Does Jesus NOT know the day of his future second coming????

timothyu · Nov 20, 2019

I find the lightning more interesting. (we used to 'rap' about all those predictions back in the 60's and a lot of his are hindsight. No offence). We are computers and a surge could 'unlock' services we didn't know we had. Perhaps God shut them down when we left the garden so we could no longer reach our full abilities as a precautionary measure now that we had stolen the knowledge of good and evil.. We are destructive enough to each other let alone whatever else is there we can't see.

And sticking with the OP Jesus could have had a lot of those shut down also( but perhaps a few extra channels open

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com7fy8 · Nov 20, 2019

DennisTate said:
Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????

Mark 13:32 includes "nor the Son".

My opinion is that God is all-knowing, as a whole. But where He is doing certain things, He specializes in what He knows, at different locations.

As the Person of the Father, He knows what is specialized for being and acting as the Father. As Jesus, He specializes what He knows, for doing what Jesus does. And the Holy Spirit can consciously experience what is suited for what the Holy Spirit is doing, at any location.

And what is needed for loving is the main knowing which concerns God. He might not need to be blessing a woman to give birth and at the same place and moment know and consciously be thinking about how many atoms are in a star a billion light years from earth.

So, it can maybe be a little like the Internet where there is so much knowledge. Not every website has all Internet knowledge, but the Internet on the whole does.

And what matters is we grow in love which has the knowledge which God desires to share with us >

"And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." (Philippians 1:9)

Love has the knowledge that really matters, where and when needed.

PaulCyp1 · Nov 20, 2019

To understand anything Jesus said, we first have to ask whether He is speaking as a human being, which He was, or as God, which He also was. There are many examples of each in the Bible. In this case He was obviously speaking as a man.

ewq1938 · Nov 20, 2019

DennisTate said:
Matthew 24

Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????

It did at the time but after the ascension Jesus definitely knew th day he was returning and even brought John to that day to be an eye witness of it. When the GT starts, we know the beast has only 42 month then Christ returns so we know the day by that as long as the start of the Gt is correctly known. Then much later, the two prophets are killed. That's 3.5 days before the second coming so Christian will know the day of the return. Then when the two prophets come back to life and rise into heaven, Christians will know that is the same day and even hour of the second coming.

timothyu · Nov 20, 2019

PaulCyp1 said:
To understand anything Jesus said, we first have to ask whether He is speaking as a human being, which He was, or as God, which He also was. There are many examples of each in the Bible. In this case He was obviously speaking as a man.

Interesting how mankind as a whole can always make anything fit the mold they want.

joshua 1 9 · Nov 20, 2019

DennisTate said:
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????

The day and the hour is the exact moment in time. The argument has been made for a long time that all of the events in Jesus life follows the Jewish calendar. WE know that He died right before Passover. He was resurrected on the beginning of the third day. 50 days later was Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was given and the Church age began. We know the Church age is 2,000 years and a very popular belief is that the tribulation period is 7 years. He gives a very exact and precise time: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days:" (Matthew24:29)

The feast of trumpets is celebrated on the 15th day of the seventh month, Tishrei. Every indication is we are talking about Jerusalem and the year 2036. We are told: "He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." Notice He gathers His elect from HEAVEN. We are told He is coming with His "Holy ones" - "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones" (Jude 1:14) This is not the rapture where we go to be with Him. This is when He actually returns to the Earth to rule and reign for 1,000 years and we will return with Him because we rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. Then there will be a new Heavens and a new Earth.

So the only variable here is: when is the 15 day of the seventh month of Tishrei? Right now we actually do not know for sure what year Jesus was born and what year He was crucified. We can figure it out but there has been a question about that and it is a mystery that needs to be figured out. We are told: "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea." (Luke 21:25) There is talk that maybe Apophis is the comet that the Bible is talking about. This would give us a confirmation that all of our other dates are correct. When Jesus was born and what year He was crucified and when the Church age or the age of Grace began.

timothyu · Nov 20, 2019

Jesus says no one but the Father knows and man pulls a Garden and thinks they can figure God out. lol Nothing changes.

Paulus59 · Nov 20, 2019

Copy & pasted from GotQuestion.org

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Question: "If Jesus is God, why did He not know when He would return?"

Answer: Speaking of Jesus' Second Coming, Matthew 24:36 (and Mark 13:32) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

When Jesus spoke these words to the disciples, even He had no knowledge of the date and time of His return. Although Jesus was fully God (John 1:1, 14), when He became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes (Philippians 2:6–8). He did not manifest them unless directed by the Father (John 4:34; 5:30; 6:38). He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25; 3:13), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity (John 15:15). Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return. After He was resurrected, Jesus resumed His full divine knowledge (cf. Matthew 28:18; Acts 1:7).

Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28-29; 10:30; 12:49; 14:28, 31; and Matthew 26:39, 42 demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see Philippians 2:5-11). Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

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Jonaitis · Nov 20, 2019

Jesus knows all things as God, but knows some things as man, we must keep that in mind.

timothyu · Nov 20, 2019

Jonaitis said:
Jesus knows all things as God, but knows some things as man, we must keep that in mind.

Is there scripture for that?

Jonaitis · Nov 20, 2019

timothyu said:
Is there scripture for that?

"And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and man."

- Luke 2:52

Even Jesus, in his flesh, learned and was ignorant of many things.

timothyu · Nov 21, 2019

And in combination with the other half? Or is that just doctrine. Does each aspect of God have to be equal?

Original Happy Camper · Nov 21, 2019

DennisTate said:
Here is another translation of that same scripture that is even more clear:

That is the English Standard Version.

36 “But concerning that day and hour gno one knows, not even the angels of heaven, hnor the Son,2 ibut the Father only.

Matthew 24:36 ESV - “But concerning that day… | Biblia

Since the Garden of Eden, when Satan said to Eve, “Did God really say?”,
Satan has been corrupting the words of God to deceive us.

Every time God has given us His written Word, Satan has countered by creating a similar corrupt text to deceive people. Knowing that he can’t eliminate God’s Word, Satan created a deceptive path that has led to our modern Bible versions.

The Two Paths Of New Testament Manuscripts

Dave L · Nov 21, 2019

DennisTate said:
Matthew 24

Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????

This is stated and elaborated on after the seventeen minute mark in this video and this really hit me!!!

Jesus IS God and knows everything. But he did not reveal it to his soul (mind) as the incarnate Son of God.

Strong in Him · Nov 21, 2019

DennisTate said:
Matthew 24

Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????

As a human, and at the time he said it; yes.
As the risen Lord, God the Son who is one with the Father, I'm sure he knows it now.

Erik Nelson · Nov 21, 2019

Handmaid for Jesus said:
I think Jesus did not know at the time He said no man knows, but, I believe He knows now.

good thinking, but Jesus said that the Son doesn't know

if Jesus is still the same Son, he still doesn't know?

pdudgeon said:
it is correct.
When He was on Earth, Jesus, knowing that He was the Son of God, the long awaited Messiah, chooses to trust God, and demonstrate His submission to The Father.

Think of it! Going through everything He did, deliberately walking into Jerusalem, deliberately surrendering to the Roman guard, and submitting to being lashed and beaten.

The Son of God who could at any time have called on a legion of angels to save Himself, did not.

as he could have in the Wilderness

Der Alter said:
Jesus did not know the day and hour during His earthly walk because of Philp 2:6-11 but He does now.

Php 2:6-11
(6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
(8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
(10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
(11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Jesus' earthly ministry happened between vs. 8 and 9.

good thinking

= Matthew 28:18, granted all authority in creation, heaven and earth...

but even the heavenly angels don't know the schedule

nothing in creation has that authority

authority is not the same as knowledge?

Erik Nelson · Nov 21, 2019

Dave L said:
Jesus IS God and knows everything. But he did not reveal it to his soul (mind) as the incarnate Son of God.

Jesus is not the Father, John 1:18

Jesus is the Father's Word incarnate

somethings only the Father His Own Direct Self knows

Dave L · Nov 21, 2019

Erik Nelson said:
Jesus is not the Father, John 1:18

Jesus is the Father's Word incarnate

somethings only the Father His Own Direct Self knows

Do you believe in the Trinity as set forth in the Ecumenical Creeds?

Erik Nelson · Nov 21, 2019

com7fy8 said:
Mark 13:32 includes "nor the Son".

My opinion is that God is all-knowing, as a whole. But where He is doing certain things, He specializes in what He knows, at different locations.

As the Person of the Father, He knows what is specialized for being and acting as the Father. As Jesus, He specializes what He knows, for doing what Jesus does. And the Holy Spirit can consciously experience what is suited for what the Holy Spirit is doing, at any location.

And what is needed for loving is the main knowing which concerns God. He might not need to be blessing a woman to give birth and at the same place and moment know and consciously be thinking about how many atoms are in a star a billion light years from earth.

So, it can maybe be a little like the Internet where there is so much knowledge. Not every website has all Internet knowledge, but the Internet on the whole does.

And what matters is we grow in love which has the knowledge which God desires to share with us >

"And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." (Philippians 1:9)

Love has the knowledge that really matters, where and when needed.

https://www.theopedia.com/modalism

Erik Nelson · Nov 21, 2019

Dave L said:
Do you believe in the Trinity as set forth in the Ecumenical Creeds?

recite me the very first line, for starters?

Does Jesus NOT know the day of his future second coming????

Does even Jesus NOT know exactly when he will return to the earth?

No... Jesus knows everything.

Yes... that is what Jesus clearly said!

What??????? That sounds really strange to me!

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