tax collectors!?

If I got the correct impression......
Messiah Yeshua - Jesus told Mr. Jesse Duplantis to pay off Mr. Kevin Zadai's mortgage...... and he did it!

He was also told somehow to be in contact with him...... and has spent fifteen hours per week most weeks advising and encouraging and attempting to inspire Mr. Kevin Zadai. Even if I was loaded with money........ I don't know if I would obey guidance that hot and powerful........... My Lukewarm streak might just rebel at guidance that hot!??????

Matthew 11

But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the marketplaces, who call unto their fellows 17 and say, We piped unto you, and ye did not dance; we wailed, and ye did not mourn.

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a demon.

19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold, a gluttonous man and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! And wisdom is justified by her works.

20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not.

21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon which were done in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

22 But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you.

23 And thou, Capernaum, shalt thou be exalted unto heaven? thou shalt go down unto Hades: for if the mighty works had been done in Sodom which were done in thee, it would have remained until this day.

24 But I say unto you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

charsan · Nov 27, 2019

DennisTate said:
Your belief is perhaps the most commonly held but it is not God that our prayers change.........
it is God's reaction to our reality...... and to our human leaders in government that we pray for..... Why would Paul admonish us to pray for our leaders in government if their path in life was UNCHANGEABLE?????

Not at all. God does as He wills and even though you want total control (that is what this is all about) you will never have it. You have moved God into some box that He must do as you say and that is not the Christian God. We are instructed to pray because Christ taught us to pray but it is evident more and more from your post you want a wish granter and do not want what God really is.

charsan · Nov 27, 2019

DennisTate said:
Actually power is kind of scary......
with power comes RESPONSIBILITY!

No with what you seek is soaked in Pride, instead of humbling yourself you say I want to know and have control.

DennisTate · Nov 27, 2019

charsan said:
No with what you seek is soaked in Pride, instead of humbling yourself you say I want to know and have control.

If we say to ourselves that we know nothing about anything and thus hide away.... then is that not like the guy with one talent who hid it?

I have forty seven years background in watching world events..... Surely I must have learned a thing or two in forty seven of my sixty years dedicated to this type of thing??????

If I am too cowardly and lacking in faith to at least attempt to inform people about what I got into in these campaigns....... Then who else in my area of the world would be willing to do it??????

I saw poverty with my own eyes when I taught English in Quito, Ecuador so I have a responsibility to use all that information that I took in since the early 1970's for something????

I can't see myself as a pastor... but at least this seems to be some issues that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus also want dealt with.

Do we Canadians owe America an apology for 1750 - 1783?

and....

My 2006, my 2008 and my 2004 campaign writings by DennisTate.

DennisTate · Nov 27, 2019

charsan said:
Not at all. God does as He wills and even though you want total control (that is what this is all about) you will never have it. You have moved God into some box that He must do as you say and that is not the Christian God. We are instructed to pray because Christ taught us to pray but it is evident more and more from your post you want a wish granter and do not want what God really is.

No......... God answers our prayers...... but if we are too lacking in real faith to bother praying perhaps because we were convinced that the future is nailed in stone......... then that is our error based on our lack of understanding.

Hosea 4:6
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

I recently heard the statement made that the Amplified Bible is closer to the original Greek and Hebrew than the KJV tends to be. The KJV is astonishingly powerful and the verses are short and sound very authoritative but.... the original Greek and Hebrew can actually allow for a much wider range of understanding.

For example... the word translated "forever" actually means "until the end of conditions last"... but that is too long for the KJV translators.

DennisTate · Nov 27, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
The gifts of God are true and right, powerful today,

and they have nothing to do with false teachers whose gifts are also (seemingly) powerful, but for what is wrong..

One thing that I have noticed since I became a Christian back in the 1970's is that when a Christian gets to the place where they are sure that they are allowed to accuse and accuse and accuse and accuse even Christian leaders.........

that Christian lacks a real wise fear of these statements in scripture:

Isn't it rather obvious that both Dr. Kevin Zadai and Jesse Duplantis both ask for the Holy Spirit and for the gifts of the Holy Spirit?

Luke 11:13 "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

Yeshuaslavejeff...... have you ever noticed the context of the warning about the unpardonable sin????????/

You sure don't seem to have much fear of your perhaps doing this do you????

Are there any scriptures that you do fear that you might be breaking????

Matthew 12

24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This man doth not cast out demons, but by Beelzebub the prince of the demons.

25 And knowing their thoughts he said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 and if Satan casteth out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand?

27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.

28 But if I by the Spirit of God cast out demons, then is the kingdom of God come upon you.

29 Or how can one enter into the house of the strong [man,] and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong [man]? and then he will spoil his house.

30 He that is not with me is against me, and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come.

33 Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by its fruit.

