Does Jesus NOT know the day of his future second coming????

Does even Jesus NOT know exactly when he will return to the earth?

  • No... Jesus knows everything.

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  • Yes... that is what Jesus clearly said!

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  • What??????? That sounds really strange to me!

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.... again, whatever God's Purpose for you, leaping from the frying pan into the fire is worse, not better, not the right direction.....

After researching one angle on this from the time I was thirteen until I was thirty (1990) ......... and then researching near death experience accounts and the scriptures that sure seem to back them up since 1990........ I would prefer to be on the same side as little Colton Burpo and his open minded dad Pastor Todd Burpo than be against them....... because I think that they are telling the truth and I think that my old church had a terribly flawed understanding of the scriptures!!!!

Agreed and the Lord Lords also will someday find that out


How do you know a path is false without often first journeying on it? You certainly can't count on religion to tell you. It was the first to abandon the Kingdom in order to rejoin the world of man as a partner in human power.

One thing that I am sure of is that a nearly fifty fifty divide on the question of near death experience accounts is going to make it difficult for the Bride of Messiah to bring this earth to salvation..... when we are so divided on such an important question?????

Friends of yours watch Heaven Is For Real and ask you about it?


Is Colton Burpo a credible witness?
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You could well be correct.....
because the scriptures about the Rapture do sound a lot like those about the Second Coming..... so I admit that this is a subject well above my Security Clearance Level but....... I don't think that knowledge about the Rapture is required reading to be Raptured....... I think that obeying the Voice of God in our lives on a daily basis and not being lukewarm or dead spiritually is what matters.
Constantine legalized Christianity and appointed Eusebius Bishop of Caesarea to prepare Bibles in the early 4th century. Eusebius also wrote a history of the church(es) from the time Jesus walked upon the earth to the reign of Constantine. He published c. 325 AD. The book was called, “Ecclesiastical History.” In his book Eusebius noted some writers before his time objected to the Book of Revelation claiming it was forged and not written by the apostle John.
 
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Jesus told the 12 He was going back to make them a home and would come back and get them so where He is they will be. He said ..if it was not true He would tell them. Matt 24 was not talking to one Christian or Church. Jewish people asked Him about the end He told them what they will see. And from that day till now.. everyone that has ever asked prayed about His return.. He has never told them. I am going with He does not know.

If I might.. forgive me. I think we should take NDA with a grain of salt. The stories can be very moving. See I look for it to line up with the word of God. So when "someone" says during the great white throne Judgement "the demons will come and drag you to hell." <--yeah for me..I can't find this in the word of God. And there were more things this person said that are not in the word of God. So I tend to put what this person and others said aside. We .. as I see it should never run with experiences. God always confirms His word.

I tend to find .. God is really messed up here. Well so many of these "stories" that I can not explain nor would ever make fun of.. don't come together at all. You read something in the world and.. its NO WHERE to be found in this story. I just start with a foundation and thats the word :)
 
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One thing that I am sure of is that a nearly fifty fifty divide on the question of near death experience accounts is going to make it difficult for the Bride of Messiah to bring this earth to salvation..... when we are so divided on such an important question?????
Why is it a question at all? Where is the focus on putting the will of God before our own and loving all as self?
 
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Matthew 24


Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????



This is stated and elaborated on after the seventeen minute mark in this video and this really hit me!!!



I guess we all speculate if we differ from our understanding of the scriptures . Jesus said , no one except the Father knows and while He and the Father are one , it may be in order to demonstrate His authority , he is still submitted to the Father's will ..even as He sits a King in one and one with the Father . ( I know it sounds like a paradox but Jesus's submission demonstrates His divinity for the Father Himself is unassuming ..He just IS ..The I AM ...( He that is greatest is the least . ) So maybe Jesus has no desire to ask the Father when nor is He concerned...He waits in obedience ...with patience . ( Love is patient and kind . ) Elsewhere in the parable of the unrighteous judge and the widow , Jesus says " Howbeit , I wonder if the Son of Man will find faith on earth when He returns . So this is another example of potentially Jesus expressing there is something which he does not know.
 
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I think that my old church had a terribly flawed understanding of the scriptures
It is quite possible , but that never is an excuse to believe the false teachers you 'found' that apparently continued tickling your ears nicely. As a kind of 'escape' from the previous, but as noted , apparently just for a change from out of the frying pan into the fire. INSTEAD, KEEP SEEKING the Truth, as the ones remaining true to Scripture will continue to warn you and instruct you in the truth OF SCRIPTURE --- NEVER contrary Scripture like the ones so far tested and exposed as false prophets and false teachers.

