The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

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For precept must be upon precept, precept ..;
[here a little, and there a little]: (Isaiah 28:10-13

"Thy Kingdom come", A physical kingdom

The living Christ is coming as “King of kings
and Lord of lords” (Revelation 19:11-21),
to put down the rebellion of warring nations.
(Revelation 17:14), and establish God’s
world-ruling government over all nations.
(Daniel 2:44; 7:9, 13-14, 18, 22, 27; Isaiah 9:7)

He went away (to heaven) to be coronated,
and to return to Earth (Luke 19:12-27).
He will then be on the Earth—Zechariah 14:3-4,
1 Thessalonians 4:16 (Nahum 1:5)

“We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
which art, and wast, and art to come; because
thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and
hast reigned” (Revelation 11:17)

-The seventh angel sounds- The Kingdoms
of this current world are to become Christs.
(Revelation 11:15)

-The nations will be angry at His coming
(Revelation 11:15 with Revelation 11:18), and
the military forces will actually attempt to fight
to destroy Him! (Revelation 17:14).
-today’s cities will be mostly destroyed
(Ezekiel 6:6; Ezekiel 12:20)

-Will commit thy government into his hand, es-
tablished with judgement and justice.(Isaiah 22:21
-Of the increase of his government and peace
there shall be no end, upon the throne of David,
and upon his kingdom,...(Isaiah 9:7)

A vision of the Beginning of that rule and world
government “And I saw thrones, and they sat
upon them, and judgment was given unto them…
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand
years” (Revelation 20:4).(Isaiah 11:2-4)

And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another,..
(Matthew 25:32)
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Jesus said: “And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron…” (Revelation 2:26-27).

And again, “To him that overcometh will I
grant to sit with me in my throne [on this Earth]”
(Revelation 3:21; Luke 1:32-33). And, “…we
shall reign on the earth” (Revelation 5:10).

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my
Father hath appointed unto me;(Luke 22:29)
Some resurrected saints will rule over 10 cities,
some over five. The parables of the pounds
(Luke 19:11-27) and talents (Matthew 25:14-30)

-A nation will be born at once (Isaiah 66:8)
Saints shall take the kingdom, and possess
the kingdom for ever, (Daniel 7:18)
We shall inherit the earth. (Psalms 25:13-
22:26, 37:9, 22,29) not being flesh and blood.

-God chose Jerusalem (1 Kings 8:53) and
shall choose Jerusalem again (Zechariah 2:12)
-Christ, himself, will be ruling from
Jerusalem, King over all the earth.

-King David, will be king, under Moses, over
all twelve nations of Israel (Jeremiah 30:9;
Ezekiel 34:23-24; Ezekiel 37:24-25).

-The original twelve apostles will be king, under
David, over one of these nations Matthew 19:28

"It was round about eighteen thousand
measures: and the name of the city from that
day shall be, The Lord is there. (Ezekiel 48:35)

"At that time they shall call Jerusalem the
throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall
be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord,
to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any
more after the imagination of their evil heart.
(Jeremiah 3:17)

"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the
temple of my God, and he shall go no more out:

and I will write upon him the name of my God,
and the name of the city of my God, which is
new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of
heaven from my God: and I will write upon
him my new name. (Revelation 3:12)

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness,
and [all kings thy glory]: and thou shalt
be called by a new name, which the mouth
of the Lord shall name. (Isaiah 62:2)

-Jerusalem, the future headquarters
city of the Earth (Haggai 2:6-8).
-Land Beneath Sea Reclaimed, converted
to Jerusalem (Isaiah 60:5, Isaiah 11:15).
-Gods latter house shall be greater than
of the former (Haggai 2:9).Psalm 122:3

"And he shall set up an ensign for the nations,
and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel,
and gather together the dispersed of Judah
from the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:12

the Lord will have mercy on Jacob (Isaiah 14:1)
-Israel mine inheritance. (Isaiah 19:25),
(Psalms 79:1), (Job 31:2) (Psalms 127:3,
(1 Kings 8:51,53, (1 Kings 11:13,(Psalms 33:12)
(Psalms 74:2), (Deuteronomy 4:20,

Jacob is the lot of his inheritance-Deuteronomy 32:9, Israel is the rod of his inheritance-Jeremiah 10:16 ,Jeremiah 51:19-will take his inheritance in the sight of the heathen. Ezekiel 22:16


-Joel 3:10 will be reversed. “All nations .. shall
beat their swords into plowshares, and their
spears into pruninghooks ….” (Isaiah 2:2-4