34 Ye offspring of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

35 The good man out of his good treasure bringeth forth good things: and the evil man out of his evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

36 And I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Al Touthentop · Nov 27, 2019

DennisTate said:
I look forward to the time when Messiah Yeshua - Jesus resurrects his great, great, great .... grandfather King David of Israel.... as He promised!

Jeremiah 30:9
"But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them."

But... there might be even more to the entire topic than we Christians tend to imagine at this time??????

It will all make sense in hindsight.... but to most of us the next several decades will contain a lot of confusing events.

King Solomon would have loved to have been able to resurrect his dad.....but his great, great, great..... grandson Messiah Yeshua - Jesus will do that when He finally gets the go ahead from the Ancient of Days the Heavenly Father.

Could final Elijah = Moshiach ben Ephrayim?

He promised all right. And he delivered too. If you think there's more to it, that the prophecy still has to be fulfilled - and what do you think that word means anyway - then it was never fulfilled. The messiah came and "Elijah" already came. So how is it possible that Moshiac Ben Ephrayim could be Elijah? Final Elijah? And who is "Final Jesus" if this person is the new John the Baptist?

How is it that you've been so taken in by these hoaxters who reject Christ? Is it perhaps because you spend more time watching videos than opening your Bible?

JustRachel · Nov 27, 2019

Referring to your criticism of Jeff: We are supposed to be discerning. Many who are "Christian leaders" are nothing of the sort.

Al Touthentop · Nov 27, 2019

DennisTate said:
For example... the word translated "forever" actually means "until the end of conditions last"... but that is too long for the KJV translators.

The word alone means "age" or era. Sometimes it would be expressed in the plural as in "the ages. 'τους αιωνας'- the ages - a very long time.

charsan · Nov 27, 2019

DennisTate said:
If we say to ourselves that we know nothing about anything and thus hide away.... then is that not like the guy with one talent who hid it?

I have forty seven years background in watching world events..... Surely I must have learned a thing or two in forty seven of my sixty years dedicated to this type of thing??????

If I am too cowardly and lacking in faith to at least attempt to inform people about what I got into in these campaigns....... Then who else in my area of the world would be willing to do it??????

I saw poverty with my own eyes when I taught English in Quito, Ecuador so I have a responsibility to use all that information that I took in since the early 1970's for something????

I can't see myself as a pastor... but at least this seems to be some issues that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus also want dealt with.

Do we Canadians owe America an apology for 1750 - 1783?

and....

My 2006, my 2008 and my 2004 campaign writings by DennisTate.

Moving the goal post, this whole OP was and is about some thoughts you had attributing that to the Holy Spirit.

charsan · Nov 27, 2019

DennisTate said:
No......... God answers our prayers...... but if we are too lacking in real faith to bother praying perhaps because we were convinced that the future is nailed in stone......... then that is our error based on our lack of understanding.

Of course He answers our prayers when it His will alone. Unfortunately you can not move beyond the idea of God being your personal genie and what you pray about He must absolutely do. As people have said to you in this thread your eyes are off of God and unto you.

anna ~ grace · Nov 27, 2019

DennisTate said:
The Scribes and the Pharisees probably accused Messiah Yeshua - Jesus of the same thing because it takes money to be a wine- bibber and a gutton and a friend of harlots and tax collectors!?

If I got the correct impression......
Messiah Yeshua - Jesus told Mr. Jesse Duplantis to pay off Mr. Kevin Zadai's mortgage...... and he did it!

He was also told somehow to be in contact with him...... and has spent fifteen hours per week most weeks advising and encouraging and attempting to inspire Mr. Kevin Zadai. Even if I was loaded with money........ I don't know if I would obey guidance that hot and powerful........... My Lukewarm streak might just rebel at guidance that hot!??????

Matthew 11

But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the marketplaces, who call unto their fellows 17 and say, We piped unto you, and ye did not dance; we wailed, and ye did not mourn.

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a demon.

19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold, a gluttonous man and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! And wisdom is justified by her works.

20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not.

21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon which were done in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

22 But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you.

23 And thou, Capernaum, shalt thou be exalted unto heaven? thou shalt go down unto Hades: for if the mighty works had been done in Sodom which were done in thee, it would have remained until this day.

24 But I say unto you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

I would strongly recommend some decent Christian teachers and thinkers, and getting away from the televangelists.

Kenny'sID · Nov 28, 2019

Dennis, Dennis, Dennis, what have you let those people do to you?

*LILAC · Nov 28, 2019

DennisTate said:
This morning for hour after hour I was hit very powerfully with the idea that Dr. Kevin Zadai has some sort of "Solomon" calling or mantle or destiny on his life?????

That led to my thinking that Evangelist Jesse DuPlantis, (pardon my spelling)..... has some sort of King DAvid calling on his life........
due to his having been shown somehow that Dr. Kevin Zadai was his spiritual son????

