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Once again you fail to let the verse speak for itself before you look elsewhere.
Note the word "resulted" this time.

Romans 5:18 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
It doesn't change the meaning of the verse.
You can't lift one verse out and ignore the rest of the chapter and expect to be taken seriously.
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

Context, what is required for justification? You are already told in the previous verse! So why would you ignore that and claim every one gets justified? It's cherry picking at its most ridiculous.
 
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It doesn't change the meaning of the verse.
You can't lift one verse out and ignore the rest of the chapter and expect to be taken seriously.
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

Context, what is required for justification? You are already told in the previous verse! So why would you ignore that and claim every one gets justified? It's cherry picking at its most ridiculous.
Let's look at the verse on either side, while you continue to ignore our key verse.
Of course the gift has to be received, but this does not put a limitation on when that might happen. And Christ already preached to those in the grave prior to his resurrection and took captivity captive. So, what is to prevent it from happening again?

Romans 5:17-19 NIV
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
 
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Let's look at the verse on either side, while you continue to ignore our key verse.
Of course the gift has to be received, but this does not put a limitation on when that might happened. And Christ already preached to those in the grave prior to his resurrection and took captivity captive. So, what is to prevent it from happening again?

Romans 5:17-19 NIV
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
yes,
Justification and life made available for all people and applied to those who believe. Not only is this spelled out in these two verses, but in multiple others.
 
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yes,
Justification and life made available for all people and applied to those who believe. Not only is this spelled out in these two verses, but in multiple others.
No. Not just "made available" for all people.
The one righteous act RESULTED in justification and life for all people. - vs 18
… through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. - vs 19

Romans 5:17-19 NIV
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
 
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No. Not just "made available" for all people.
The one righteous act RESULTED in justification and life for all people. - vs 18
… through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. - vs 19

Romans 5:17-19 NIV
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Lol, so you just threw out the preceding verse and the rest of Romans to make your theology work.
 
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Lol, so you just threw out the preceding verse and the rest of Romans to make your theology work.
No. You are the one throwing things out, not me. I'm saying you are wrong about the long-term plan of God. This proves it.

Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
 
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No. You are the one throwing things out, not me. I'm saying you are wrong about the long-term plan of God. This proves it.

Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Repeating the same verse proves nothing. Romans tells us who is saved, those who pursue the promise by faith.
"For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."
 
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Repeating the same verse proves nothing. Romans tells us who is saved, those who pursue the promise by faith.
"For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."
As I said, you are wrong about God's long-term plan. EVERY tongue will confess.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
 
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As I said, you are wrong about God's long-term plan. EVERY tongue will confess.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
Further insight. @renniks

Note on the word "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 (bold below)

The Strong's definition says, "fully agree... openly (whole-heartedly)... without reservation"
Therefore willingly, not under compulsion, or against ones will.

S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
 
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Further insight. @renniks

Note on the word "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 (bold below)

The Strong's definition says, "fully agree... openly (whole-heartedly)... without reservation"
Therefore willingly, not under compulsion, or against ones will.

S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Dear Saint: Dr. Strong has nailed it! The worship of the Lord Jesus Christ, in all dimensions of the heaven, earth & underworld is in union with His Name, in full and complete agreement that is wholly out from Him. Yes, Steve, this worship is IN/EN the Name, not "at" His Name, flowing out from all of what being in Christ means!

Every knee bowing IN His Name, out from His Name, without reservation
 
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“…Nothing can be lost that is not first owned. Just as a parent is compelled by civil law to be responsible for his family and his property, so the Creator --by His own divine law–in compelled to take care of the children He has created. And that means not only caring for the good children, but for the bad ones and lost ones as well. So the word lost came to be for Mrs. Smith (Hannah W. Smith), a term of greatest comfort. If a person is a “lost sinner” it only means that he is temporarily separated from the Good Shepherd who owns him. The Shepherd is bound by all duties of ownership to go after all those who are lost until they are found.” -Catherine Marshall-
 
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Greater, wider, larger... (this is HUGE)

What best to call it... ??? (have read it stated many ways)

The greater hope, the wider hope, the larger hope... ??? (all good, I suppose)

The result of perseverance and proven character? Interesting. - lol

Romans 5:4-5 NASB
and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;
5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
 
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Greater, wider, larger... (this is HUGE)

What best to call it... ??? (have read it stated many ways)

The greater hope, the wider hope, the larger hope... ??? (all good, I suppose)

The result of perseverance and proven character? Interesting. - lol

Romans 5:4-5 NASB
and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;
5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Dear Steve: Greater>>>wider>>>larger Hope of all hopes. Where does His scope end?

The scope of our Father's Hope ends where it began, in Himself!

“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace , wherein He has made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace ; Wherein He has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will , according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself :That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will .”

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Greater, wider, larger... (this is HUGE)

What best to call it... ??? (have read it stated many ways)

The greater hope, the wider hope, the larger hope... ??? (all good, I suppose)

The result of perseverance and proven character? Interesting. - lol

Romans 5:4-5 NASB
and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;
5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Dear Steve: How does one enunciate in mere words the scope of the Hope?

Greater=

Higher/ outstanding/ preeminent.

Larger =

Broad/ considerable/ extensive/ generous/ giant/ grande/ substantial/ immense/ massive/ spacous/ vast.

Wider =

Expanded/ superior grandeur/ further/ farther/ deeper/ higher/ aggrandized/ vaster/ more extensive.

None of which comes remotely close in describing the majesty of our Father's exceedingly great Purpose in Himself.
 
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Dear Steve: How does one enunciate in mere words the scope of the Hope?

Greater=

Higher/ outstanding/ preeminent.

Larger =

Broad/ considerable/ extensive/ generous/ giant/ grande/ substantial/ immense/ massive/ spacous/ vast.

Wider =

Expanded/ superior grandeur/ further/ farther/ deeper/ higher/ aggrandized/ vaster/ more extensive.

None of which comes remotely close in describing the majesty of our Father's exceedingly great Purpose in Himself.
I like MASSIVE.

The massive hope. - lol
Because it's MASSIVE.

So wide, you can't get around it.
So high, you can't get over it.
We'll all go in at the door. (Jesus)
 
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"But it is said, that, as men can shake off the heritage of ADAM, so they may the grace of Christ: I reply

(I.) so they may, if the grace of Christ be only as strong as the sin of ADAM, which S. PAUL clearly denies, e.g., Rom. v. 15-21, &c.

(II.) Before men can shake off a heritage they must have received it. Hence, unless Christ REPLACES THE RACE IN PARADISE, He has not undone the evil of the Fall (a fact which is steadily denied, or ignored, by the traditional creed), and so is not the second ADAM.

(III.) It is an illogical process to say that because a partial failure took place (foreseen, and permitted for wise ends), therefore a new dispensation expressly designed to remedy that failure will itself fail.

(IV.) In the highest and truest sense God never fails, never can fail."

Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin chapter six
 
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