Leaving one false (if it was false) church for another worse one, is not an improvement,
but as another poster I think hinted at, it may be a way for God to start to guide you to the truth, out of all the things that are false, by showing you HOW to test everything instead of being deceived at all.. It will still remain a challenge daily, not to be deceived... everything MUST be tested and PROVEN by Scripture, BEFORE going after it ....
 
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One thing that I am sure of is that a nearly fifty fifty divide on the question of near death experience accounts is going to make it difficult for the Bride of Messiah to bring this earth to salvation..... when we are so divided on such an important question?????
The Ekklesia are not so divided. Not 50-50, not 90-10, no ....
and the "Bride of Messiah" is not going to bring this earth to salvation (that is if anything, apparently, another false teaching by false teachers and false prophets: they are NOT just only wrong about ndes, but in other of their teachings also, so are not to be trusted for anything at all) .
 
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Matthew 24


Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????

At that time yes. But read on to the book of Revelation.

Rev 1: 1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. God Bless :)
 
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The best way to learn you are wrong is to live with yourself.
Most people never find out.
The way Jesus said is "Turn to Yahuweh, for His Kingdom IS at hand" and
"I know you (apostles and permanent disciples) do not KNOW how to live; come to ME(Jesus) and I WILL SHOW YOU HOW..."
 
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Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????

Yes and no :D Yes because Jesus Christ came to Israel and the world for a purpose.

No because after Jesus Christ died, rose again and went to the Father, being at Father's Right Hand and God on His Throne, He knows all and certainly knows the day and the hour. :yellowheart: This is why Jesus Christ urges us in Revelation to be ready. :D
 
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But... the writers of these articles could eventually find out that they are deceived and may be in a very similar attitude to the Scribes and Pharisees who opposed John the Baptist and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and the first century disciples?!
As the false teachers are already deceived, and proven by Scripture to be wrong,
there is no benefit and no hope and no defense in trying to hope that those who trust in Scripture are wrong so that the false teachings that are already proven false could perhaps somehow 'become' okay to even think about, no.

The Scribes and Pharisees that opposed Messiah Yeshua and Yochanan the immerser are just like the false religious leaders and false teachers(following u.r. or nde or any other of the false gospels) today who oppose Messiah Yeshua and Yochanan the immerser and the apostles.
i.e. unless they repent, each, they will each likewise perish (like the ones who died when the tower fell on them).
 
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come to ME(Jesus) and I WILL SHOW YOU HOW..."
Yes He taught them self serving ways and self justification of gain at the expense of others was the way of man and opposite to the ways of the Kingdom.
 
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Matthew 24


Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????



This is stated and elaborated on after the seventeen minute mark in this video and this really hit me!!!

Did he want to know? (Whenever it is, it is not any time soon and certainly not in our lifetime.)
 
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That's what happens when the Gospel of the Kingdom gets left out. People go on as they have from the Garden thinking everything is about self. Foolish humans.

You don't think all of this is trying to get His creation back in communion? That is what the new covenant was about.
 
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I just have one yes or no question for you.
Is Jesus Christ God?
"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible..."
 
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One God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
the triune Godhead is not the One True God

what you just espoused there is called "Modalism"




So you don't believe that Jesus was God??
"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible..."
 
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I didn't say he was.
yes you did:

"When he was on earth he was fully God..."

as you are using the term, only the Father is "God" in Person

God's own Word and Spirit are fully Godlike in essence and nature, they are transcendent, eternal, uncreated, unmade
 
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yes you did:

"When he was on earth he was fully God..."

as you are using the term, only the Father is "God" in Person

It's your own idea that only the Father is God.
Jesus was, and is, the eternal word through whom all things are made, John 1:1-2; Colossians 1:15-16; Hebrews 1:2-3.
Jesus was the Word made flesh, John 1:14; 1 John 1:1-2.
Jesus was opposed, almost stoned and finally crucified because he claimed to be God, John 8:58-59, John 10:32-33.
If Jesus was not God, then it means that it was only a man who died on the cross, and would have been no more able to take away our sins that any other man. Even Noah and Job, who were described as righteous and blameless, sinned. Job offered sacrifices to God for his sons' sins; he did not offer himself. But Jesus is the Lamb of God who gave his life for the sin of the world, John 1:29, John 10:11, Matthew 26:28.

Jesus is God the Son, NOT God the Father.
But God is a trinity; Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God.
 
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the triune Godhead is not the One True God

what you just espoused there is called "Modalism"

There is ONE God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Trinity =tri-unity; 1 in 3 and 3 in 1. The Father, the Son and the Spirit are all divine.

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