The possible implications of this at this time are huge......... and I am wondering if there is anybody here who has been hit with a similar impression regarding these two rather famous Christian leaders????

No. No no no no no.... I watched this Kevin dude on a Sid Roth Supernatural show a while ago and I sensed right away that he's a phony. Sure enough, his story was totally unscriptural!

If anything, I hope you develop better discernment. That gift is very much needed in such times as this when all the false teachers are coming out of the wood work and are like ravenous wolves! They will devour you if you let them. Be careful!

DennisTate · Nov 28, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
Dennis, Dennis, Dennis, what have you let those people do to you?

This is a far, far, far better place than where I was back in 1988 when I only noticed what was being done through the Worldwide Church of God and some of its branches!

My daughter got me listening to Jesse Duplantis several years ago. He does an awesome job of using his mistakes and errors of his past to prove that God will bless us and turn our errors into tools that can be used to encourage others........ and he does it with humour....... which we can all learn from!

It is not a surprising thing that he sold five hundred million dollars worth of books and DVD's and CD's and such....... He is like a Christian comedian.... who inspires us to do better.

But to get to the place where he can be told that Dr. Kevin Zadai is his spiritual son and that he should pay off his mortgage........ now that is another level of guidance that I do want........... but I only got to know about through my wife who gets direct and clear messages like that through dreams and other ways.

My wife was told that I was going to be her husband and that she should fast and pray for me for thirty five days. She did it! For three days per week for four weeks only fruit juices and then seven days in a row only fruit juices. Yeshua - Jesus woke her up early in the mornings and got her to pray for me..... and I felt the most astonishing Shalom - peace of mind that I ever felt in my life.

That Shalom was off the scale in comparison to my rought decade of 1990 - 2000 when my wife was told to fast for me after I sent her an e-mail through a Christian dating website.

DennisTate · Nov 28, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
I would strongly recommend some decent Christian teachers and thinkers, and getting away from the televangelists.

Do you mean the ones who teach that healing and gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased in the First Century apostolic era of the church?

Do you mean the same ones who were taught by those who despised the Apostle of Faith Smith Wigglesworth because after his humbly taking care of the children in the back of the church for many years while his wife preached........ Messiah Yeshua - Jesus gave him a powerful healing and deliverance ministry?

If our denomination.... that we may love like a mother ... teaches us that spiritual gifts ceased in the first century............... then by what source must Smith Wiggles worth be doing these miracles??????????

Isn't that sort of thing the same Christian Wrap Up Smear that the Scribes and Pharisees used on John the Baptist and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus??????

My old church engaged in that to a degree so I learned some important attitudes and behaviour patterns to avoid from the Worldwide Church of God...........

The Christian using the Wrap Up Smear tactic..... is probably making a far, far, far, far worse error than the supposed errors that they are criticizing in those who they perceive as rivals over tithes and offerings............ that most of us would like to get something for such as books or DVD's..... that we at least can use to attempt to inspire a friend or family member to perhaps consider going to church.......

DennisTate · Nov 28, 2019

charsan said:
Of course He answers our prayers when it His will alone. Unfortunately you can not move beyond the idea of God being your personal genie and what you pray about He must absolutely do. As people have said to you in this thread your eyes are off of God and unto you.

When I pray for President Trump I expect that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus will answer me.........

Matthew 21:22
"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive."

A lot of us are praying for him..... and even for P. M. Justin Trudeau who behaves like an enemy to Christians but...... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus wants him to be convicted and turned around radically.

Matthew 18:19
"Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven."

I even pray for Shifty Schiff so that he will come to genuine and fervent repentance...... Bill Wiese did!

DennisTate · Nov 28, 2019

charsan said:
Moving the goal post, this whole OP was and is about some thoughts you had attributing that to the Holy Spirit.

Yes........ but anybody who reads this thread can see that
we Christians tend to believe the teachers who are using similar tactics to
the Accuser of the Brethren who managed to convince a third of the angels to follow him in a revolt!

Dr. Richard Eby's Near-Death Experience and the Second Coming of Christ

Jesus hesitated as I tried to capture the immensity of his explanations.

"You must understand, my son, that original creation mirrored the composition and perfection of Person-God. All creation vibrated in unison with us! There was total accord and harmony everywhere as the whole creation was resonating with and in God!

"Each separate thing or being thus carried out an appointed task in our scheme for the universe. A heaven-form of music resulted as even the stars sang in their appointed circuits. Here in paradise you are hearing these melodious vibrations directly upon your new mind, undistorted. On Earth you heard distorted sounds through the air waves. Throughout heaven the music flows from my throne, uninterrupted, undefiled, and peace-giving."

Jesus paused again.

