BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

FineLinen said:

Dear Zoidar the exact number "made sinners" = the exact number "made righteous".

Polus= polus: many= many: all=all

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Some believe that. I believe all/the many that are sinners in Adam (everybody) and all/the many that are righteous in Christ (believers).

Sad. Deceived on the weight of one false understanding.... (or many false understandings) ...
Sad in any case that anyone is deceived by the false values , the false teachings, the false results of universalism. It is death to the soul, not to repent of the false gospel.....

Skidder said:

What part of "Wrath of God abides on him" and "die in your sins" don't you understand"?

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Dear Skidder: while we wait for you to produce any individual who grasps the Restitution of ta pante and has failed to qualify as a trophy of the Lord's love and grace we shall pursue what I grasp.

The mass of mankind die in their sins, the mass of mankind are lost broken sinners. The mass of mankind shall be made righteous!

I Believe

I believe that Jesus is “able to subdue all things to himself.” -Phil. 3:21-

I believe that Jesus came “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are in earth in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His own will.” -Eph. 1:10,11-

I believe “the Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” -2 Peter 3:9-

I Believe

I believe “God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors as though God was making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: be reconciled to God.” -2 Cor. 5:19, 20-

I believe that “all nations shall be blessed.” -Gal. 3:8-

I believe that “the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” -John 6:33-

I believe that Jesus commanded us to be like himself: “Love your enemies, bless those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.” -Matt. 5:44,45

I believe Jesus when he said: “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw [Greek=draw, drag, impel] all mankind unto myself.”

I believe that “creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but by reason of Him who subjected it in hope, because creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.” -Romans 8:20,21-

Totally contradictory even to itself - the lies of universalism, all and one opposed to all Scripture and
INSTEAD OF JESUS - instead of the one true gospel once for all delivered,
a false gospel to lead multitudes astray (so, it may be popular, as many false teachers are... just as written in Scripture , and it is deadly to the soul,
just as warned clearly about by Jesus) ...

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Totally contradictory even to itself - the lies of universalism, all and one opposed to all Scripture and
INSTEAD OF JESUS - instead of the one true gospel once for all delivered,
a false gospel to lead multitudes astray (so, it may be popular, as many false teachers are... just as written in Scripture , and it is deadly to the soul,
just as warned clearly about by Jesus) ...

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It's a dangerous teaching, very appealing to the flesh.

zoidar said:

It's a dangerous teaching, very appealing to the flesh.

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"ears" in particular... (tickled ears)
and yes hearts to - hearts of the flesh, still unredeemed perhaps, or just still hanging on to the carnal hopes... contrary to all Scripture, opposed to Jesus, not listening to Him, the Shepherd!

zoidar said:

Some believe that. I believe all/the many that are sinners in Adam (everybody) and all/the many that are righteous in Christ (believers).

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Dear Zoidar: You are free to believe as you desire.

Question: when did you choose to be in Adam?

My advice for what little it is worth= head back to equations class as fast as you can go (LOL).

The exact number "made sinners" = the exact number "made righteous".

Polus= polus: many= many: all=all

Those who are still unrighteous are tossed in the lake of fire destroying body and soul. Not 'refining' them, as Jesus says they are destroyed, not capable anywhere, anyway, of being saved nor refined....

Re-defining Yahuweh's Meaning, Use and Purpose in even one word "ALL" is sinful, and is POPULAR IN ENGLISH (and other languages?) to suit the false gospel, and leads to destruction.

zoidar said:

It's a dangerous teaching, very appealing to the flesh.

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Dear Saint Paul: Please be advised you are teaching what Zoidar says is "dangerous" and "appealing to the flesh".

"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Wherein he has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an "inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will."

FineLinen said:

Dear Zoidar: You are free to believe as you desire. My advice for what little it is worth= head back to equations class as fast as you can go LOL

The exact number "made sinners" = the exact number "made righteous".

Polus= polus: many= many: all=all

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Where does it say it's the exact numbers? Paul's point is that it's by the same means. We become sinners through Adam's disobedience as we become righteous through Christ's obedience.

Rom 5:17
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

zoidar said:

Where does it say it's the exact numbers?

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Not in Scripture. It is part of the devious false teaching from linene.

zoidar said:

Where does it say it's the exact numbers? Paul's point is that it's by the same means. We become sinners through Adam's disobedience as we become righteous through Christ's obedience.

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Dear Zoidar: Every last rotten sinner did not choose to be in Adam. Every last rotten sinner does not choose to be in Christ. You however are correct, we became sinners through Adam's disobedience, we become righteous through Christ's obedience. PERIOD

Except those who CHOOSE TO REJECT JESUS. They are condemned for their unbelief already.

Those outside the Ekklesia, Yahuweh judges (RIGHTLY, Righteously, Perfectly with Justice and no iniquity, as His Word Says).... if destined for destruction, that is where they go, unless they each also repent (before they die, as written, as necessary).

FineLinen said:

Dear Zoidar: Every last rotten sinner did not choose to be in Adam. Every last rotten sinner does not choose to be in Christ. You however are correct, we became sinners through Adam's disobedience, we become righteous through Christ's obedience. PERIOD

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I have done my best to be of help. I'll remember you in prayer.

Christ love,
P

zoidar said:

I have done my best to be of help. I'll remember you in prayer.

Christ love,
P

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Dear Zoidar: I greatly appreciate you remembering me in prayer.

"Stoop down and reach out to those who are oppressed. Share their burdens, and so complete Christ’s law." -The Message-

Bear one another's burdens & so fulfill the law of Christ

zoidar said:

Maybe, how do you evangelize "knowing" everyone will be saved?

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OK, so the thing with preaching is, that only God's elect will hear. Those who are not God's elect, cannot hear and cannot see. God's elect are saved now, and they are his first fruits.
The rest of humanity will be saved through the lake of fire. They are the rest of the harvest. The truth is not being revealed to them at this time.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

"ears" in particular... (tickled ears)
and yes hearts to - hearts of the flesh, still unredeemed perhaps, or just still hanging on to the carnal hopes... contrary to all Scripture, opposed to Jesus, not listening to Him, the Shepherd!

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How about the appeal to human-level ideas of revenge, vengeance, punitive punishment, eye-for-an-eye, getting even? Does your God-is-going-to-toss-all-those-not-as-good-as-you-into-Hell belief not tickle your ears and appear to your carnal pride?

Jeff, have you prayed for us poor UR-ists even once?

It has nothing to do with who is better or worse than anyone else.

martymonster said:

The rest of humanity will be saved through the lake of fire.

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This is still the false teaching of the false gospel of u.r., and others.