-Desolate land shall be tilled - will be
like the garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:34-35)

-Repair the waste cities, the desolations
of many generations” (Isaiah 61:4).
-Build the waste cities-fresh produce-drink
there own wine-farming (Amos 9:14)

-Waste cities “filled with flocks of men”
being very social (Ezekiel 36:36-38)
-Superhighways between major cities
(Isaiah 19:23)

-Cities being crime-free , dwell safely-none
be made afraid (Ezekiel 34:28), (Micah 4:4)
-No more Violence, nor wasting,
nor destruction (Isaiah 60:18)

-Cities overflow with prosperity (Zechariah 1:17)
-Equitable property distribution, every man shall
own his vine and fig tree (Micah 4:4, Leviticus 25

-“Joy and gladness-thanksgiving-the voice
of melody. (Isaiah 51:3) (Jeremiah 33:10-11)
-Where old men and old women dwell -full
of boys and girls playing (Zechariah 8:4-5)

-No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous
beast shall go up. (Isaiah 35:9 )
-There will be Shepherds and local
animal husbandry (Jeremiah 33:12)

-Pure Water—Fertile Deserts where
trees grow (Isaiah 35) the Dead Sea’s
“waters shall be healed” Ezekiel 47
Fishermen will line the banks catching fish.

-No more hunger-He will raise up a plant
of renown for food. (Ezekiel 34:29)

-A new sharp threshing instrument -the
mountains made small (Isaiah 41:14-16)
-If any thrist and seek water, the God of
Israel will not forsake them. Isaiah 41:17-18

Trees planted and growing-consider and
understand that the Eternal hath done this,
and [the Holy One of Israel] hath created it” .
(Isaiah 41:19-20)

--All will speak the same language, a pure
language from God (Zephaniah 3:9).
God will also destroy the idols (Ezekiel 30:13
(Micah 5:10-15), (Zechariah 13:2)
no more worship the workof thine hands.

The [Eternal] is our lawgiver (Isaiah 33:21)
God’s law and the Word of the Eternal shall go
forth from Zion, spreading over the whole Earth
(Isaiah 2:3). God’s Holy Spirit shall flow out
from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:8).

“And many nations shall come(Isaiah 2:3,Micah 4:2
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy moun-
tain, the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the
Lord, as the waters cover the sea. (Isaiah 11:9)

"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord,
every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue
shall confess to God. (Romans 14:11)

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they
break forth into singing. (Isaiah 14:7) All the
earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto
thee; they shall sing to thy name. (Psalms 66:4

-God has spoken it, and He is not one
to go back on His word (Isaiah 55:11)
Jesus taught a spiritual kingdom only. The proof? Try to find one passage in the gospels where Jesus says the kingdom is anything but spiritual.
 
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Jesus taught a spiritual kingdom only. The proof? Try to find one passage in the gospels where Jesus says the kingdom is anything but spiritual.

Where does it say to only read
and follow the red letter words?
Does that mean you only read that part?

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You can believe mans doctrine,
or whatever you want.

Here is some red lettered words.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth
my works unto the end, to him will I give
power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.



I believe [all the bible],
[not just] the red letters in it.

There are more verses in the Old T. of Christs
second coming, then there is of his first.
 
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The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine.


First, MILLENNIUM: MILLENNIUM - JewishEncyclopedia.com
By: Joseph Jacobs, A. Biram

Table of Contents

Messianic Period an Interregnum.

The reign of peace, lasting one thousand years, which will precede the Last Judgment and the future life. The concept has assumed especial importance in the Christian Church, where it is termed also “chiliasm,” designating the dominion of Jesus with the glorified and risen saints over the world for a thousand years. Chiliasm or the idea of the millennium is, nevertheless, older than the Christian Church; for the belief in a period of one thousand years at the end of time as a preliminary to the resurrection of the dead was held in Parseeism. This concept is expressed in Jewish literature in Enoch, xiii., xci. 12-17; in the apocalypse of the ten weeks, in Apoc. Baruch, xl. 3 (“And his dominion shall last forever, until the world doomed to destruction shall perish”); and in II Esdras vii. 28-29. Neither here nor in later Jewish literature is the duration of this Messianic reign fixed. It is clear, however, that the rule of the Messiah was considered as an interregnum, from the fact that in many passages, such as Pes. 68a, Ber. 34b, Sanh. 91b and 99a, Shab. 63a, 113b, and 141b, a distinction is made between and , although it must be noted that some regarded the Messianic rule as the period of the fulfilment of the prophecies, while others saw in it the time of the subjugation of the nations.


