Why can't America/the West be finally saved?
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Well said. Many Christians felt Jesus would return by the year 2000 and many others by the year 1000.
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I reject that. They were doing man's will in the name of God. Anyone who is actually trying to God's will doesn't come to these conclusions.
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Sounds exactly like some day laborers Jesus talked about.
“For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.
“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’
7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.
“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’
8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’
9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”
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The Most High God does not entertain alarmists. Earth will not be destroyed until Heaven is destroyed.
What is being described as significant changes in our reality are judgements for those thousands of years our fathers had the chance to adhere to the Most High God, but chose to follow their own lusts. You don't have to follow the same path, but unfortunately you may have to be a witness to the judgments of others.
The West is not the only region that needs saving, but it is the most obvious perhaps. The West, particularly, may not be saved because the West does not believe (as a culture) it needs saving. Very simple.
Ever region on this plane of existence needs saving, but some people ash their heads and pray, while others scoff and exploit the small time they have to repent. The plan of the Most High God is to redeem His people He has chosen so that they can actually Live.
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Point is that they seem to be onto something anyway given how less civilized things look. I don't know about you, but that's my opinion.
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If the world is like Ninevah, the end will be postponed if we repent. It's a wicked world, but it's been wicked all my life. Yes, it does seem darker and our need to repent seems to loom larger than it did in my childhood, but ungodly people/cultures were murdering babies and forcing children into prostitution even before Jesus's time, so I can't honestly say it's worse now than then.
It might be reassuring to look at what Jesus said. If you read these sections starting at the verse and keep reading til you catch the whole thought, you might find good information.
Matthew 24.6
Luke 21.11
Mark 13.7
Be encouraged. You are here to do a job, like the people working in the fields our fellow posted earlier. It might be nice to get a day's wages for an hour's work - but you won't get it without working.
It might be reassuring to look at what Jesus said. If you read these sections starting at the verse and keep reading til you catch the whole thought, you might find good information.
Matthew 24.6
Luke 21.11
Mark 13.7
Be encouraged. You are here to do a job, like the people working in the fields our fellow posted earlier. It might be nice to get a day's wages for an hour's work - but you won't get it without working.
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I recently went through a trial with the passing of my wife. She was estranged from her kids, their choice. But when they found out she was terminally ill, they drifted back in. Our financials and all had excluded them, but they didn't know it. So they would visit her at their convenience during her 10 month illness. She was sent to the hospital in a last ditch effort to right her ship, which failed. At this same time, her grandson, one of the kids of one of her kids, was getting married, and after it was announced, lots of family came around to visit, including one sister I don't get along with. But the silver lining was that she was happy to have a lot of her family around. It seemed to give her energy. The bad part was that her sister was constantly demanding I do more to help her live, and finally, I had to tell her that my wife had already expressed the desire to give up after her grandson got married. After the wedding, they left without talking to me, and the following Friday, she came home to hospice care. Her children decided they would stay in our home while she was in hospice. Of course, that put a burden on me, but I got a few perks, like them helping by cleaning the kitchen, and things like that. When she died, they expressed a desire to say goodbye to her prior to her cremation. We already had everything planned and paid for, but they wanted this, at a cost of $1000. That's a pain, but the silver lining was that I got to go to the morgue to watch her body being blessed by our priest, and I got to spend a few minutes alone with her, to talk to her, caress her head, kiss her, hold her hand, and just say goodbye. Nobody else was there, just my priest and me. The next morning I had to drive back to the crematory, and I got there early and had a few more minutes before the other family came in. Again, a silver lining. Then, I had no help making the commital arrangements, nobody brought flowers except me, nobody took care of the details except me, but the silver lining is that I got to honor her iall the extra work, just as I got to be with her through 10 months of chemo treatments, every day, all day, her sole provider, and her soul provider. Then there was the bickering over possessions they wanted, but other than some of the stuff she brought to our marriage, mostly heirloom jewelry, I politely pushed them away. The bad thing is that now I have a lot of her things to go through, and almost every one of them carries some memory for me to recall.
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I reject that as well.
God's will is clearly the opposite of what they did. They were men who 'belonged to the church', they were not Christians. Just because something is called a cat doesn't make it a cat when it's really a dog.
Mark 12:30-31
30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.”
Romans12:18
If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
Acts 5:42
And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they kept right on teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.
Nothing in there about invasion, rape, murder or forced missions.
The end is near. Life is short so that is the end for each individual. As to the end of the world, that too is near, just that our human view of near isn't God's view.
2 Peter 3:8
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
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What is more frightening is peoples attitudes when there are enough nuclear warheads to destroy humanity in a coffee break.
I do not want to go anywhere, but I wait, hope and long for Messiah,
As in the days of Noah.
Go into the ark and ride out the storm.
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Most people in the prosperous west have turned their backs towards God. At the same time, many in the third world countries are embracing the gospel.
It seems to be a common condition of fallen man throughout the ages. It didn't take long for the Jews to turn to idols after God liberated them from slavery in Egypt.
The west has enjoyed freedom and prosperity for centuries, so we figure we don't need God for anything.
The worst thing that can happen to any person, is for God to give us over to our own lusts and desires. That's a sure fire curse right there, it seals the person for eternal damnation.
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I only wish I can see in my lifetime the non-dark people retake the institutions and then those who are currently "the man" will fear us and we will be laughing at them.If the world is like Ninevah, the end will be postponed if we repent. It's a wicked world, but it's been wicked all my life. Yes, it does seem darker and our need to repent seems to loom larger than it did in my childhood, but ungodly people/cultures were murdering babies and forcing children into prostitution even before Jesus's time, so I can't honestly say it's worse now than then.
It might be reassuring to look at what Jesus said. If you read these sections starting at the verse and keep reading til you catch the whole thought, you might find good information.
Matthew 24.6
Luke 21.11
Mark 13.7
Be encouraged. You are here to do a job, like the people working in the fields our fellow posted earlier. It might be nice to get a day's wages for an hour's work - but you won't get it without working.
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