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The usual 'gotcha' comment that just displays your failure to read other posts properly.
I have always said that Rev 12:1-5 refers to Jesus, Rev 12:6-17 is to do with those who follow Jesus.
You are evading, Keras. The question was Christians gave birth to Jesus? The question was not who the child was. The woman in Revelation 12 all the way through is Israel.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 
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Obviously, if she has already flown into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent---that means satan can't initially be persecuting her as shown in verse 13. This indicates verse 13 is before the time of a time, and times, and half a time, where she is nourished during that time from the face of the serpent.
The Jews are fleeing into the wilderness in Revelation 12:6. The war in (the second) heaven does not stop them from fleeing into the wilderness, as the beast is persecuting them. When Satan is cast down, he joins in with the beast on persecuting the Jews in Revelation 12:13. The Jews receive supernatural help in Revelation 12:14 to escape the intensified persecution for some to escape into the wilderness, for the time, times, half time that Satan has left once he has been cast down.
 
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The Jews are fleeing into the wilderness in Revelation 12:6. The war in (the second) heaven does not stop them from fleeing into the wilderness, as the beast is persecuting them. When Satan is cast down, he joins in with the beast on persecuting the Jews in Revelation 12:13. The Jews receive supernatural help in Revelation 12:14 to escape the intensified persecution for some to escape into the wilderness, for the time, times, half time that Satan has left once he has been cast down.


While they are first being persecuted though, they wouldn't already be in the time of time, times, half time. The text indicates---she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent---meaning the entire time, and times, and half a time. How could the woman be nourished from the face of the serpent while the serpent is persecuting her?
 
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While they are first being persecuted though, they wouldn't already be in the time of time, times, half time. The text indicates---she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent---meaning the entire time, and times, and half a time. How could the woman be nourished from the face of the serpent while the serpent is persecuting her?
David, the abomination of desolation setup (the image of the beast) triggers the great tribulation. From Daniel 12:11-12, that will happen 1335 days before Jesus returns. That's when the Jews beginning fleeing into the wilderness.

The Jews try to get into the wilderness the entire 1335 days. Wouldn't you if you were in their position? The first parts of the 1335 days will be easier compared to the later parts. Which is why Jesus instructed don't delay, in Matthew 24:17-18

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

The beast will already be persecuting the woman when Satan is cast down. Satan adds to the persecution.

When Satan is cast down, he will incarnate the image of the beast making it appear to come alive and speak. Everyone will be required to worship the image or die.

I don't know how in actual terms you are going to isolate Revelation 12:13 from the persecution that will already be going on by the beast on the woman. The time, times, half times is the short time that Satan will have left.
 
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You are evading, Keras. The question was Christians gave birth to Jesus? The question was not who the child was. The woman in Revelation 12 all the way through is Israel.
The true Israel of God. Not the fake Jewish Israel.

Jesus the One who overcame Satan at the Cross, the olive tree trunk, is the 'man child' taken to heaven, of Revelation 12:1-5
His followers, the grafted in branches, every faithful Christian are the people described in Revelation 12:6-17
That chapter never mentions Israel or the Jews at all. You have added them to your discredit.

DavidPT, you would do well to simply ignore the replies above as they are so confused and wrong.
Douggg fails to see the 20 + prophesies that tell of the virtual demise of the Jews and that only a remnant of Judah will join their Christian brethren.
 
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The true Israel of God. Not the fake Jewish Israel.
keras, you are playing word games.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Getting back to the original post, you have never paid the price of admission to participate in this thread, in post # 1. In fact, you have never placed an asterisks on any timeline to show when Satan is cast down to have only a time, times, half time left.
 
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Day 1___________________________*__________________________Day 2520
The many references to 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 years, are clear: Satan will be shut out of the heavenly realms and will control the world until Jesus Returns.
The extra 30 days and 75 days as per Daniel 12:11-12, will happen after Jesus Returns.
 
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Please use two and three asterisks to place where on the 7 year timeline that you think that the fifth trumpet, release of the tormenting locust takes place **. And the killing of one third of mankind in the sixth trumpet takes place ***.


Day 1__________________**__***_________________________________Day 2520

My view...

Day 1_______________________________________**_____***____Day 2520
 
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I would not call the 7 years, the trib. Because of the world saying "peace and safety" during most of that time, for around three years, thereabouts. As the falling away takes place from believing that Jesus is the messiah.
Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

It seems Jesus called the 7 years "the trib.' But perhaps He was only talking about the second half. Most of the church world believe that "the 70th week" and "the trib" are synonymous.

According to John in Rev. 1, it was "the tribulation" in the days he was living in. (The "the" is certainly there in ever Greek text, but for some reason most translators won't show it.

It seems then that the church age is "the tribulation" and the 7 years should be called "the 70th week" or the time of "Jacob's trouble."

Where do we find "peace and safety?" Paul wrote it in his passage about the rapture. The time of "peace and safety" will be at the moment of the pretrib rapture - not ANYTIME during the 70th week.
 
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Day 1___________________________*__________________________Day 2520
The many references to 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 years, are clear: Satan will be shut out of the heavenly realms and will control the world until Jesus Returns.
The extra 30 days and 75 days as per Daniel 12:11-12, will happen after Jesus Returns.
The truth is, the kingdoms of the world are given to Jesus and Satan is cast down at the midpoint, over 3.5 years before Jesus will return.
 
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Ok. Now we know that the Day of the Lord, time period, coincides with God dealing with Israel and the nations. we also know that the Body of Christ purpose, is before that time, as we see it coming, (Heb. 10: 25, & 1 Thess. 5: 4).

