Why do Christians support Donald Trump?

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Why does Yahuweh command His children , or direct/ instruct all of Jesus' permanent disciples, to submit to the authorities ?
Does submit MEAN support ? Or simply obey as much as is possible and keep the peace?
Is not one command "to be at peace"/ "to live at peace"/ as much as possible ,
not to stir up arguments and factions and fightings and quarrels from emotions and feelings (which are notoriously deceptive and contrary to God's Word ) ?
 
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In 538 BCE King Cyrus made a public declaration granting the Jews the right to return to Judah and rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. Does Cyrus's other actions cancel this out?
I was wondering , so I peeked:
Cyrus the Great
Cyrus II of Persia, commonly known as Cyrus the Great, and also called Cyrus the Elder by the Greeks, was the founder of the Achaemenid Empire, the first Persian Empire. Under his rule, the empire embraced all the previous civilized states of the ancient Near East, expanded vastly and eventually conquered most of Western Asia and much of Central Asia.Wikipedia


In the same way, I think you were leading to, the president , current or any, is and can be used by Yahuweh for Yahuweh's people/ Yahuweh's Purpose and Plan , right ?
 
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I was wondering , so I peeked:
Cyrus the Great
Cyrus II of Persia, commonly known as Cyrus the Great, and also called Cyrus the Elder by the Greeks, was the founder of the Achaemenid Empire, the first Persian Empire. Under his rule, the empire embraced all the previous civilized states of the ancient Near East, expanded vastly and eventually conquered most of Western Asia and much of Central Asia.Wikipedia


In the same way, I think you were leading to, the president , current or any, is and can be used by Yahuweh for Yahuweh's people/ Yahuweh's Purpose and Plan , right ?

Exactly! He did good by God's people, and was recognized for it even though Cyrus didn't know God.

Isaiah 45:4-5
“And why have I called you for this work? Why did I call you by name when you did not know me? It is for the sake of Jacob my servant, Israel my chosen one. I am the LORD; there is no other God. I have equipped you for battle, though you don’t even know me."
 
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I approve of Trump because he seems willing to back a Christian position on abortion and culture. More so than any other US politician. In that regard he's useful to Christian interests and is therefore better than any democratic candidate who seem to only want to punish Christians and enact an anti-Christian agenda, be that on LGBT, abortion or any other issue you can think of.

Christians should not be above supporting and doing what is politically useful within reason. Christians supported Constantine despite his moral failings. The Pope's crowned and baptized Frankish/Germanic pagans as Emperors to spread the faith. The alignment of the politically powerful with Christianity in some sense has allowed for Christianity to flourish for most of history.

You say Trump's presidency is a disaster. That a liberal should say this to me means his presidency has been successful. Of course he hasn't been perfect but he is better than what Hilary would have been. She would have been relentless in her goal to dismantle all Christian influence in america. Something most liberal Christians approve of.
 
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I approve of Trump because he seems willing to back a Christian position on abortion and culture. More so than any other US politician. In that regard he's useful to Christian interests and is therefore better than any democratic candidate who seem to only want to punish Christians and enact an anti-Christian agenda, be that on LGBT, abortion or any other issue you can think of.

Christians should not be above supporting and doing what is politically useful within reason. Christians supported Constantine despite his moral failings. The Pope's crowned and baptized Frankish/Germanic pagans as Emperors to spread the faith. The alignment of the politically powerful with Christianity in some sense has allowed for Christianity to flourish for most of history.

You say Trump's presidency is a disaster. That a liberal should say this to me means his presidency has been successful. Of course he hasn't been perfect but he is better than what Hilary would have been. She would have been relentless in her goal to dismantle all Christian influence in america. Something most liberal Christians approve of.

Well said! I've often tried explaining all this before, but never this well.
 
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He is publicly uncivilized.

Has been quoted by the media as saying inappropriate things.

He is a threat to national security and to US diplomacy.

And in the last election, I wrote in a name that was on the ballot for President. I could not, for the first time, vote for any of the candidates for President. President Trump is not a good President. He is not fit for the job.

