Historist View is the Only View

Ken Rank said:

I won't wait for Keras..... I have to get to work. Israel divided into two nations.... Judah to the south, Israel to the north. Israel after 200 years of idolatry and ignored warnings by prophets, were taken into Assyria as punishment. They never returned. Rather than cry out to God and repent, they instead accepted the pagan gods around them and assimilated into their culture. When the youngest were the eldest, nobody remembered God any more.

Judah, the southern Kingdom, pretty much remained in God's graces but they, too, fell away. Taken into Babylon as punishment, they did not assimilate and ultimately were released and allowed to go home. We can trace their history perfectly... they are the Jewish people.

So we have the Jewish people and a second ground that the bible does not call Jewish, that became known to those that were not taken into Assyria as "the lost sheep of the House of Israel." 2000+ years ago, Yeshua began a call into the nations to turn these people back to the God of Israel and one day they would be reunited with Judah, never again to be divided. When they reunite, they will (according to Hosea) appoint for themselves a head, a king... and that will be Yeshua as there has not been a king over a united Israel since Solomon.

Thus, the most repeated prophecy in Scripture is the reuniting of both
Kingdoms... it is literally in almost every OT book.

The people we see returning to the land are not the northern Kingdom. Why? Because these are Torah keeping tribes and peoples from various nations who have been following the Torah (God's instructions) all along. The Northern Kingdom has NOT been following God.... they gave Him up for idols, they ceased to retain Him in their minds... and this is how we know (in part) that those returning to the land from obscure places are NOT what we are looking for. I believe... and this is just my personal belief... that the Northern Kingdom is found in church pews. Descendants and non-descendants who have come to Yeshua in faith having heard the call from the Shepherd. Sheep coming back to their Master.

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Jonathan Walkerin said:

Talking about that.....year 2019 is coming to an end.

Didn`t you predict great happenings , peace plan in the Middle East going through and the like ?

Seems even more improbable now that us is sayin Israel`s illegal settlements are ok for this administration.

New timetables available ?

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keras said:

I do use the whole Bible in a proper understanding of the end time events.
The two Houses of Israel and Judah are very important in knowing God's Plan for His people. I have written many articles on these things. Free at logostelos.info


B.H. your careful calculations have no use or value, as a year is simply one orbit of the earth around the sun. No more, no less.

Belief that all the prophecies have been fulfilled, is preterism.
Do you believe that Jesus will Return? If so then your preterism is just partial and is therefore allowed here.
But the idea of any past fulfilment, excepting the obvious ones about Jesus first Advent, etc, simply doesn't relate to the historical record. You have to make them out to be allegorical or spiritualize them.
This is hard to do when we see the very plain descriptions of things like the sun darkened, the moon blood red, the short time rule of the Anti-Christ, etc.

The clearly stated fact is: we do have a future, we who love the Lord, will have His blessings and eventually receive immortality. John 3:16

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Dorothy Mae said:

I assume that you view your position as "proper" and anyone who disagrees does not have a "proper" understanding. That does not sound good as far as discussion goes. I actually think I have a proper understanding and Jesus is not coming back soon. This, of course, can be tested in time. If he is not here in the next 30 years, say, I really did have a proper understanding.

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keras said:

'Proper' exegesis of the prophesies is complying with the Prophetic Word.
I trust you have noted that I support my beliefs with many scriptural references.
Please advise me of any scripture I have posted, that isn't used 'properly'.

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Dorothy Mae said:

Keras

If proper understanding depends upon proper exegesis, do all who read the texts and do proper exegesis think the same on the same text? Seems like “proper” is not a relative or personal understanding.

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keras said:

Just sheer population pressure ensures that a dramatic flare up must happen there soon.

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keras said:

This will not be a war, not a nuke exchange, but the Lord's wrath by fire from the sun. Ezekiel 7:14 A sudden blast of EMP that will destroy all electrical systems, then the strike of superheated hydrogen plasma that will burn up His enemies. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 1:18, Matthew 3:12,

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Douggg said:

Benjamin, to become the Antichrist, a person has to be a Jew and his religion judaism. No pope nor papacy qualifies.

The function of the Christ is to be the King of Israel, son of David, to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.