The world will be taken unawares and be saying `Peace & Safety,` and THEN SUDDEN destruction. (1 Thess. 5: 3) So the Peace treaty will be at the beginning of the Day of the Lord, (time period). The specific Day of the Lord we know is when the Lord descends to Mount Zion.
We can be much more specific: the DAY starts at the 6th seal, and the 70th week with the treaty confirmed is marked by the 7th seal.
 
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Marilyn, I am concluding in your view you put Satan being cast down as the moment he opens the bottomless pit? If so, that would mandate that the first four trumpets are in the first half of the seven years, would it not?

In my view, I don't think it is necessary that Satan takes the action of opening the bottomless pit right away.

I am thinking...

Day 1___________________________*__1_2_3_4___**______***_____Day 2520

* Satan cast down
** Flesh tormenting locust
*** the killing of one third of mankind

1,2,3,4 trumpets
You all are missing a very important point: the event that stops the sacrifices and divides the week into two equal halves will be the man of sin entering the temple and declaring he is God. It is the event Jesus called the abomination. Those who flee when they SEE this abomination flee in 12:6 so that verse is only seconds after the exact midpoint of the week.

Therefore, the first 6 trumpets are in the FIRST Half of the week, and the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint. Therefore the first two woes are in the first half of the week.
 
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John told about woes in ascending size of devastation to the inhabiters of the earth.

first woe - big.....tormenting locust
second woe - bigger.....killing a third of man kind
third woe - biggest.........Satan cast down to earth having great wrath
First woe, 5th trumpet, in the first half of the week.
Second woe, 6th trumpet, first half of the week, but closer to the midpoint.
Third woe, 7th trumpet marks the midpoint.
 
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keras, you are playing word games.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Getting back to the original post, you have never paid the price of admission to participate in this thread, in post # 1. In fact, you have never placed an asterisks on any timeline to show when Satan is cast down to have only a time, times, half time left.
Douggg, we seldom agree, but I agree with you here on the word games!
 
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The true Israel of God. Not the fake Jewish Israel.

Jesus the One who overcame Satan at the Cross, the olive tree trunk, is the 'man child' taken to heaven, of Revelation 12:1-5
His followers, the grafted in branches, every faithful Christian are the people described in Revelation 12:6-17
That chapter never mentions Israel or the Jews at all. You have added them to your discredit.

DavidPT, you would do well to simply ignore the replies above as they are so confused and wrong.
Douggg fails to see the 20 + prophesies that tell of the virtual demise of the Jews and that only a remnant of Judah will join their Christian brethren.
Hmmm. Where do you find a SECOND "Israel" with a capitol of Jerusalem on the map anywhere? Or do you imagine that suddenly (because we are at the end of time) the Israel that IS on the map will change?
 
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Hmmm. Where do you find a SECOND "Israel" with a capitol of Jerusalem on the map anywhere? Or do you imagine that suddenly (because we are at the end of time) the Israel that IS on the map will change?
Yes: the current State of Jewish Israel, will change; they will be virtually wiped out.
This truth is prophesied about 20 times. The Lord will destroy His enemies, Isaiah 66:15-17, Amos 1 & 2:1-5, who includes all those who reject Jesus.
You don't see it because you don't want to see it, fondly imagining as you do, that God will whisk you off to heaven, while the Jews get tribulation.

We Christians will be the people in all of the holy Land, as Isaiah 62:1-5 and many other prophesies prove.
 
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You all are missing a very important point: the event that stops the sacrifices and divides the week into two equal halves will be the man of sin entering the temple and declaring he is God. It is the event Jesus called the abomination. Those who flee when they SEE this abomination flee in 12:6 so that verse is only seconds after the exact midpoint of the week.

Therefore, the first 6 trumpets are in the FIRST Half of the week, and the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint. Therefore the first two woes are in the first half of the week.
The Antichrist going into the temple. sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood - transgression of desolation - an act

The image of the beast placed in the temple - abomination of desolation - a thing.
 
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Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

It seems Jesus called the 7 years "the trib.' But perhaps He was only talking about the second half. Most of the church world believe that "the 70th week" and "the trib" are synonymous.
Jesus in Matthew 24:15-31 did not refer to the entire 7 years, but began with the abomination of desolation and ended with His return.

tribulation of those days - runs from the abomination of desolation to the sixth seal event. 1290 days long.

great tribulation - runs from the abomination of desolation to Jesus's coming in great power and glory.
1335 days long.
 
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We can be much more specific: the DAY starts at the 6th seal, and the 70th week with the treaty confirmed is marked by the 7th seal.

Hi iamlamad,

The word `Day` means a specific time period, (24 hours) as the 6th seal foretells. Then there is the `Day` time period, over a period of time as 2 Peter 3: 10 tells us. This time period starts at the
beginning of the 7 years when people are saying `peace & safety` (1 Thess. 5: 2 & 3) & the `Day` period of time comes upon them suddenly as a thief, as a woman in labour pains.

Two distinct aspects to the `Day` of the Lord -
1. Specific - foretold at 6th seal when the Lord comes, (Rev. 19: 11)
2. Over a period of time - the time of God`s judgment upon a rebellious world. (Isa. 26: 21)

Marilyn.
 
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Jesus in Matthew 24:15-31 did not refer to the entire 7 years, but began with the abomination of desolation and ended with His return.

tribulation of those days - runs from the abomination of desolation to the sixth seal event. 1290 days long.

great tribulation - runs from the abomination of desolation to Jesus's coming in great power and glory.
1335 days long.

Hi Douggg

Just a little detail there. God`s word says people are blessed if they reach 1335 days. Now I wouldn`t say that the rebellious are `blessed` but judged when the Lord comes, thus Jesus comes prior to that time.

`Blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1335 days.` (Dan. 12: 12)
 
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