"My book tells of the time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father's throne, assume his position as the most high God, and to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed 'adversary' of the Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had been created the highest angel about the throne, one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with God's other creations. In my book we call this disharmony 'sin', because it defies God's will that even the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament show his handiwork.

"But be of good cheer, my son. The Father has permitted me to overcome Satan's world system of sin, and to destroy the works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen time he will restore all creation as it once was, in him!"

It was clear enough that God's "heaven-music" was ever-present as a permeating reminder of the purity and power in its Creator. As God's methods of communication are headlined by music, even so is Satan's method of distorting its language to deceive through his "rock"! Jesus had clearly implied already that one of his final missions would be to destroy the very "works of the devil" which include all music that fails to honor the Lord. Messiah promised to destroy any disharmonies which Satan uses to lure and deceive innocent children into the pits of hell!

Did you ever notice that three thousand Jewish soldiers tied up the Danite judge Samson and passed him to the Philistines to torture him to death?

Ask yourself why?

The Wrap Up Smear as applied millennia in the past and Samson being a Danite set up his opponents to use this type of Smear:

Even some of the disciples had wondered about this Smear:

John 1:46
"And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see."

John 7:52
"They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet"

We Christians modify this to......
any true Christian will believe in all of our favourite doctrines.... so if we believe in Soul Sleep.... then we can condemn anybody who disagrees with us on this doctrine.......

DennisTate · Nov 28, 2019

Al Touthentop said:
So you don't think he already raised up a king to sit on David's throne? Are you not a Christian then? I assumed you were.

Did you ever notice that a time is coming when a "feeble" resident of Jerusalem will be like King David????

And so many get annoyed when I discern that a truly zealous Christian at this time has a Davidic calling on his life?????

Will a feeble Israeli soon be like King David?

Zechariah 12 8: "In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them."

I've heard a lot of predictions about an outpouring of the Holy Spirit on all flesh.... so I assume that this would even mean a change in the nature of predatory animals not only of predatory humans.

We Christians have a similar prediction so of course the question has crossed my mind about these events happening at roughly the same time?????

Matthew 11 11: "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."

Could the fulfillment of these predictions depend on a significant increase in cooperation between Christians and Jews?

DennisTate · Nov 28, 2019

swordsman1 said:
The only impression I get of Jesse Duplantis is that he is a money grabbing false teacher.

Jesse Duplantis Prosperity Gospel ~ 2015 Edition

Jesse Duplantis- story about police dog baptized in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost

Wow... thank you for letting me know that Jesse Duplantis is willing to be friends with another pastor who was willing to baptize a dog...... that incidentally appeared to be possessed by a demon.......

We do know that pigs can get possessed..... So I like the idea of a friend of his....... (not actually Jesse Duplantis himself baptized the dog) .... due to it appearing to be possessed.

He reported that the dog did seem to calm down after its baptism. I do pronounce wisdom on our dog and cat in the name of Yeshua - Jesus and our dog and cat do seem to be exceptionally wise and well behaved..... definitely not possessed like the pigs at Genessaret or like that dog that the person took for exorcism.

This is another good example of Jesse Duplantis having a good sense of humour and not disfellowshipping fellow pastors for praying for animals.

Mark 5
And they came to the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gerasenes.

2 And when he was come out of the boat, straightway there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, 3 who had his dwelling in the tombs: and no man could any more bind him, no, not with a chain; 4 because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been rent asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: and no man had strength to tame him.

5 And always, night and day, in the tombs and in the mountains, he was crying out, and cutting himself with stones.

6 And when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshipped him; 7 and crying out with a loud voice, he saith, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, torment me not.

8 For he said unto him, Come forth, thou unclean spirit, out of the man.

9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he saith unto him, My name is Legion; for we are many.

10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.

11 Now there was there on the mountain side a great herd of swine feeding.

12 And they besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.

13 And he gave them leave. And the unclean spirits came out, and entered into the swine: and the herd rushed down the steep into the sea, [in number] about two thousand; and they were drowned in the sea.

14 And they that fed them fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they came to see what it was that had come to pass.

15 And they come to Jesus, and behold him that was possessed with demons sitting, clothed and in his right mind, [even] him that had the legion: and they were afraid.

16 And they that saw it declared unto them how it befell him that was possessed with demons, and concerning the swine.

17 And they began to beseech him to depart from their borders.

18 And as he was entering into the boat, he that had been possessed with demons besought him that he might be with him.

19 And he suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go to thy house unto thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and [how] he had mercy on thee.

20 And he went his way, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men marvelled.

21 And when Jesus had crossed over again in the boat unto the other side, a great multitude was gathered unto him; and he was by the sea.

Jesse Duplantis- story about police dog baptized in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost

I think i may be in the process of being given something of a spiritual gift????

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