Mark 15:32 Christ the King of Israel
John 12:12-15 the King of Israel

Anti - meaning instead of and/or against. Jesus is the rightful King of Israel. The Antichrist will the another coming in his own name that the Jews will accept to become that King of Israel - for a while, until he reveals himself to be the man of sin.

As soon as a person starts changing days in Revelation to mean years, they have taken a wrong path.

A generation in the parable of the fig tree, would not span 1260 years. A generation according to Psalms 90 is 70 years or if by strength 80 years. The lifetime of that generation is the boundary which the 1260 days, the 1290 days, the 1335 days, the 3 1/2 days have to fall.

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Dave L said:

Hi Doug, Where do you get "Jewish Antichrist" from? Simple explanation preferred.

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keras said:

No; because many come to the prophesies with preconceived notions and ideas about what they want God to do for them.
Isaiah 29:9-12 tells us those people will not be able to understand until after the events have happened.

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keras said:

I fully agree with this.
When I read your post #18, my reply was exactly as Ben H says; the Restoration of Israel. That is; the true Israel of God, His faithful people from every race, nation and language. But who mainly comprise of those people who are descended from the ten Northern Tribes.
Many prophesies tell of how we Christians will gather in and live in all that area given to Abraham 3000+ years ago. No other 'prophecy expert' that I know of promotes this.
We will join with the few Jews who have become Christian now, Jeremiah 50:4-5 Also note; Ezekiel 16:59-63

Yes; we will elect a leader as Hosea 1:11 and Jeremiah 30:21 say.
But as all this will happen before Jesus Returns, that leader will be one of us, as described in Ezekiel 46:12-18. Jesus will be King of all the world when He comes.

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keras said:

I fully agree with this.
When I read your post #18, my reply was exactly as Ben H says; the Restoration of Israel. That is; the true Israel of God, His faithful people from every race, nation and language. But who mainly comprise of those people who are descended from the ten Northern Tribes.
Many prophesies tell of how we Christians will gather in and live in all that area given to Abraham 3000+ years ago. No other 'prophecy expert' that I know of promotes this.
We will join with the few Jews who have become Christian now, Jeremiah 50:4-5 Also note; Ezekiel 16:59-63

Yes; we will elect a leader as Hosea 1:11 and Jeremiah 30:21 say.
But as all this will happen before Jesus Returns, that leader will be one of us, as described in Ezekiel 46:12-18. Jesus will be King of all the world when He comes.

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Douggg said:

The theory you have as a solar flare being a simultaneous destruction of those nations and cities at one event is not reasonable, because those nations are too tightly packed for a solar flare to only affect them, and not Israel, nor the rest of the cities and world.

Also you have mis-timed the sixth seal event to take place prior to or at the beginning of the seven years instead of near the end of the seven years.

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Dorothy Mae said:

Is he coming in an aggressive hostile invasion and tyranny? Btw, The Jews had the Kingdom of God taken away from them because if their behavior.

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Benjamin Holliday said:

Hello everyone!

My name is Benjamin Holliday and I am an avid believer in the historical to present view of Daniel and Revelation. I believe the futurist view will simply never happen and many Christians are being mislead by such teachings. I also believe the Seventh Day Adventists are wrong in many ways on their views.

I invite any discussion or debate on the End Times provided people stay polite to those with different End Time views. I am willing to answer any questions people may have about them.

If during the course of the following discussions/debates you want to learn more about what I have to say I do have a book available on Amazon Kindle called The Revealing of Daniel and Revelation: A Detailed Study of the End Times. I am not here to promote my book, but to help others learn about the End Times free of charge.

Let me begin by saying I believe the historical view of Daniel and Revelation because the 70 weeks prophecy that proves Jesus is the Messiah uses the prophetic day to idealistic lunar year ratio from Ezekiel 4 and proves the days in Daniel are to be taken as based on a 360 day per year ratio, and since the 4th beast of Daniel is what Revelation is about, the 42 month/1260 day prophecy is actually 1241.889117 solar years long.

Anyone have any thoughts or questions on that? I will answer questions the best I can in a timely manner.

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PROPHECYKID said:

If it is a day for a year then how does 1260 days equal 1241.889117 years?

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keras said:

It doesn't.
Making the 1260 days of Revelation to mean years, is just foolishness.

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