I have zero political affiliation.
 
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The context is the same. I don't like any of Donald Trump's stated policies so to me he is both a bad man and a bad politician.


God made the nation, why?

To say that above about policy of non globalism policy which puts your nation under UN rule/and or International law. A thing forgotten about (as designed to do by letting a law just sit on the books not used until things fall in line), is that international law to hold a nation hostage under said law as the U.S. (our tax) paid for breaking said international law to later... Break us in international court in fines and damages. Paris Accord is deeper than just warming .

Due to time constraints , I will be back , God willing , to further expound on what you are asking for in not building your nation (Trumps policies stated MAGA) as God created the nation for a reason. Be well ... In hopes we all learn a thing or two in this thread... Me Too.
 
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In 2016 many voters did not support either candidate and voted for Donald Trump just to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House. When I asked people why they like Trump, that was the most common reason they gave me.

Three years later we have seen the disaster Trump's administration has been from January 20, 2017 to now. If you like Trump, what are your reasons for this at face value? My confusion is I read about him and see a man who does not know how to lead a nation, but instead only cares about money (which God hates) and absolute power (which only God has) from my POV.

Please avoid discussing the "He is not a Democrat" and "I hate Hillary Clinton" arguments. This question is strictly about Trump, not the entire Republican Party platform.

I like his policies..

I LOVE that he got us out of the Paris Climate accord and TPP, TPA and the TAA (These last three most especially) I believe in our governments sovereignty most strongly.

I believe the reworking of NAFTA to be a benefit to us, Mexico and Canada... we will see those benefits for years to come. I like also that Mexico is more committed to helping with the border issues (see illegal immigration), rather than us trying to do it all ourselves.

I like the fact he's working to walk back some regulations, as American companies are drowning in an over regulatory environment. (unlimited administration isn't something I find positive)

I feel an America first policy is important. What doesn't benefit us as a nation shouldn't be taking our tax dollars, we have very real infrastructure needs to be met.

In short, I don't believe in a 1 world government, I believe those closest to us culturally and closest to us physically are best able to govern us.. a fact I also believe about foreign governments as well. Let them govern themselves. A handful of people half a world away have no business telling my (or any) government what to do ..

I feel the policies Trump supports are best for us as a nation, minorities included, as evidenced by the African-American communities seeing their lowest unemployment rates in decades and more..

In short, I don't have to like the man - but I dearly love these policies and many many more that he also supports.

So I will vote for him, even if he's impeached and not on the ballot. He'd the best thing to happen to us in decades.

As for the trying last few years, we can all thank a democrat who doesn't believe in national sovereignty and is clawing at the last vestiges of world power as if its the sun, the moon and the stars to them.
 
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I like his policies..

I LOVE that he got us out of the Paris Climate accord and TPP, TPA and the TAA (These last three most especially) I believe in our governments sovereignty most strongly.

I believe the reworking of NAFTA to be a benefit to us, Mexico and Canada... we will see those benefits for years to come. I like also that Mexico is more committed to helping with the border issues (see illegal immigration), rather than us trying to do it all ourselves.

I like the fact he's working to walk back some regulations, as American companies are drowning in an over regulatory environment. (unlimited administration isn't something I find positive)

I feel an America first policy is important. What doesn't benefit us as a nation shouldn't be taking our tax dollars, we have very real infrastructure needs to be met.

In short, I don't believe in a 1 world government, I believe those closest to us culturally and closest to us physically are best able to govern us.. a fact I also believe about foreign governments as well. Let them govern themselves. A handful of people half a world away have no business telling my (or any) government what to do ..

I feel the policies Trump supports are best for us as a nation, minorities included, as evidenced by the African-American communities seeing their lowest unemployment rates in decades and more..

In short, I don't have to like the man - but I dearly love these policies and many many more that he also supports.

So I will vote for him, even if he's impeached and not on the ballot. He'd the best thing to happen to us in decades.

