Swiss bishop describes struggle between JPII and St. Gallen group

Michie · Nov 22, 2019

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Ivo Furer, the retired bishop of Sankt Gallen- who, from 1996 until 2006, hosted the "Sankt Gallen Group" for their yearly meetings in the Swiss town of Sankt Gallen- has now written an extensive history of the Council of European Bishops' Conferences (CCEE), whose key organizers were also closely connected with the Sankt Gallen Group.

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Swiss bishop describes struggle between John Paul II and Saint Gallen Group

pdudgeon · Nov 22, 2019

Great history! It always helps to know how these things get started.

Beloved2018 · Nov 23, 2019

This:
In light of these developments and also in light of the fact that the leading figures of the Sankt Gallen Group – Lehmann, Danneels, Hume, Kasper, Martini – bear a grave responsibility for the slackness and loss of faith in Europe, it still remains a mystery why Pope John Paul II, after he effectively weakened their influence within the CCEE from 1993 on, still made several of them cardinals in 2001. Some members of the Sankt Gallen Group were then made a cardinal: Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, Audris Bačkis, Walter Kasper, and Karl Lehmann.

And it still also remains a mystery that these figures, in spite of their being removed from the CCEE still had enough organizational power so as to have possibly some decisive influence with regard to the election of Pope Francis in 2013. The Diocese of Sankt Gallen issued in 2015 a statement about the Sankt Gallen Group and stated that Bishop Ivo Fürer “never hid his joy about the election of the Argentine.”

chevyontheriver · Nov 23, 2019

pdudgeon said:
Great history! It always helps to know how these things get started.

There is another history of pope John Paul II waiting to be written. I consider George Weigel's book 'Witness to Hope' and it's sequel 'The End and the Beginning' to be solid works, but more has come out and more will come out. It needs to be put together to explain the period better. This kind of information is key.

pdudgeon · Nov 23, 2019

Beloved2018 said:
This:
In light of these developments and also in light of the fact that the leading figures of the Sankt Gallen Group – Lehmann, Danneels, Hume, Kasper, Martini – bear a grave responsibility for the slackness and loss of faith in Europe, it still remains a mystery why Pope John Paul II, after he effectively weakened their influence within the CCEE from 1993 on, still made several of them cardinals in 2001. Some members of the Sankt Gallen Group were then made a cardinal: Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, Audris Bačkis, Walter Kasper, and Karl Lehmann.

And it still also remains a mystery that these figures, in spite of their being removed from the CCEE still had enough organizational power so as to have possibly some decisive influence with regard to the election of Pope Francis in 2013. The Diocese of Sankt Gallen issued in 2015 a statement about the Sankt Gallen Group and stated that Bishop Ivo Fürer “never hid his joy about the election of the Argentine.”

I know, sometimes we wonder why God allows such stuff to happen, until we realize that what probably happened ( Pope John Paul II's actions weakened their effectiveness) was that God allowed men their "free will", and then spun the outcome a bit differently than it would have otherwise happened.

The point here is that the effectiveness of the group was watered down from what it otherwise would have been and we would be in worse shape today if He hadn't.

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