Does Jesus NOT know the day of his future second coming????

Erik Nelson said:

good thinking, but Jesus said that the Son doesn't know

if Jesus is still the same Son, he still doesn't know?

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It's been a while since Jesus made that statement.

He's been some places and done some things since then.

But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. -- Acts 7

So why wouldn't He know now?

RDKirk said:

It's been a while since Jesus made that statement.

He's been some places and done some things since then.

But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. -- Acts 7

So why wouldn't He know now?

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he would if the Father informed him

from Scripture alone, we aren't told that, correct?

DennisTate said:

But that Kevin Zadai guy had a near death experience and he taught me to believe what the Word of God says about this...... because until I heard what he said I really had not thought this through hardly at all.

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It would have been better if you did not get misled.
No. He did have a nde perhaps, perhaps not, but he deceived you with it, not taught you the truth. He did not show you nor teach you what the Word of God says about this,
rather a deceitful thing wittingly(knowingly) or not...
he or others led you into error, great error repeated or identified apparently in some of your posts over the last year(s) (I haven't kept track, nor tried to) .

Whether Jesus now knows or not is rather immaterial to us isn't it ? Because we still don't know. He gave us some signs to look for that the time nears, that man then takes and puts his own spin on. So, we don't know even if Jesus now does know. Best thing: expect Him and preach Him. We should have prepared hearts.

Erik Nelson said:

good thinking, but Jesus said that the Son doesn't know

if Jesus is still the same Son, he still doesn't know?

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When he was on earth he was fully God AND fully human. He also "emptied himself", Philippians 2:6-7. As a man, there were some things he did not know and some things he could not do.
He is not a finite, human being now.

Erik Nelson said:

he would if the Father informed him

from Scripture alone, we aren't told that, correct?

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True, we are not explicitly told that He knows that particular fact now.

And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. -- Matthew 28

OTOH, it's not a stretch to suppose God's "right hand," in Whom all authority in heaven and on earth has been vested, has been apprised of the operational plan.

But as Dave G. has correctly said, whether Jesus knows now is irrelevant to us.

We don't need to know what Jesus knows to carry out the mission Jesus left us.

The Lord answered, "Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. -- Luke 12

Erik Nelson said:

recite me the very first line, for starters?

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There are several. Do you believe in the Trinity?

Dave L said:

There are several. Do you believe in the Trinity?

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still waiting for the opening line of the Nicene creed...

Erik Nelson said:

still waiting for the opening line of the Nicene creed...

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Do you believe in the Trinity?

Strong in Him said:

When he was on earth he was fully God AND fully human. He also "emptied himself", Philippians 2:6-7. As a man, there were some things he did not know and some things he could not do.
He is not a finite, human being now.

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the Word of God incarnate was fully divine by nature, yes

but the Son was not Father, John 1:18

Dave L said:

Do you believe in the Trinity?

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you first?

give me line one of the Nicene creed, please

you are aware of what it says, yes?

and you could also try John 1:18

this boils down to, "the Son is not the Father", which you acknowledge?

Erik Nelson said:

you first?

give me line one of the Nicene creed, please

you are aware of what it says, yes?

and you could also try John 1:18

this boils down to, "the Son is not the Father", which you acknowledge?

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Jesus was sent by his Father. He was not greater than his Father. He spoke words from his Father. It is in the Gospel of John.

He spoke about no one knowing the hour of his return except his Father. That was roughly 2000 yrs ago. Who could say what he knows now? Surely he did not know he would be returning soon. Over 1900 years have passed.

We have seen knowledge increasing.
Daniel 12:4

dqhall said:

Jesus was sent by his Father. He was not greater than his Father. He spoke words from his Father. It is in the Gospel of John.

He spoke about no one knowing the hour of his return except his Father. That was roughly 2000 yrs ago. Who could say what he knows now? Surely he did not know he would be returning soon. Over 1900 years have passed.

We have seen knowledge increasing.
Daniel 12:4

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yes, there is a Trinity, a Triune Godhead, fully transcendent, existing beyond our created space & time

but, in modern 21st century English, only the Father is "God", one God, as the Creeds say

God Himself has never directly entered creation, John 1:18

instead God "reaches into" our fabric of space time with His "two hands " (quoting Irenaeus) of His Word and His Spirit

God generates His Word (by begetting) and His Spirit (by spiration)

I'm not sure Divine revelation has expressly defined what exact mystery is meant by those terms

but only the Father is completely uncaused, the root first prime cause of philosophy and the Kalam argument

but the entire Godhead, of the one God plus His two hands, is fully divine, godlike, transcendent, existing in "hyperspace beyond our fabric of space time" if you would

the entire Godhead is a league of its own, uncreated, unmade, already existing even "before" Genesis 1:1, whereas even the angels are created beings arising after that verse

Jesus Christ, the Son, as God's own Word incarnate, was God's own "right hand" in history, the most powerful and direct manifestation of the Father ever on earth, certainly in history

(maybe some kind of exception for Genesis 1 where everything that was made was created, John 1:3 ?? )

Erik Nelson said:

good thinking, but Jesus said that the Son doesn't know

if Jesus is still the same Son, he still doesn't know?

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The Son has all power in Heaven and in Earth.He is God. God knows all. Or are you one who denies that the Son is God?

Handmaid for Jesus said:

The Son has all power in Heaven and in Earth.He is God. God knows all. Or are you one who denies that the Son is God?

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not what Scripture says

Matthew 28:18

all authority in creation was granted to the Son by the Father

the Son has nothing and can do nothing by himself, John 5:19

God's Word is fully godlike and divine by nature

but the Son is not the Father

Genesis 1:26, genesis 11:7, psalms 110:1, God the Father was muttering to Himself?

Does Jesus NOT know the day of his future second coming????

A: As true God … Yes he does.
B: A true man … he choose not to.

Erik Nelson said:

not what Scripture says

Matthew 28:18

all authority in creation was granted to the Son by the Father

the Son has nothing and can do nothing by himself, John 5:19

God's Word is fully godlike and divine by nature

but the Son is not the Father

Genesis 1:26, genesis 11:7, psalms 110:1, God the Father was muttering to Himself?

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I just have one yes or no question for you.
Is Jesus Christ God?

Erik Nelson said:

the Word of God incarnate was fully divine by nature, yes

but the Son was not Father, John 1:18

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I didn't say he was.

Erik Nelson said:

yes, there is a Trinity, a Triune Godhead, fully transcendent, existing beyond our created space & time

but, in modern 21st century English, only the Father is "God", one God, as the Creeds say

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One God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Matthew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)

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Erik Nelson said:

God Himself has never directly entered creation, John 1:18

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So you don't believe that Jesus was God??

DennisTate said:

But that Kevin Zadai guy had a near death experience and he taught me to believe what the Word of God says about this...... because until I heard what he said I really had not thought this through hardly at all.

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I knew Kevin years ago