So it is no wonder it found its way into the first century Church comprised mainly of Jews.


But in time, the church condemned it as heresy. First, According to the Nicene Creed

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made; Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic* and apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Sproul, R. C. (Ed.). (2015). The Reformation Study Bible: English Standard Version (2015 Edition) (p. 2389). Orlando, FL: Reformation Trust.

And condemned as heresy by the Council of Ephesus in 431 in two ways.


“In addition to its condemnation of Nestorianism, the council also condemned

Pelagianism,[2] and rejected premillennialism (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Papias,

Tertullian, Origen, Lactantius) in favor of amillennialism (Clement of

Alexandria, Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine of Hippo): "Augustine's

explanation became Church doctrine when it was adopted as the definitive

explanation of the millennium by the Council of Ephesus in 431."[35]


Secondly, “Canon 7 condemned any departure from the creed established by the First Council of Nicaea (325)” This affirmed Jesus “shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.” Thereby denouncing premillennialism and the doctrines leading up to and including Dispensationalism of the 1800s.


Retrieved from "Council of Ephesus - Wikipedia"

The Creed isn't wrong in it's statement. What's wrong is that people don't know the Scriptures well enough. The Kingdom doesn't end. However, Christ's reign in the Kingdom does. So, the Creed is correct when it says, 'His Kingdom shall have no end'. It's those who claim that Christ will reign forever that are wrong. Paul tells us clearly that Christ shall reign until all enemies are defeated and then He Himself will hand over the Kingdom to God and Christ will be subject to God. So, Chilaism is correct.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (1 Cor. 15:24-28 KJV)

We can see from this that Christ reigns for a time. According to John that time is 1000 years. In the end, when Christ had defeated all enemies He turns the Kingdom over to the Father and He Himself becomes subject to the Father.
 
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The Creed isn't wrong in it's statement. What's wrong is that people don't know the Scriptures well enough. The Kingdom doesn't end. However, Christ's reign in the Kingdom does. So, the Creed is correct when it says, 'His Kingdom shall have no end'. It's those who claim that Christ will reign forever that are wrong. Paul tells us clearly that Christ shall reign until all enemies are defeated and then He Himself will hand over the Kingdom to God and Christ will be subject to God. So, Chilaism is correct.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (1 Cor. 15:24-28 KJV)

We can see from this that Christ reigns for a time. According to John that time is 1000 years. In the end, when Christ had defeated all enemies He turns the Kingdom over to the Father and He Himself becomes subject to the Father.
Oooops! What happens after Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father? The Creed is not wrong.
 
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Where does it say to only read
and follow the red letter words?
Does that mean you only read that part?

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You can believe mans doctrine,
or whatever you want.

Here is some red lettered words.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth
my works unto the end, to him will I give
power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.



I believe [all the bible],
[not just] the red letters in it.

There are more verses in the Old T. of Christs
second coming, then there is of his first.
But..........
“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” Luke 11:20 (NET)
 
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Oooops! What happens after Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father? The Creed is not wrong.

You'll have to ask God, we aren't told. We are, however, told that Jesus gives the Kingdom to God. I didn't say the Creed was wrong. I said it was correct. What I said is wrong are those that claim Christ reigns forever.
 
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If there's no physical Kingdom then there's nothing for Christians. This Greek idea of men being spirits corrupts so much theology.
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” Luke 17:20–21 (KJV 1900)
 
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You'll have to ask God, we aren't told. We are, however, told that Jesus gives the Kingdom to God. I didn't say the Creed was wrong. I said it was correct. What I said is wrong are those that claim Christ reigns forever.
We are told explicitly. We should not assume something is not true just because we don't know about it.
 
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“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” Luke 17:20–21 (KJV 1900)

That doesn't mean it's a spiritual kingdom.
 
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That doesn't mean it's a spiritual kingdom.
How can it not be?
“When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.” John 6:15 (KJV 1900)
 
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How can it not be?
“When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.” John 6:15 (KJV 1900)

I'm not sure what this passage has to do with it. But, "How can it not be" isn't proof that it is. Were the Pharisees physical people?

41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matt. 21:41-43 KJV)

We see that these Pharisees had the Kingdom of God. Jesus said it would be taken from them. This isn't some spiritual thing.
 
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I'm not sure what this passage has to do with it. But, "How can it not be" isn't proof that it is. Were the Pharisees physical people?

41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matt. 21:41-43 KJV)

We see that these Pharisees had the Kingdom of God. Jesus said it would be taken from them. This isn't some spiritual thing.
Jesus said only the born again can see the kingdom.
 
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