As for the trying last few years, we can all thank a democrat who doesn't believe in national sovereignty and is clawing at the last vestiges of world power as if its the sun, the moon and the stars to them.
A very solid response. To me it seems others are willing to give their country away simply because they don't agree with how the current President might say some words and express them.
 
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I never even thought about the phrase "one world government." You vote for America first no matter who your preferred candidate is.

Wouldn't all Republicans share his policy ideas? You don't need to support Trump just because you like all of his policies. That is what I am trying to understand. If another Republican would do all of same things I see no reason to choose Trump over the other guy.
 
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If he is unqualified, why is he outperforming all his predecessors in actually making good on his election promises?
Qualified or not, he is obviously the right man for the job.

The above -- Well said.

On another note
just look at these impeachment hearing so far
yes, yet another reason to support President Trump.
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I never even thought about the phrase "one world government." You vote for America first no matter who your preferred candidate is.

Wouldn't all Republicans share his policy ideas? You don't need to support Trump just because you like all of his policies. That is what I am trying to understand. If another Republican would do all of same things I see no reason to choose Trump over the other guy.
But who said Trump supporters didn't support the other guy in the leadership conventions?
 
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But who said Trump supporters didn't support the other guy in the leadership conventions?


The other guy (namely Cruz) was running pro TPA, TAA, and TPT..

THAT was why I voted against him in the primary. He signed onto TPA.

Donald Trump was literally the only non-globalist candidate in the 2016 primary. Hence the flood of regular working American support for him..
 
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A very solid response. To me it seems others are willing to give their country away simply because they don't agree with how the current President might say some words and express them.


The current President is not in charge. He is a figurehead.
 
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Good for you Matt. Too many people voted for Donald Trump despite hating him as much as I do. I would never write in names of people who are not running for President, but have no problem with others doing that.

This hatred that you're clinging to is exactly what too many other democrats are using to get this president impeached. Let go of the hatred.
 
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This hatred that you're clinging to is exactly what too many other democrats are using to get this president impeached. Let go of the hatred.
Yes, so it appears - why? I asked if anything had gotten worse for her, or better, and she didn't say anything got worse, apparently just a motive of feelings ? I don't know ?
It appears the same in all the news - though nothing per se "got worse" than with any other president, and though things could have (likely ) been a lot worse with another one this time round, it looks like just emotions and feelings , without basis ...
 
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I never even thought about the phrase "one world government." You vote for America first no matter who your preferred candidate is.

Wouldn't all Republicans share his policy ideas? You don't need to support Trump just because you like all of his policies. That is what I am trying to understand. If another Republican would do all of same things I see no reason to choose Trump over the other guy.

It's possible that another Republican might do just that. But even when we've had others (since Reagan), they've usually only done certain things that conservatives want done, while ignoring others. Trump is the first one to really stand up and accomplish many of those previously ignored things. Of course, a new Republican candidate could follow his example and do the same thing; seeing that it's what people want. Then again, they may not. Best to stick with the proven one.
 
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Donald Trump was literally the only non-globalist candidate in the 2016 primary. Hence the flood of regular working American support for him..
I had not heard this before.

It would make sense , of course, for a lot of globalist issues/ supporters/ to cry wolf to try to change the scales in their favor, without ever revealing their true motives, eh?
 
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Yes, so it appears - why? I asked if anything had gotten worse for her, or better, and she didn't say anything got worse, apparently just a motive of feelings ? I don't know ?
It appears the same in all the news - though nothing per se "got worse" than with any other president, and though things could have (likely ) been a lot worse with another one this time round, it looks like just emotions and feelings , without basis ...

Even the improvement with the economy, even with the S&P, the Dow and the NASDAQ all hitting record highs, and even with record low unemployment, including among blacks which Trump is assumed to hate, he's still assumed to be someone who needs to be removed from office, or at least discredited enough by the impeachment circus that he wouldn't win in the next election (according to what someone recently told me here), which is further evidence that it's just a big political stunt meant to influence the next election results.
 
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